SiD Wrote:

IamGEORGIA Wrote:wow what sense of humor :lol:
was it joke?

No that was naked georgian truth.

IamGEORGIA Wrote:was it?
wow
that means our president really can dawn russien jets with lighting from a..?
Than you should be really careful, mate.. uper

IamGEORGIA Wrote:6. yes..in georgia from this time, that politician will be president, who will be anti russian, and pro west...
People never will choose pro russian government any more..we had made such mistakes several times, we had trusted russia for several times... So be calm, take care, and think about your next new president, old Putin..

Lenus Wrote:http://vilochka.com/

SVP Wrote:

IamGEORGIA Wrote:6. yes..in georgia from this time, that politician will be president, who will be anti russian, and pro west...
People never will choose pro russian government any more..we had made such mistakes several times, we had trusted russia for several times... So be calm, take care, and think about your next new president, old Putin..

Aren't you tired of being funny, my little historian? :-) I was laughing rolling on the floor - tell me, WHEN GEORGIA HAD A PRO-RUSSIAN PRESIDENT? Gamsakhurdia, Shevardnadze, Saakashvili? :-) Georgia has never had and does not have and will never have anything pro-russian, especially presidents. Even your opposition is anti-Russian. We have no illusions. By the way, being Pro-West does not mean being anti-Russian. Not all the western countries and their populations are anti-Russian. I am personally, pro-West, in terms of many-many aspects.

I'll not reply to your post any more, because it's a loss of time. You never agree with your opponent (which is abnormal, because in discussion people normally disagree with something but agree with other things, otherwise this is not discussion but just a stubborn repeating of propaganda on both ends), you insist that only you know history, only you know real truth, and etc. This looks childish. Grow up first, then we'll talk.

SVP Wrote:

Lenus Wrote:http://vilochka.com/

I bothered to follow the link and view. He, he, is that ALL they could dig on Russians looting? Not much: one fork and one bycicle - this goes to Russians. Other episodes different - two do not have anything in common with looting - one of them showing soldiers checking georgian men's shoulders, if there are signs of the gun (you must take off your t-shirt for this), the other shows capturing military vehicles from port, which is not denied by the Russian authorities. The rest clips - about Ossetians, not Russians. All armies looted at all times, including highly civilized Germans (sent railcars of art pieces and jewellry from Russia to Germany) and Americans (they sent parcels with German and Russian gems to America), not speaking of us, underdeveloped. But nevertheless, my opinion is that looters must be tried and sentenced to death.

But it's good the clips are online. They definitely show, that there is no Russian occupation. See for yourself. Occupants would just shot down all these annoying people with cameras and questions.

Lor Wrote:Now you said-

"But suddenly empire is falling apart. You former compatriots are turning out to be people from other country. And you turn out to be not on Soviet but on foreign soil".

..........So as the saying goes- "start liking or start packing".

Lor Wrote:PS. Sorry i didn't get this one??? - " How many millions? million more million less, you do not care? "
Maybe this will clear up

SiD Wrote:Lor do you know what word slave means? So do not throw it lightly.

Lor Wrote:Now you said-

"But suddenly empire is falling apart. You former compatriots are turning out to be people from other country. And you turn out to be not on Soviet but on foreign soil".

..........So as the saying goes- "start liking or start packing".

It is certainly bright and shiny example of tolerance and humanism. Progressive position from progressive people. I think it was told by collonists to native Americans when they expanded to thier soil.

Lor Wrote:PS. Sorry i didn't get this one??? - " How many millions? million more million less, you do not care? "
Maybe this will clear up

What i meant that you write about millions good people killed in Russia. How many? 1,2,10 millions? Or it doesnt matter to you? You trow word millions so lightly like you speak about insects.

So i suggest you to follow your own advice.

Lor Wrote:So as I see you Agreed with this one -"Creation of USSR it's creation of biggest Imprisonment of nations" and with whole melting-pod failure - good.

SiD Wrote:Lor do you know what word slave means? So do not throw it lightly.

Lor Wrote:Lets review -
Ukrainians in Canada, not trying to Ukranize Canada. They live respecting the Low but praising home culture.
But they are forced to write official documents in English, watch movies in English and stay home enjoying national Canadian Holidays. - OK, no problems.

Answer is simple, if you are true and you don't agree with country low - apply to RF passport and move back to Russia.

SiD Wrote:

Lor Wrote:So as I see you Agreed with this one -"Creation of USSR it's creation of biggest Imprisonment of nations" and with whole melting-pod failure - good.

Am i said that?

SiD Wrote:Lor do you know what word slave means? So do not throw it lightly.

I said that!!! so think please why have i said that.

Lor Wrote:Lets review -
Ukrainians in Canada, not trying to Ukranize Canada. They live respecting the Low but praising home culture.
But they are forced to write official documents in English, watch movies in English and stay home enjoying national Canadian Holidays. - OK, no problems.

Answer is simple, if you are true and you don't agree with country low - apply to RF passport and move back to Russia.

Cool attitude. You REALY GREAT HUMANIST AND FIGHTER FOR RIGHTS OF MINORITIES!
Wenn terrorysing of minorities becomes official policy you do not concerned but if they DARE to oppose misstreatment you ready to bite them. Parhaps you are aiming for Nebel premium in humanism? You certainly have all chances to recieve some kind of revard from nationalistick opressors of minorities.

I do not think you so bad you just lie to yourself and call yourself objective. Sory you SOUND RUSOPHOBIC!!!
I know that you saing that you dont but you REALY sound so.
Parhaps new voting is in order? question: Do lor realy sound Rusophobic? .

Lor Wrote:Lets see if it's gonna fit the frame - Slavery is a social-economic system under which certain persons are deprived of personal freedom and compelled to work.

Lor Wrote:AND YES -
Western - "start liking or start packing" is more HUMAN than Russian- "start liking or I'll Kill you" !

Quote:Russian- "start liking or I'll Kill you"

Quote:AND YES -
Western - "start liking or start packing"

SiD Wrote:

Lor Wrote:Lets see if it's gonna fit the frame - Slavery is a social-economic system under which certain persons are deprived of personal freedom and compelled to work.

you can call slave living tool. Slave can be mistreated in every manner possible, killed sold all kinds of anything without any punishment becouse some person owns them, like car, or TV or enything.
If pollitical system is oppressive it doesnt mean that its people are slaves. Of course to justify hatred for such country all kind of lies and exagerations could be spread.

Lor Wrote:AND YES -
Western - "start liking or start packing" is more HUMAN than Russian- "start liking or I'll Kill you" !

So you finaly admitted it. Good.

Quote:Russian- "start liking or I'll Kill you"

interesting statment. Please learn more about Russia before say such nonsense.

By the way

Quote:AND YES -
Western - "start liking or start packing"

from that it isnt far to : Do not like government? start liking or start paking, or to your immaginary russian "start liking or I'll Kill you".

Lor Wrote:..........Word "Enslaving" is the Key - it wasn't Asked or motivated others to join, it was Told.

Lor Wrote:Hmmmm - so you saying because i didn't gave you "EXACT" number of people that been sent to Siberia or killed because of a different point of view or Expelled in my post i think of Russians as insects.? Strange Logic.
Or you need an exact number in order to be sad of a tragedy??? Twisted !!!

Lor Wrote:Ohhh i see you took a special interest in this one...
"start liking or I'll Kill you" - it's absolutely Russian way to deal with people.

SiD Wrote:

Lor Wrote:..........Word "Enslaving" is the Key - it wasn't Asked or motivated others to join, it was Told.

If you not motivated but told it is called order. Or every soldier must be motivated to move his a....

Lor Wrote:Hmmmm - so you saying because i didn't gave you "EXACT" number of people that been sent to Siberia or killed because of a different point of view or Expelled in my post i think of Russians as insects.? Strange Logic.
Or you need an exact number in order to be sad of a tragedy??? Twisted !!!

To be sad i need only 1 person to be ujustly killed or sent to siberia.

You have very interesting view on people tragedies. Can you imagine million people sent to siberia? QuiteHUGE crowd. But you do not care it is 1 million 100 tousands or 10 millions. Is it small diference between 1 million or 10 millions? 9 million people more or less. That is realy TWISTED!!!!!

Lor Wrote:SU enslaved smaller nations and their territory's

Lor Wrote:Only Russia had more than one person killed, number beyond tenths of millions....and still counting.
As a good example of ... "start liking or I'll Kill you" ....

SVP Wrote:

Lor Wrote:Only (I didn't mean only as in UNIQUE, you took this out of a context)Russia had more than one person killed, number beyond tenths of millions....and still counting.
As a good example of ... "start liking or I'll Kill you" ....

There's one mistake, or even substitution of concepts. Intentional? Please, understand, Russia was different at different times. Once it was just a group of separate principalities, helpless in front of challenges from the east, west, north and south. Invaded by mongols, swedes, and - don't forget about Polish occupation of Moscow? And many many more examples. Then Russia turned into an empire. Then there was a so-called Revolution. Then there was Soviet Union, and those millions of people you're talking about, were killed in the Soviet Era, namely, the Georgian government era - Stalin's. And all main decisions were taken by non-Russian guys. Tell me, if today's Germany is the same as the Third Reich? And should I, when in dispute with some German person, tell him - you, the Germans, killed millions of Russians, so shut up? This is stupid. Today's Russians have nothing to do with Stalin's crimes, and I'll tell you more - almost every Russian family, including mine, has relatives who were killed by that regime. So, how can you say: Russians killed millions of people? In recent history, there was Gorbachev's Russia, Yeltsin's Russia and Putin's Russia. These are three different countries. For what is happening now, from the 'Russian' side Gorbie and Yeltsin are responsible. Because they were not smart enough, in fact, they were just stupid communists, and used methods they knew. Disintegration of the Soviet Union was inevitable, and I, personally, was for this disintegration ( because you cannot make somebody love you, and if there's no love - time for divorce). But this was to be done not so rapidly, more thinking involved, because first hot problematiuc issues had to be resolved, all papers signed, about borders, no claims, etc. Nothing was done. And the problematic issues started to blossom with blood very soon. In the Soviet Union there was no Russian government, there was multi-national government, which acted against Russian interests in many cases (not speaking of that it killed Russians), like the Crimea problem. Khrushev just gave this Russian territory to the Ukraine, because he was from the Ukraine. And he did it against any existing law. Because, according to law, such issues must be solved by the people (referendum). But what is most sad - not long ago, the Communist regime was being accused of all bad things. Now nobody talks about communist regime, everybody talks about Russians. This smells of neonazism and anti-Russian hysteria. I won't make long lists of wars your countries conducted, and bad behavior of your leaders. You know by yourselves, that there was Roman Empire, British empire, German Empire, French Empire. Just look at the map of the world - all the world speaks European languages - those were your colonies. And I won't remind you, how you treated your "aborigenes" colonists in India, Africa, America. The lists of wars in Europe is a very long one. It's good to know the past, but let's concentrate on the present and future. By the way, where are you from?

SVP Wrote:

Lor Wrote:Only Russia had more than one person killed, number beyond tenths of millions....and still counting.
As a good example of ... "start liking or I'll Kill you" ....

There's one mistake, or even substitution of concepts. Intentional? Please, understand, Russia was different at different times. Once it was just a group of separate principalities, helpless in front of challenges from the east, west, north and south. Invaded by mongols, swedes, and - don't forget about Polish occupation of Moscow? And many many more examples. Then Russia turned into an empire. Then there was a so-called Revolution. Then there was Soviet Union, and those millions of people you're talking about, were killed in the Soviet Era, namely, the Georgian government era - Stalin's. And all main decisions were taken by non-Russian guys. Tell me, if today's Germany is the same as the Third Reich? And should I, when in dispute with some German person, tell him - you, the Germans, killed millions of Russians, so shut up? This is stupid. Today's Russians have nothing to do with Stalin's crimes, and I'll tell you more - almost every Russian family, including mine, has relatives who were killed by that regime. So, how can you say: Russians killed millions of people? In recent history, there was Gorbachev's Russia, Yeltsin's Russia and Putin's Russia. These are three different countries. For what is happening now, from the 'Russian' side Gorbie and Yeltsin are responsible. Because they were not smart enough, in fact, they were just stupid communists, and used methods they knew. Disintegration of the Soviet Union was inevitable, and I, personally, was for this disintegration ( because you cannot make somebody love you, and if there's no love - time for divorce). But this was to be done not so rapidly, more thinking involved, because first hot problematiuc issues had to be resolved, all papers signed, about borders, no claims, etc. Nothing was done. And the problematic issues started to blossom with blood very soon. In the Soviet Union there was no Russian government, there was multi-national government, which acted against Russian interests in many cases (not speaking of that it killed Russians), like the Crimea problem. Khrushev just gave this Russian territory to the Ukraine, because he was from the Ukraine. And he did it against any existing law. Because, according to law, such issues must be solved by the people (referendum). But what is most sad - not long ago, the Communist regime was being accused of all bad things. Now nobody talks about communist regime, everybody talks about Russians. This smells of neonazism and anti-Russian hysteria. I won't make long lists of wars your countries conducted, and bad behavior of your leaders. You know by yourselves, that there was Roman Empire, British empire, German Empire, French Empire. Just look at the map of the world - all the world speaks European languages - those were your colonies. And I won't remind you, how you treated your "aborigenes" in India, Africa, America. The lists of wars in Europe is a very long one. It's good to know the past, but let's concentrate on the present and future. By the way, where are you from?

chena Wrote:My point of view is that Stalin had no nationality he was truly soviet and much more Russian than georgian.

I lived in Soviet Union and frankly cant remember Soviet Goverenment being so much international (maybe couple cases).

SVP Wrote:Lor, I'll reply to your statements and some other questions too, I hope. My article grows huge, but I have to work too, that's why not so fast. Meanwhile, please comment government level support and praise of SS legion fighters in some of the EU members :-) I know about Germany - it's not possible there,not only marches are forbidden, but symbols, books, etc. I have a lot of friends in Germany, both East and West. Though there are neo-nazis, and some people think nazi, but secretly :-)