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Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - IamGEORGIA - 08-13-2008
there are several desinformation here:
First of all, many of you do not know Georgian hystory and hystory of civilisation of Europe.
Originally osetians came in this region in the mid ages, when they were running from mongolians in Caucasus region..these osetionas settle down in the part of Georgian principality of Samachablo (Machabeli is a georgian Surname)..After that most of them became Chrisitians because of influence of Christian orthodox Georgia and Byzantie.
Soon this teritory was named Samachablo ..
In 1801 year when russia occupied Kingdom of Georgia, they occupied Samachablo as well...
Between 1801 and 1920 year there was made specialy north osetia , where ethinc Alans are living...
In 1921 Soviet red Army invaded Georgia..
They anounced South osetian autonomy..During 70 Years russina KGB worked hard to ensure osetians that they should be independent..
In 1990-1993 , when USSR clashes, and georgia became independent, south osetia anounced that they are independent as well..georgian troops entered the region but again with russian military help georgian army get back..along this Abkhazia announced its independence as well...I will talk about abkhazia later as well..
during 1993-2008 there is separatist regime backed by russians..separatist troops are killing georgian civilians, soldiers, etc. They are backed by Russin top government, they give them military equipment, russian peacemakers do not do their job, and just helped separatists and support them in their ilegal activities...Geogria could not do anything, because we have lot of other problems here..
In 2003 rose Revolution happened..and after that begun some activites to resolve conflict..
We offered South Ossetia Broad Autonomy In Georgia, with thei de-facto president in one of the top places in the government..Broad, free economic zone, and lot of other kind of special offers.
They rejected under pressure of Russian politikcal establishment..
in 2008 they started acts of provocation, bombing peaceful residents of that region, ethnic georgians
Isn it Ethnic Cleanse?
After 3 day, our governemnt decides to open fire as well and finally take under control the region, get back Saouth Osetia (Samachablo) under the Goergina Jurisprudence, and clean the region from the terorists separatists..
in the fisrt 2 days they did it very well..they get to the most north point of the region, an only one tunnel was left..But here Russia begin its actions and started bombing other parts of georgian teritory..They opened lots of other fronts..Georgia of course was unable to fight in 5 or more places and our tropps get back to the capital..
before the war started , 10 day earlier residents of Tskinvali left the city?Why?
Answer is simple: they knew that russia and osetioan separatists were preaparing provocation..
During war, Russia could mobilize 1200 tanks and 10 000 soldiers in one hour!!!
How can it be done, if it not specialy preapred..
After that they started bombing peaceful people in all big cities whch are out of conflict..Not bases only, they are bombinh houses, schools, hospitals!!!, red cross headquarters!!! etc..and all time killing only georgian..
Today they bombed bus in Gori, lots of people are dies..
Yesterday theu Bombed Central Squere of gori..Is it military base?
And after that who is makin ethnic cleanse in georgia???
p.s. all u are speaking about osetia, georgian teritory, and forget to anything about chechnia..actions there are Crime Againts Humanity..
About abkhazia later...
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - freevoice - 08-13-2008
aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?What is a dunky?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
And did you know that most people in New York,many of them rich people use the "metro", it is not some kind of state-run program for tramps and the homeless. It is fast, efficient, (at least in Russia) and avoids massive trafic jams.
All this goes to show that you are clueless regarding the situation of the world today. You still think Russia of as a place which it was in the 90's.
Finally, this is not a forum to show off your private posessions. This is where important issues are being discussed, not who has the best house. Please stay inside the topic.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - SiD - 08-13-2008
aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
You right you can give garbage tongued idiot lable BURGOISS but he will remain idiot just the same. Who do you want to impress?! You do not respect yourself not to mantion others. You right in one thing: no one can compete with you in idiocy.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
freevoice Wrote:aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?What is a dunky?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
And did you know that most people in New York,many of them rich people use the "metro", it is not some kind of state-run program for tramps and the homeless. It is fast, efficient, (at least in Russia) and avoids massive trafic jams.
All this goes to show that you are clueless regarding the situation of the world today. You still think Russia of as a place which it was in the 90's.
Finally, this is not a forum to show off your private posessions. This is where important issues are being discussed, not who has the best house. Please stay inside the topic.
No, no, I disagree with you on that. The posts of this perfect American dork here show brilliantly what are the opinions and world views that fill the heads of the mob in the West. It also shows the true level of teir intelligence. If most of them are this blind and stupid, we will overdo them in the nearest future.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
freevoice Wrote:aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?What is a dunky?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
And did you know that most people in New York,many of them rich people use the "metro", it is not some kind of state-run program for tramps and the homeless. It is fast, efficient, (at least in Russia) and avoids massive trafic jams.
All this goes to show that you are clueless regarding the situation of the world today. You still think Russia of as a place which it was in the 90's.
Finally, this is not a forum to show off your private posessions. This is where important issues are being discussed, not who has the best house. Please stay inside the topic.
Forget about explaining anything to this bonehead. He does not know grammar - he meant "donkey". If you are going to correct all his misspellings, you'll have to write a "War and Peace"-size document.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
freevoice Wrote:aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?What is a dunky?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
And did you know that most people in New York,many of them rich people use the "metro", it is not some kind of state-run program for tramps and the homeless. It is fast, efficient, (at least in Russia) and avoids massive trafic jams.
All this goes to show that you are clueless regarding the situation of the world today. You still think Russia of as a place which it was in the 90's.
Finally, this is not a forum to show off your private posessions. This is where important issues are being discussed, not who has the best house. Please stay inside the topic.
This is really a good stuff for a shrink, by the way. I forget that "a dunky" is a British slang for "a condom".
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
Hey, gabby-dabby, spit some more. You are making a nice performance here. This is your benefit - you are almost a star. I'd call the play you perform here "Stupid Cupid". How d'ya like that one? You forgot your part of the script or what?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
Come on, punk. Spectators are tired of clapping their hands calling you before the curtain. What an actor are you after that? Make some sound. Show must go on.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - egg - 08-13-2008
freevoice wrote:
"It's all the fault of the current American goverment.
They want to stay in power. So, as their candidate McCain is the "tough" veiewr against Russia, they made this happen to gain support. And so they try to misinform the US citizens through CNN!"
I don't know what a "veiewr" is meant to be, but this is one of the most sensible things said on this topic for twenty pages or more.
It's pretty obvious the US authorities did know what Saakashvili was planning.
It's absolutely obvious what the outcome would be if the Russians acted, as they had said time and again that they would.
The USA did nothing to stop Saakashvili.
Why? Not because the USA were willing to do anything much to help Saakashvili. It's all to do with US politics and the presidential election, as has virtually everything in America been for the past year or more. It doesn't matter if America loses face and Russia is shown to be much stronger than many people thought, so long as McCain wins the election. The Georgians are mere pawns in the US political game, poor fools.
And the US media (and some of the European media) are going all out to win the PR war for Georgia, despite the fact that Russia has much the higher moral ground in the conflict and the Ossetians are fleeing to Russia for protection - as was said a little while ago, this shows where their loyalties and friendships lie.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
egg Wrote:freevoice wrote:
"It's all the fault of the current American goverment.
They want to stay in power. So, as their candidate McCain is the "tough" veiewr against Russia, they made this happen to gain support. And so they try to misinform the US citizens through CNN!"
I don't know what a "veiewr" is meant to be, but this is one of the most sensible things said on this topic for twenty pages or more.
It's pretty obvious the US authorities did know what Saakashvili was planning.
It's absolutely obvious what the outcome would be if the Russians acted, as they had said time and again that they would.
The USA did nothing to stop Saakashvili.
Why? Not because the USA were willing to do anything much to help Saakashvili. It's all to do with US politics and the presidential election, as has virtually everything in America been for the past year or more. It doesn't matter if America loses face and Russia is shown to be much stronger than many people thought, so long as McCain wins the election. The Georgians are mere pawns in the US political game, poor fools.
And the US media (and some of the European media) are going all out to win the PR war for Georgia, despite the fact that Russia has much the higher moral ground in the conflict and the Ossetians are fleeing to Russia for protection - as was said a little while ago, this shows where their loyalties and friendships lie.
Yes, all this sounds very logical. Only I don't think that Saakashvili's action was for the Bush administration absolutely out of the blue. He miscalculated. States are too week now with all their military misfortunes and deep in their inner problems. They wouln't plan such a thing now. Well, that's my opinion.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
egg Wrote:freevoice wrote:
"It's all the fault of the current American goverment.
They want to stay in power. So, as their candidate McCain is the "tough" veiewr against Russia, they made this happen to gain support. And so they try to misinform the US citizens through CNN!"
I don't know what a "veiewr" is meant to be, but this is one of the most sensible things said on this topic for twenty pages or more.
It's pretty obvious the US authorities did know what Saakashvili was planning.
It's absolutely obvious what the outcome would be if the Russians acted, as they had said time and again that they would.
The USA did nothing to stop Saakashvili.
Why? Not because the USA were willing to do anything much to help Saakashvili. It's all to do with US politics and the presidential election, as has virtually everything in America been for the past year or more. It doesn't matter if America loses face and Russia is shown to be much stronger than many people thought, so long as McCain wins the election. The Georgians are mere pawns in the US political game, poor fools.
And the US media (and some of the European media) are going all out to win the PR war for Georgia, despite the fact that Russia has much the higher moral ground in the conflict and the Ossetians are fleeing to Russia for protection - as was said a little while ago, this shows where their loyalties and friendships lie.
Sorry. I meant I DO think that Saakashvili's action was for the Bush administration absolutely out of the blue, and he just overestimated his position.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - IamGEORGIA - 08-13-2008
Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Well, you know, this is childish. what does it mean "he did what he should have done"? We all, in a sense, do what we should, as we think, you know. As a politician, he acted irresponsibly relying on a western support. He miscalculated. As to the whole population, I kind of doubt it. This was a good case for him to pull nation together - that is true, of course. But, to me, patriotism, in any form, is misleading. It makes you easy to be manipulated. What Russia did was too much - agreed on that. But he made a mistake - and his nation paid (he personally didn't). Now, whatever you say, he is dead as a politician. I'm strongly inclined to think that in a couple of months Nino Burjanidze (I hope I spell it right) will be your new leader.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - SiD - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Wow and we are aggressors here. So you planned to destroy Avkhazia too? War isnt over? Who is totalitar here? Why you like word Soviet so much? We are RUSSIAN FEDERATION. WAKE UP.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
I also wanted to add that, to me, a person who has a good habit of reasoning independently, always has to ask him/herself "Who will gain if I think so-and-so". Say, who will gain in case you are forced to think that the Russians are the nation of murderers? I mean, surely there are guys for whom this war is a win-win game. And surely nationalist hysteria (from both sides of the conflict) is for their profit.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
And yeah, well, listen to yourself: "firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia". What is that? And after that you criticize Putin? You sound very much like this guy, dear. I mean, think first on what you want to say, put emotions aside for a bit.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
aranar63 Wrote:no you mf russky i went on with my bussiness to consume like you said i have the money, no matter where i am from i cnn go and fuck your girls any time i want,but you on the otherside can't not even go to turkey, i own 3 cars that over 200K in hardware, not a donkey like you or a decrepid lada, have 2 nice houses one of them is paid for, what did yo have, the dream of becomming somebody, what did you make a year 12K rubles, where you the one saying your family make 100K in a year, well my makes alot more then that, just a lone 1 member make 4x that, so keep dreaming i got to go consume cause, i have the $$$$$, and there is nothing like driving a Benz, having a boat, and some nice free time any time i want, what about you?
still driving the old dunkey or taking the bus? or metro ? and yes you get piss off why because you can debate, it is the way russia see it and thats it, man i am no part of the PROLETARIAT, i am a BURGOUISS a big one, as we say you can dress a monkey with silk, but it is still a monkey, thats you parussky friend.
Your country can compete with mine financially and you can with me, you POS :haha
Hey, Aranar. Come on, it's boring here without you. Come on, show up, I promise I will not hurt your American pride any more (I'll try). There's no one in this forum except Georgians faked up by their president. They all think that there's a Universal Divine Justice on this planet. Whereas there's only political pragmatics. It define not who's right and who's wrong, but who loses and who wins. Americans have to know it better than anybody. Russians are quickly learning it from the US - not how to be right, but how to win. Are you with me? Don't take amiss. Come on.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - IamGEORGIA - 08-13-2008
SiD Wrote:IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Wow and we are aggressors here. So you planned to destroy Avkhazia too? War isnt over? Who is totalitar here? Why you like word Soviet so much? We are RUSSIAN FEDERATION. WAKE UP.
We are UNITING our country..We are getting bacl the teritories that russia took away ears ago..
Its our time..
of course you are agressors..
You and your Putin interven in Georgia, in its internationaly recignized borders..
Its our teritory! And we will decide how will our country designed and administered..
And when other country, Russia in this case, decides that osetia or Abkhazia must be independent, there appears one qusetion: who is russia? what the hell on earth russia wants on the teritory of the other countries?
you cant answer it...
And when you are speaking about agression and ethnic cleanse, don u remember two wars of chechnya? Besla tragedy, when your own president killed little children? dont u remember that?
You are russian federation formaly..you are mentaly Soviet Union, but without Georgia and Ukraine..
Come oon, You still have Soviet Anthem..
and your president said that crash of soviet bloody regime was a biggest tragedy of 20 th century..
and after that you are not a Svoeit Union? its funny...
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - IamGEORGIA - 08-13-2008
qwerty Wrote:IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
And yeah, well, listen to yourself: "firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia". What is that? And after that you criticize Putin? You sound very much like this guy, dear. I mean, think first on what you want to say, put emotions aside for a bit.
Yes yes.."bring back" has not russian meaning...
bring bacl means bring Osseti (Samachablo - historic name) back under georgian jursiprudence..bring back, unite georgia...Bring back Samachablo with ethnic Osetioans who want to live with us..
After that Abkhazia and ethnic Abkhazs are going to joib our united country..What de facto president says it is not a position of Abkhazian people..They cant survive if they are independetn..
so only way is with georgia..In home land of Abkhazia..
Im sure you know that Russia gives their pasports to the citizens of Osetia..Is it normal?
Imagine, Georgia goes in Chechnya and gives there Georgian pasports..Do you like it?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - IamGEORGIA - 08-13-2008
qwerty Wrote:IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Well, you know, this is childish. what does it mean "he did what he should have done"? We all, in a sense, do what we should, as we think, you know. As a politician, he acted irresponsibly relying on a western support. He miscalculated. As to the whole population, I kind of doubt it. This was a good case for him to pull nation together - that is true, of course. But, to me, patriotism, in any form, is misleading. It makes you easy to be manipulated. What Russia did was too much - agreed on that. But he made a mistake - and his nation paid (he personally didn't). Now, whatever you say, he is dead as a politician. I'm strongly inclined to think that in a couple of months Nino Burjanidze (I hope I spell it right) will be your new leader.
Well about patriotizm we can argue for a long time..
For Georgian patriotism is the most native sense...We always survived because we had huge sence of patriotism and religion..when we have these two, noone could break us..Even mongolians, arabs or Persians..
Neither russian can break us...
Now about Saakashvili..
Well on the last election he get 55 %...its means the whole majority trust him..His main goal is unite georgia..Our President adn all the populationa here want see Georgia again with Abkhazia and Osettia..
And this united georgia joining NATO..
Everyone is sure we are very close to this day...
If he makes it (unite georgia) than he is a National hero..real hero because he can make real dream of every georgian..
If he cant, everyone would say, that he has done everything he could to beat Monster Neghbour..
And then when new elections will be there, we will decide who will be our president..Its very simple..
(maybe its strange, because in Modern Soviet Russia, former KGB Agent Putin decides who will be the next president..)
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:qwerty Wrote:IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
And yeah, well, listen to yourself: "firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia". What is that? And after that you criticize Putin? You sound very much like this guy, dear. I mean, think first on what you want to say, put emotions aside for a bit.
Yes yes.."bring back" has not russian meaning...
bring bacl means bring Osseti (Samachablo - historic name) back under georgian jursiprudence..bring back, unite georgia...Bring back Samachablo with ethnic Osetioans who want to live with us..
After that Abkhazia and ethnic Abkhazs are going to joib our united country..What de facto president says it is not a position of Abkhazian people..They cant survive if they are independetn..
so only way is with georgia..In home land of Abkhazia..
Im sure you know that Russia gives their pasports to the citizens of Osetia..Is it normal?
Imagine, Georgia goes in Chechnya and gives there Georgian pasports..Do you like it?
How can you decide if Abkhasians can or cannot survive without Georgia. Ah... it's useless. Again, I am personally very tired to talk of who's right and who's wrong. There's no Absolute Divine Justice on earth. But there's a political pragmatics. So let's put it this way. You lost the war. This is a fact. The treaty is about to be signed. This is a fact. Pragmatically speaking, you are very unlikely to rise a question about this territories during VERY long time since now. This is a fact. You may try to repeat the Saakashvili scenario - this is your right. But then, again, most likely, you will lose your own country. Neither EU, nor the US will allow to to repeat this conflict again - simply because no one wants to start a Third World War because Georgians want Abkhasia back. You may not agree on that, but you'll have to live with that, believe me.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - SiD - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:SiD Wrote:IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Wow and we are aggressors here. So you planned to destroy Avkhazia too? War isnt over? Who is totalitar here? Why you like word Soviet so much? We are RUSSIAN FEDERATION. WAKE UP.
We are UNITING our country..We are getting bacl the teritories that russia took away ears ago..
Its our time..
of course you are agressors..
You and your Putin interven in Georgia, in its internationaly recignized borders..
Its our teritory! And we will decide how will our country designed and administered..
And when other country, Russia in this case, decides that osetia or Abkhazia must be independent, there appears one qusetion: who is russia? what the hell on earth russia wants on the teritory of the other countries?
you cant answer it...
And when you are speaking about agression and ethnic cleanse, don u remember two wars of chechnya? Besla tragedy, when your own president killed little children? dont u remember that?
You are russian federation formaly..you are mentaly Soviet Union, but without Georgia and Ukraine..
Come oon, You still have Soviet Anthem..
and your president said that crash of soviet bloody regime was a biggest tragedy of 20 th century..
and after that you are not a Svoeit Union? its funny...
Well tell me did you personaly knew what would happen if you will kill Russian peacekeepres and thousands of civilians in S Osetia? Can you answer that?
i wont even bother to comment about Chechnya and Beslan, much has been written previus you can find if you want.
You calling us SU parhaps your chiftain or shaman told you to call us so? We are in 21 century here.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - freevoice - 08-13-2008
IamGEORGIA Wrote:You say that you are taking back what used to be yours, then surely you won't mind Russia taking back what was theirs during the Soviet ere times, hey how about England tries to take back America. Face it, they don't want to be with you.SiD Wrote:IamGEORGIA Wrote:Saakashvili did,what he should have done and what the whole population wanted him to do..
Reunite georgia..firts bring back Osettia and then its time for Abkhazia..
It will happen very soon..war isn't over..
Russia can never decide who will be in powere of his neighbour countrie..Soviet era in georgia is over..
Era of Destruction, blood, the darkest period in the history of Georgia..
Wow and we are aggressors here. So you planned to destroy Avkhazia too? War isnt over? Who is totalitar here? Why you like word Soviet so much? We are RUSSIAN FEDERATION. WAKE UP.
We are UNITING our country..We are getting bacl the teritories that russia took away ears ago..
Its our time..
of course you are agressors..
You and your Putin interven in Georgia, in its internationaly recignized borders..
Its our teritory! And we will decide how will our country designed and administered..
And when other country, Russia in this case, decides that osetia or Abkhazia must be independent, there appears one qusetion: who is russia? what the hell on earth russia wants on the teritory of the other countries?
you cant answer it...
And when you are speaking about agression and ethnic cleanse, don u remember two wars of chechnya? Besla tragedy, when your own president killed little children? dont u remember that?
You are russian federation formaly..you are mentaly Soviet Union, but without Georgia and Ukraine..
Come oon, You still have Soviet Anthem..
and your president said that crash of soviet bloody regime was a biggest tragedy of 20 th century..
and after that you are not a Svoeit Union? its funny...
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - freevoice - 08-13-2008
IamGeorgia,
" ethnic Osetioans who want to live with us.."
Are you serious? Do you think that the people who have just had their capital flattened by your military will want to join you? WTF?! If they really want to be with you, then a) why did they seek refuge in Russia, and b) why haven't they done so?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - qwerty - 08-13-2008
Hah! I just now learned that Saakashvili gave an interview for CNN. He was BLAMING THE EU and THE US for their inadequate reaction in the conflict! Sweetie-boy - he has just killed himself as a politician. Ans, of course, helped Russians greatly. What an idiot - I can't believe this!