Frederic Wrote:...
Please give me concrete answers on these concrete questions.

Balkaneese Wrote:

Frederic Wrote:To ALL PRO-Russians on this forum.
I have few concrete questions and I would like to get answers on them:
1. Why does anybody talks here about the events that preceded the conflict.

Because there is always a long and boring story preceding any conflict: Iraq, Kosovo, Lebanon, Baaaznia, etc.

Frederic Wrote:2. Why does any of pro russians here expresses its concern about heavy Georgian civialian casualties?

Huh?

If you meand the concern about civilian casualties, I do express concern for them. BTW, much more civilian casulties were suffered on S. Ossetian side.

Frederic Wrote:3. How it turned out that initaiallly declared number of 2000 civilian casualties in Ossetians decreased to 133(human rights watch confirms only 44)? Do you think it is moral to get into the race of numbers of deaths?

Why did NATO/USA/EU did the same in Baaaznia and Kosovo?

Frederic Wrote:4. Do you know how manu civilians were killed in Chechnia?

Do you know haw many civilians were killed in Yugoslavia?

Frederic Wrote:5.Why Russian troops have not opened humanitarian corridor so far? Don`t you think they are falsificating some facts in Tskhinvali, aiming to use body's of Georgians to increase the number of civilian casualties to initially declared number?

Corridor will be open when it's safe.

Fallacious operations are specialty of NATO/USA/EU. Russkies don't do that.

Frederic Wrote:6. Why did russians used prohibited claster bombs in their attacks on Gori residential districts? (Dutch journalist fall victim of such bomb.)

Perhaps because NATO/USA/EU used them in Baaaaznia against Republika Srpska and in Kosovo against Yugoslavia?

Frederic Wrote:8. Why none of you is concerned over the huge number of Georgian refugees, humanitarian catstrophe in Georgia, absolutely destroyed civilian infrastructure?

Why none of you is concerned over the huge number of efugees, humanitarian catastrophe and absolutely destroyed civilian infrastructure in:
1) Iraq (back in 1990)
2) Republika Srpska Krajina, (now occupied by Croatia)
3) Republika Srpska (now part of Baaaznia)
4) Serbia (incl. Kosovo)
5) Iraq
6) Afghanistan
7) Lebanon

Frederic Wrote:9. Why Russian soldiers are still looting and why did they let in ossetian and north Caucasian militias to rob and kill Georgian civilians?

We don't buy your fairy tales. Russian soldiers don't do that. Volunteers yet may be another story, but Russia did announce she was unable to prevent them entering conflict zone, once Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilain started the war.

Frederic Wrote:10.Don`t you think that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are now absolutely ethnically cleansed regions, where not a single Georgian resides?

So does Kosovo, Republika Srpska Krajina and those parts of Baaznia out of Republika Srpska. All under the auspicies of NATO/USA/EU.

Perhaps Russia is trying to cope with "EU standars"?

Frederic Wrote:11. Why russians are destroying eco system of Georgia, bombing with fire bombs unique bio reserve, which is under fire now and will impose eco catastrophe in the whole region?

Just like in:
1) Iraq (back in 1990)?
2) Republika Srpska Krajina, (now occupied by Croatia)?
3) Republika Srpska (now part of Baaaznia)?
4) Serbia (incl. Kosovo)?
5) Iraq?
6) Afghanistan?
7) Lebanon?
Perhaps Russia is trying to cope with "EU standars"?

Frederic Wrote:12. What is so special about Checnia that they have no right to demand anything and be killed without any justification?

Who told you that? Next time they want to put your brain in a wash-machine, don't let them do that.

Frederic Wrote:13. Don`t you think that the future status of Abkhazia and South Ossetia could be determined only with the participation of all the residents of this regions, including Georgians who fleed out of their homes?

Ooops. But that way Russia would fail to "cope with EU standards" enacted in

1) Republika Srpska Krajina (now occupied by Croatia)
2) Republika Srpska (now part of occupied Baaaznia)
3) Montenegro
4) Kosovo

So, sorry.

Frederic Wrote:14. Don`t you think that the fate of Ossetians is of no concern of Russia and their aim is to control Georgia?

Don't you think that the fate of small peoples of the Balkans is of no concern of NATO/USA/EU and their aim is to control us?

Balkaneese Wrote:

AlexanderBB Wrote:ALL PRo_RUSSIANS GIVE ME AT LEAST ONE EXAMPLE OF STARTING WAR BY GEORGIA OVER LAST 20 CENTURIES!

August 8, 2008, Georgia's Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilains attack on S. Ossetia.

1990, Georgia's Gamsahurdian's attacked S. Ossetia.

AlexanderBB Wrote:And You think someone would bilieve that false?

No. Why would anyone believe it's false when it's true?

AlexanderBB Wrote:The occupation of Ukraine by Russia - 1650s

You forgot to list occupation of Moscow before that

Frederic Wrote:

Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Dear Frederic !
Can you read?

Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Dear Lor!
I’m Russian, and I’m AGREE with George Friedman, so yuu may take all answers in here (if you really needs
them)
Go ahead –
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P.S. I agree with you that well bred and ill-bred people can be found everywhere

Dear Tatiana,
Maybe I am not as smart as you, but I could not find answers to my questions in the article you provided me with. I respect Mr. Friedman`s views but I asked for yours.

Lor Wrote:...

STILL waiting for NORMAL, EXPLICIT ANSWERS.

Balkaneese Wrote:

Lor Wrote:...

STILL waiting for NORMAL, EXPLICIT ANSWERS.

And when you get them and don't like them, you just pretend you didn't hear them?

Why would anyone bother to respond to such an inquirer?

Balkaneese Wrote:

Lor Wrote:...

STILL waiting for NORMAL, EXPLICIT ANSWERS.

And when you get them and don't like them, you just pretend you didn't hear them?

Why would anyone bother to respond to such an inquirer?

SiD Wrote:Lor that is why Putin called fall of Soviet Union a tragedy. It was dismantled with great haste. Becouse everybody was so eager to have tier own piece of pie many problems remained unresolved.
Please imagine that you Russian, you like russian culture you like r. people, language and so on. Your city is part of SU you do not care much becouse all other people are your compatriots, russian, georgians, belarus all. You live with your family happily in city . But suddenly empire is falling appart. You former compatriots are turning out to be people from other country. And you turn out to be not on Soviet but on foreign soil. Your life is here. And that goes for many others. But new government starts thier changes. People are refering to you as to accupant. They say you must become like them or get out. Your language becomes unnoficialy (sometimes officialy) forbiden and so on. Is it good for you?

Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Hello everyone!
Don't we remember:
1)US - Nuclear bombing of Japan
2) US - Korea
3) US - Vietnam
4) US - Yugoslavia
5) US - Afganistan
6) US - Cambodia (overt and covert)
7) US - Lebanon (twice)
(8) US - Panama
(9) US - Guatemala (covert)
(10) US - Nicaragua (covert)
(11) US - Chile (covert)
(12) US - Colombia (covert)
(13) US - Cuba (semi-covert and continuing)
(14) US - San Salvador (covert)
(15) US - Venezuela (covert)
(16) US - Haiti
(17) US - Grenada
(18) US - Iran (twice–covert and overt)
(19) US - Philippines (covert)
(20) US - Laos (overt and covert)
(21) US - Iraq 2003
(22) US - …………………………………
And I guess quite few of US “Police operatons” resulted in 100s or 1000s of civilians killed.
Quite possible we feel the miss of WW3??????

Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Dear Frederic!
I can answer to you last question, sorry, I have enought brain but don't have spare time to answer all of them (like all ordinary people of the World, I'm too busy)
"13. Don`t you think that the future status of Abkhazia and South Ossetia could be determined only with the participation of all the residents of this regions, including Georgians who fleed out of their homes?
Please give me concrete answers on these concrete questions.13. Don`t you think that the future status of Abkhazia and South Ossetia could be determined only with the participation of all the residents of this regions, including Georgians who fleed out of their homes?
Please give me concrete answers on these concrete questions."
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I'm not a politician. so it's more important what THEY thinking......
"NATO membership now far away

The former chancellor, who was a close friend while of then Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin during his seven years in office, said Georgia's bid for NATO membership was now further off than before.
"Imagine that we had been forced into military action on the side of Georgia as a NATO member, on the side of an obvious gambler, as one must describe Saakashvili," Schroeder said.
"I don't believe Russia is pursuing a policy of annexation and I also don't believe that there will be a return to the previous status quo for South Ossetia and Abkhazia," Schroeder said, referring to the separatist Georgian regions. "That is out of the question."
Georgia and Ukraine, which is also seeking membership of the US-led Western alliance, had to resolve their internal difficulties first, he told Der Spiegel."

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Don't worry, I'm leaving by now

SVP Wrote:The only thing I realized, Pavel Felgengauer earned lots of money. Hard currency. Heh. For your information: Russian troops are ALWAYS ready in the Caucasus. You guys in the west try to understand Russian politics in Caucasus, but you know nothing about Russia, and absolutely nothing about Caucasus, while we (Russia and Caucasus) know everything about each other. Do you believe mentality exist? Do you believe mentalities differ like black and white? You gave a grenade to a monkey, even to a baby monkey, who started playing with it immediately. Do you trust in it that traditions (especially in the Caucasus) are still alive and much stronger than you think? Are you aware ov vendetta tradition which will live forever in the Caucasus? To understand what's happening in the Caucasus, you must live there for several years, just to find out in the end, that you're a stranger at this fiesta of life, with your western visions of how it should be :-) About Pavel Felgengauer - this is a bright example of a biased journalist, who is ALWAYS agains Russia, its authorities, its people etc. Against by default. That's why what he is writing is bullshit, because he was not there, in the epicentre, he was sitting in Moscow, drinking whisky in comfort, and earning his blood money. I respect other journalists - WHO WERE THERE, not matter, on which side. And, there are thousands of these anti-Russian journalists here, in Russia. They exist peacefully, wrire their bullshit, wash people's brains, and nobody sends them to Siberia for that, by the way, as someone said above (you have outdated info). Solzhenitsin returned to New Russia, today's Russia. Politkovskaya was killed by your beloved Chechens.

SVP Wrote:To IamGEORGIA:

You're a funny Georgian. That's exatly what I said - people in the Caucasus are absolutely different from those in the North - that is Russians, Germans, English, Norwegians etc. When somebody tells me that I don't know the real truth but he OF COURSE knows the very very real truth, I dunno what to say :-) Because such people offer no evidence, no 100% proofs, they just say I'm wrong. So, OK, I'm wrong :-) And, I emphasize once again - peoples of the world, if you hear some Georgian say something - trust him with no hesitation. First - Georgians know all the truth, and second - they never lie :-) But I'm a Russian, and you know you cannot trust me :-) End of discussion.

But, seriously, Russia is full of these felgenhauers (by the way, he's not a Russian expert, he's a Jewish expert, to be more presise, though, there are Russian experts of Jewish origin whom I respect), and as I said, and it is the fact - that they work freely here, nobody arrests them, or shuts their mouths down.

And, also seriously, the Caucases is the problem not only for Russians, but also for the Caucases itself, and now - for the whole world. You won't deny, that, for example, in between the two Chechen campaigns, Chechnya which enjoyed actual, de facto independence for 3 years, wasn't leading a peaceful life. Thousands of hostages were taken, not only from the nearby Russian regions, but from Chechnya itself - Chechens took Chechens hostages! And sold them to relatives for money, no money - no honey, please receive first fingers, then head. Several western engineers who came to Chechnya to recover the country, were captured and decapitated. hen they invaded Dagestan. The sharia rules - people were shot in market squares with the crowd enjoying. Etc, etc. By the way, Georgia was welcoming the "guerillas" on its territory. Russia's enemy is our friend :-) And whatever you say, Putin did not start that war (1994-1996). But he ended it (1999-2002). What I mean, is that absolute majority of Chechens live peacefully now. Aquaparks are opened, gala concerts take place, etc. Moscow Institutes have special quotas for the Chechnya students (I mean, no entrance exams). The war is over. And, by the way, the Chechen fighters, which (I agree) are the best in the world, were among the Russian troops that your so called army (beatifully decorated with NATO uniform ribbons and flowers) ran away from, in panic, leaving their guns, courage and dignity far beyond. Hope, you won't deny at least, this fact :-) Because CNN showed it, not Russian TV.

About what other world says. It says different things, absolutely different (I gave links previously). Some just repeat the propaganda from your biased TV and other mass media. Others think themselves, and they see the truth, what happens worldwide. They are not necessarily in love with Russia, they may even hate it, but they see the global scale events. Thus, I study and read and listen and view all sources, absolutely. But, sorry, the whole world cannot know better than than Russians, Ossetians and Georgians. If we take all these three truths, we'll get the final truth. I support Medvedev-Putin not because they are the Russian President and PM, and I don't support them in all cases. I support, bacause I really agree in this case. There were other Russian presidents - Gorby and Yeltsin. I tell you - those were shitheads, and criminals, with their hands in blood, plus, both were stupid. But why can't you agree that Saakashvili is a shithead too, that his hands are in blood too - blood of Ossetians and the Georgians, and tens of the Russian peacekeepers, whom he attacked at night? He's mentally challenged, these are not only my words, many in the west admit this. Running away from own jets, speaking to Georgians in English, eating his tie publicly. I have never seen a more pitiful sight than your president, actually. That's not a man, not a real Caucasian man, most of whom are tough and cruel, but not cowards like him. I'm sure, even in the same situation - Georgia wants to join NATO and hates Russia as much as it can, nothing would happen, if there was some really smart man (or better a woman, like Burdzhanadze) instead of the psycho as Georgian President, there would be no conflict at all, not speaking of war. He shitted on the shahshlyk of Georgia, sorry.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:My friend,
maybe i misunderstood in some point..sorry for that..
Now..First of all i wanna disagree about Caucasus..caucasus can not be problem for caucasus...historicalyy people in our mountains were brothers, had traditions, relationships and were living together before russia started spoiling water..

IamGEORGIA Wrote:You mentioned Chechnnya...If russia had right to claim thet Chechnya was the part of russian feederatin, adn their independence was de-facto, why could not georgia decide what to do with its ouw part?Its very logical..

IamGEORGIA Wrote:If you say that Chechens wanted to live with russia, it wont be very true..You know that most of them fighted for the independence, started from thei first president Djokhar Dudaev..But russian killed, made ethnic cleanse of that warior nation, and then re-captured it...

IamGEORGIA Wrote:If you say that Ossetioan or Abkhazians want to live with russia, it also wont be very truth..Because 300 000 from Abkhazia and 100 000 from Ossetia are refugees and are displaced by wars...So let them back on their own teritorym and then ask them with whom they want to live..this would be fair..

IamGEORGIA Wrote:The next point is our army..yes some treator chechens fight among your occupants..
but it was chechnya who was helping us in 92-94 in wars, and helped our president to hide from russian tanks..(there were also some terorists who were playing football with heads of georgian soldiers in Sukhumi)

IamGEORGIA Wrote:Im sure all your mass media is talking now how great victory russian army had in Tskinvali few days ago..
Yes you really did it...but only after you started air attack..before that our army destroyed many of peacekeepers...its fact..(even some russian soldiers today and yesterday, were shouting to georgian media "pachemu miratvorcev ubili v Tskinvali..tam staialatisicha i tisicha"..they are angry, because loses among russian troops were huge..your official would not say this of course..

IamGEORGIA Wrote:I breifly explain what happened there..When we took Tskinvali, our troops decided to leave it, because russia started bobing whole country, not only conflict zone..they left the regions immediately and dissapeared..alsoe dissapeared our military equipment..of course some of them were left on their way, but most of them are in safe place.as well as our army...our army did their job..now its turn for international peacekeepers..and then we will gain control over both regions..

IamGEORGIA Wrote:P.S. the thing, that you feel like this about our president, makes me think, that he is the right man for our country...every time russian official or whoever say something against hi, he is becoming more and more popular...

SVP Wrote:

IamGEORGIA Wrote:My friend,
maybe i misunderstood in some point..sorry for that..
Now..First of all i wanna disagree about Caucasus..caucasus can not be problem for caucasus...historicalyy people in our mountains were brothers, had traditions, relationships and were living together before russia started spoiling water..

Funny again. Of course, those Russians spoiled the whole thing. Before Russia you were angels, afterwards started throatcutting each other :-) I repeat - there are tons of problems in the Caucasus. All the Russian Caucasus Republics are heavily subsidized (and there's a saying 'the richest people live in the poorest regions of Caucasus). Russia does not have any profits from the regions. I, personally, would grant independence to everybody who wants it, to every village. But there will be chaos and bloodshed. By the way, just imagine, what would happen if US stops paying Georgia its billions of dollars? What would you do? What do you produce? In the USSR I have never seen a product marked "Made in Georgia", except tea (which was disgusting, really, dusty) and wine. Wine is not bad, but I prefer Italian and French wine, which is better to me, and way cheaper(!) by the way. Your only hope is the US money - for the NATO bases which will be placed in Georgia, for the loyalty, for the army, for providing the US dominance in the region.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:You mentioned Chechnnya...If russia had right to claim thet Chechnya was the part of russian feederatin, adn their independence was de-facto, why could not georgia decide what to do with its ouw part?Its very logical..

Yes, Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation, and things there are much much better now than in the 1990's - you cannot deny it. This is always a very complex question. One the one hand, territorial integrity of a state, on the other hand - the wish and right of the people to rule their own fate. If 100% of the people of the republic say WE WANT INDEPENDENCE, we DO NOT WANT TO LIVE WITH YOU, how can you reconvince them? Definitely not by force, you agree? You can only kill by force. So, this situation lasted for years, without status, but at least without war. The fire started after Kosovo was recognized, the separatist movement there was supported by your main ally - the US, who recognized its independence first. Russia warned - don't do it, because if we accept this standard, we'll have to apply it everywhere. Russia was ignored. Then Ossetians and Abkhazians asked the world - why Kosovo can, we - can't? The world said nothing - just ignored. So this is a puzzle - why one and the same country - the US - recognize one country and ignores another? Double standards. I don't like this world.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:If you say that Chechens wanted to live with russia, it wont be very true..You know that most of them fighted for the independence, started from thei first president Djokhar Dudaev..But russian killed, made ethnic cleanse of that warior nation, and then re-captured it...

Wrong. You cannot capture Chechnya. Nobody can - because of the Chechen warriors (sorry, they are not Georgians). You can only completely destroy it, that is by genocide. If there was such an objective - trust me - it would have been done. You must use the combination of methods to get Chechnya back to Russia. Fighting the mad ones, and offering a deal to reasonable guys. Deal - not money in an envelope (which I don't exclude), but things Chechens really wanted and asked for. They got what they asked for. We got stability. And continue to pay for this stability. I repeat - if the majority of the Chechens did not decide for themselves, that it's more profitable for them to be with Russia than without - nobody could have got them back.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:If you say that Ossetioan or Abkhazians want to live with russia, it also wont be very truth..Because 300 000 from Abkhazia and 100 000 from Ossetia are refugees and are displaced by wars...So let them back on their own teritorym and then ask them with whom they want to live..this would be fair..

The problem is it's not me, who says that :-) It's not even Russian TV. It's Ossetians and Abkhazians. You call them bandits, I would agree there are some 5-10% of all the fighters (not of the population, I mean men with guns) who can be called bandits (it's Caucasus, after all). But not all the population. You mean 300000 plus 100000 Georgian refugees from the two republics? Why spend time asking them? We know the answer of the Georgians :-) You ask Abkhazians and Ossetians, and 99% if not 100% would tell you they do not want to be with Georgia definitely. Who would listen to the Russians living in Chechnya - of course they would be for Russia. You must ask Chechens. So, what would be fair - to ask Abkhazians and Ossetians, and do whatever they wish. If they say - we want Georgia, fuck Russia, I will accept this easily. If my country will still "spoil the water" after that, I will protest and change my mind about my country's leaders.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:The next point is our army..yes some treator chechens fight among your occupants..
but it was chechnya who was helping us in 92-94 in wars, and helped our president to hide from russian tanks..(there were also some terorists who were playing football with heads of georgian soldiers in Sukhumi)

Those were other Chechens, their heads are rotting somewhere. Actually, we're not occupants. You just don't know what is occupation. It's when the foreign army comes to your land and takes it under full control. Occupation troops control everything - the civil life, the courts, they apply their own laws, and cancel all the local laws, etc. Russia never wanted to occupy Georgia, again - if there was such an objective - Russia would easily do it. Trust me. Us would not start a WWIII because of you. We all know that. Military targets were destroyed. Of course, there were civilian casualties, like in any war, even with hi precision weapons. I'm very sorry for that, sincerely. Because I know, that civilians are innocent victims, and everybody can become such a victim. But thank you president - if you start a war - be ready to die. The problem is, Saakashvili is not ready to die at all. Not him. Not in this life :-) But he's willingly sacrificing his people. By the way, I'm not sure that you know - because Russian info sources are blocked in Georgia - do you know that tens of Georgian soldiers are still rotting around Tshinvali? The Ossetian side asked Saakashvili to take his soldiers back to there moms. No reply. He does not need them anymore. So, the soldiers were finally buried by the Ossetians.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:Im sure all your mass media is talking now how great victory russian army had in Tskinvali few days ago..
Yes you really did it...but only after you started air attack..before that our army destroyed many of peacekeepers...its fact..(even some russian soldiers today and yesterday, were shouting to georgian media "pachemu miratvorcev ubili v Tskinvali..tam staialatisicha i tisicha"..they are angry, because loses among russian troops were huge..your official would not say this of course..

I'm glad you confirm the fact that Russian peacekeepers were intentionally killed by Georgian troops. And yes, there was complete silence for several hours before the Georgian assault. This is confirmed by all sources, including anti-Kremlin ones. There was silence, because the Georgians (Yakobashvili came to Tshinvali on August 7 for talks) promised complete cease fire until next day, 1 pm. When talks had to be continued. The Russian army was in Russia at this time, it would come almost in 24 hours after your assault. I'll describe the start of the war in more detail later. About our casualties - there are official lists, there are 64 dead and around 400 wounded. If you repeat your presidents bullshit about some thousands of killed Russians, you'll look funny again. How this can be kept secret in Russia? We have thousands of your friends among journalists, they would bring this to the public immediately, because you can hide figures, but you cannot hide hundreds or thousands of zink coffins, and you cannot hide the boys' mothers. I know you want thousands Russian in a dead condition, but sorry....

IamGEORGIA Wrote:I breifly explain what happened there..When we took Tskinvali, our troops decided to leave it, because russia started bobing whole country, not only conflict zone..they left the regions immediately and dissapeared..alsoe dissapeared our military equipment..of course some of them were left on their way, but most of them are in safe place.as well as our army...our army did their job..now its turn for international peacekeepers..and then we will gain control over both regions..

You never took Tshinvali completely, because if you had taken it, there would be no Ossetians alive - that was the purpose of the mission. "Clean Field" - that was the name of the operation, if I'm not mistaken? Scorched Earth is closer. Or you want to say, that after having killed half of the Ossetians (Grads were used for that purpose), you would come the survivors, ask them if they want to be with Georgia and they would gladly say YES?

Of course, we used aviation, like the Georgians. The sky above Tshinvali was all yours before our guys came. This story about "our Army decided to play hide-and-seek" with the Russians. It is true. They got hidden so well, that even Supreme Commander In Chief of the Georgian ARmed Forces could not find it. It's not my fantasy. I saw it on CNN. The CNN talking head was asking Saakashvili - where is his Army, he angrily replied - I dunno, I dunno nothing. Then somebody saw tanks approaching Tbilisi - Russians, Russians! But that was part of your Army, that got lost :-) You definitely cannot call that running of Georgian Army a retreat, a maneuver. That, according to CNN again (!) I heard this with my own ears, was a stampede, panic flight, the morals being very low. The military were the first to run, then police and city authorities - next. The running military were shouting to civilians to get away too. I wonder - what is Georgian Army paid for? Isn't it their duty to die for the mortherland while fighting the aggressor? Defenfders :-)

IamGEORGIA Wrote:P.S. the thing, that you feel like this about our president, makes me think, that he is the right man for our country...every time russian official or whoever say something against hi, he is becoming more and more popular...

That is what I said. No matter what Saakashvili does, he's against Russia - that means he's our man! He he. I hope very much, that Medvedev really won't ever talk to Saakashvili or shake his hand. If he does, I'll be very upset. That means no normalisation is possible between Russia and Georgia. That means tension. Which nobody wants, including US and Europe. Normal people resign after such fiascos, people of honor shoot themselves. But it's not about your president. I think, the US and Saakashvili itself will insist at his staying in power, though it is another trap for Georgia, but he does not seem to care much about it.

SiD Wrote:Yah we in Russia do not know true, it is hidden in the box and box has 99 locks and hanged on the highest tree :lol: . Of course we do not know how Saakashvili downed hundred planes shoting lightning from his ass and how he crushed tousand tanks with his eybrow.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:wow what sense of humor :lol:
was it joke?