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Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-11-2008
Everybody knows that even in school ukranian pupils are learning nationalist rules. How to stop iT?
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Salomo - 09-11-2008
Give an example, please.
And I bet Russians are learning nationalist feelings too... or, if not already, then at least after the new Putin-ordered book will be in use, see <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10356">http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/arti ... p?id=10356</a><!-- m -->
Btw, remember that Western Ukraine (the old Polish region with Lviv, Tarnopil etc. and I think also Karpato-Ruthenia (Uzgorod) has been under Moscow rule only between 1945 and 1991. Never elsewhere. So Russia is "foreign" to them.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Karl.in.eu - 09-11-2008
Nationalism is prohibted by the moral values of a democratic country. I am not agree with your position
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-12-2008
If europe is against nacism, so why you close your eyes? Why you do nothing to prevent this?
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - mika - 09-12-2008
I have another question, how come, now, when everybody talks about globalization, open borders and equal opportunities for everybody there are so strong nationalistic movements everywhere?
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-12-2008
Yes, everybody talks, but nobody does. Today there are no countries in the world that have really fair and honest governments or presidents.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Eugene from Belarus - 09-12-2008
RusNeko Wrote:Yes, everybody talks, but nobody does. Today there are no countries in the world that have really fair and honest governments or presidents.Venesuella?))
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-12-2008
Hmmm... Venezuela, Nickaragwa.... Maybe, maybe!!!))) yes))
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Karl.in.eu - 09-12-2008
RusNeko Wrote:If europe is against nacism, so why you close your eyes? Why you do nothing to prevent this?
Do you prefer to kill them all like Russia did to Georgia?
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-13-2008
How about genocide of ossetians..
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Lenus - 09-13-2008
:oO
Russians are talking about nacism somewere else??! :nonnon
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Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-13-2008
Why shouldn't we talk about racism? When in estonia they destroy monuments for ww2 heroes - why should we keep silence? O.o
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - SiD - 09-13-2008
We paid most terrible prise to defeat nazi so we can condamn it. USSR lost millions so you can imagine how we feel about nazi feeling heroes in EU countries.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-14-2008
Sorry for offtopic, but... One my friend made a schitalochka.. Only for russians!
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раз - саакашвили дали в глаз. Два- буша свергнула мордва... Next eight verses are aviable if you ask me: its hardcore..)
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Lenus - 09-15-2008
RusNeko Wrote:Why shouldn't we talk about racism? When in estonia they destroy monuments for ww2 heroes - why should we keep silence? O.o
It because you are FULL of Racism and Nazis yourself.
See the VIDEO!
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - RusNeko - 09-15-2008
Yes, there s a lot of nationalists in our country, but that s the contrculture! Most of people are against, and me too.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Lenus - 09-15-2008
RusNeko Wrote:Yes, there s a lot of nationalists in our country, but that s the contrculture! Most of people are against, and me too.
You are full of RASISTS, not just nationalists.
And while you are FULL of Them, you ought to talk about yourself , NOt Estonia... :nonnon
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - SiD - 09-15-2008
Lenus Wrote:You are full of RASISTS, not just nationalists.
And while you are FULL of Them, you ought to talk about yourself , NOt Estonia... :nonnon
Not true. One thing is to have this problem , other thing is nazi heroisation.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Salomo - 09-15-2008
RusNeko Wrote:Why shouldn't we talk about racism? When in estonia they destroy monuments for ww2 heroes - why should we keep silence? O.o
First, that statue In Estonia (about a WW2 hero) was not destroyed, but removed to another place. Who has told it was destroyed?? False information.
Second, why should the independent Estonia glorify a Red Army soldier, who represents the 45 years of Soviet occupation which followed the "liberation", during which many many Estonians were deported to Siberia? Dictatorial occupation by Nazis was followed by dictatorial occupation by USSR. Why honour any of those 2 dictatures??
Third, why do you consider it as Nazism if some people do not like that statue and want to remove it elsewhere? It is not Nazism, you can call it just anti-sovietism.
Fourth, your own nationalists, for example the "Nashi" organisation, they are not contra-culture, but Putin's supporters, a kind of Putin-Jugend.
I think removing the statue from a central place was right.
uper The only thing which was perhaps not so reasonable was the moment for doing it: a short time before the so-called "Victory Day". They should had let it pass and remove it afterwards.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - SiD - 09-15-2008
Salomo Wrote:RusNeko Wrote:Why shouldn't we talk about racism? When in estonia they destroy monuments for ww2 heroes - why should we keep silence? O.o
First, that statue In Estonia (about a WW2 hero) was not destroyed, but removed to another place. Who has told it was destroyed?? False information.
Second, why should the independent Estonia glorify a Red Army soldier, who represents the 45 years of Soviet occupation which followed the "liberation", during which many many Estonians were deported to Siberia? Dictatorial occupation by Nazis was followed by dictatorial occupation by USSR. Why honour any of those 2 dictatures??
Third, why do you consider it as Nazism if some people do not like that statue and want to remove it elsewhere? It is not Nazism, you can call it just anti-sovietism.
Fourth, your own nationalists, for example the "Nashi" organisation, they are not contra-culture, but Putin's supporters, a kind of Putin-Jugend.
I think removing the statue from a central place was right.
Every country can deside what monuments must stand in what place. But if you call peice of sh.... rose it wont make it rose. This was monument for breave people saving world from nazi not monument to ocupation.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Steven - 09-16-2008
Pupils and students in school learn nationalistic rules because many Ukrainians are sick and tired of Russia. However I would say they aim to teach to be a patriot, not nationalist. But, these two definitions are in some way similar.
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - willyoumind - 09-16-2008
Steven was right in this matter, as I have been told by one of my Latvia friend that they learn to be more patriot to their nation country, but will avoid the nacists heroization stuff...
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - M.Helen - 09-18-2008
willyoumind Wrote:Steven was right in this matter, as I have been told by one of my Latvia friend that they learn to be more patriot to their nation country, but will avoid the nacists heroization stuff...It's a pity for Estonia, because it's a really nice developing country. It has implemented so many modern things, does it really carries on a hidden nazzist (as stated in the topic) policy?
Re: Estonia, Latvia, West Ukraine: nacists heroization - Hakan G - 09-26-2008
Steven Wrote:Pupils and students in school learn nationalistic rules because many Ukrainians are sick and tired of Russia. However I would say they aim to teach to be a patriot, not nationalist. But, these two definitions are in some way similar.
Can you tell us how those pupils are being learned those rules? Give us an example.