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Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - EU1 - 09-03-2008
I am pissed off at reading this sh#t, Russia is everywhere, check it maybe it has already been to your ass? F#ck Russia and Georgia too
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Salomo - 09-03-2008
Personally I do not understand the logic why Russia promotes Abkhazian and South Ossetian independency, but failed to give the same independence to Chechnya, to Ingushetia, to Dagestan… or to promote the independence of Kosovo. Of all these, Abkhazia and South Ossetia is the region with least people in the “local ethnicity”, Abkhazia has less than 50 % before Georgians were chased away. Kosovo has more than 80 % ethnic Albanians who supported independence.
But independence of new countries is ok for me. Let’s just give it to all, after referendums though, with all legal residents voting, away-chased people included.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - lashachochua - 09-03-2008
EU1 Wrote:I am pissed off at reading this sh#t, Russia is everywhere, check it maybe it has already been to your ass? F#ck Russia and Georgia too
I think this comment provided by you shows you real intentions. You are here just to make mess. You do not care about russia, georgia, Abkhazia and S. Ossetia. What about you care is your ass....And go see, I think a huge bone should be there. Stop your bone-headed comments...........
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - matusala - 09-03-2008
Because, Russia is great gambler and he expects an respection.
I think,real reason began few years ago, when Russia as a big player, being set for a long time as a loser, he decided to play "all in". He felt impulse and started: 1) G7+1 won 2)EU and Russia won 3)crisis in Iraq and Afganistan won 4)nuclear crisis in iran won 5) G8 won 6) gas pipeline to Europe won 7) Status qwo in Georgia and black see Ukraine won 8) financial crisis in America won and etc...
Russia became a very rich and drank by these victories and felt as a player that fortune is on his site and put another bet... Georgia! won! or not? logicaly , he slell is on and can manage the situation arraund. Wat's next bet and how much price? Ukraine,Polland, Chekh, Turkey...
But as unwritten golden rule of casino: Knowing when stop! For Russia all those success were not enaugh and someone pull the brakes for him... Now is metter of time when and how safely he stops. Too much load and short distance and huge wall toward Russia!
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Eka - 09-04-2008
Georgia will suport all caucasian ethnicities to gain independance!if the referendum states this.
As we already help Chechen refugies in Pankisi gourg. This people were mostly women with children who escape after Russian geonocide of Chechens.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - EU1 - 09-04-2008
Eka Wrote:Georgia will suport all caucasian ethnicities to gain independance!if the referendum states this.
As we already help Chechen refugies in Pankisi gourg. This people were mostly women with children who escape after Russian geonocide of Chechens.
You may support. Chechens will become independent, will create a muslim amirates at all Caucasus including some Russian territories and all Georgia and will continue to play football with georgian heads like they did it in 1992 during Abkzazian conflict. Do you want that? If it is bad for Russia it does not mean that it is good for Georgia.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Lenus - 09-04-2008
EU1 Wrote:You may support. Chechens will become independent, will create a muslim amirates at all Caucasus including some Russian territories and all Georgia and will continue to play football with georgian heads like they did it in 1992 during Abkzazian conflict. Do you want that? If it is bad for Russia it does not mean that it is good for Georgia.
Chechens are independent. Yealtsin signed a Khosavurt agreement yet Putin went in and invaded a country!
Chechens didnt play football, Pro-Russian Agents did, they have no nationality.
Chechen people are our brothers, historically this land always beloged to them (Same with ingushs), and you have no right to be present there!
Independence for Chechnia and Ingushetia !!!
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - lashachochua - 09-04-2008
EU1 Wrote:Eka Wrote:Georgia will suport all caucasian ethnicities to gain independance!if the referendum states this.
As we already help Chechen refugies in Pankisi gourg. This people were mostly women with children who escape after Russian geonocide of Chechens.
You may support. Chechens will become independent, will create a muslim amirates at all Caucasus including some Russian territories and all Georgia and will continue to play football with georgian heads like they did it in 1992 during Abkzazian conflict. Do you want that? If it is bad for Russia it does not mean that it is good for Georgia.
You have just approved the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia...Go and read kavkazcenter.com...
By the way, nevertheless the fact you provided here, Georgian People survived many chechens while Russia-Chechnya war...Now make conclusions....And be more attentive while talking about Georgia's invasion and things like that..........
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - EU1 - 09-04-2008
lashachochua Wrote:EU1 Wrote:Eka Wrote:Georgia will suport all caucasian ethnicities to gain independance!if the referendum states this.
As we already help Chechen refugies in Pankisi gourg. This people were mostly women with children who escape after Russian geonocide of Chechens.
You may support. Chechens will become independent, will create a muslim amirates at all Caucasus including some Russian territories and all Georgia and will continue to play football with georgian heads like they did it in 1992 during Abkzazian conflict. Do you want that? If it is bad for Russia it does not mean that it is good for Georgia.
You have just approved the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia...Go and read kavkazcenter.com...
By the way, nevertheless the fact you provided here, Georgian People survived many chechens while Russia-Chechnya war...Now make conclusions....And be more attentive while talking about Georgia's invasion and things like that..........
I mean georgian soldiers, I can't support such things to do with captives, but I have european mode of thinking, maybe eastern people don't think so if they do such things. The same way of killing was used for russian soldiers and foreign citizens captured by terrorists. I just remembered those facts to make you see that no one needs destabilization in Caucasus
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - matusala - 09-04-2008
everyone knows, war in Caucasia will provocate a global war
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - SiD - 09-04-2008
matusala Wrote:everyone knows, war in Caucasia will provocate a global war
I havent knew that.What is source of this knowledge?
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - matusala - 09-04-2008
See my friend from the begining. How many country's interests are crossing on this region? Why?
Who'd like to lieve this area first. Do you think that this is just a piece of land at all?
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - matusala - 09-04-2008
The problem of georgians is that they are more romantic than realistic.
Georgia can be an important player but at first needs to earn image of leader, which is lost for the moment.
Remember,chechens paid not less price for that. Both countries had a chance to be united for main goal and now you see the result. I think the best way to lead all nations in Caucasus is to establish a strong economic wich will be interesting to all oder nations and mortal for Russia, than be always involved in such provocations. Russia never become as a country with strong economic (at least Mr. Putin is on) but will be strongest militarist. This is his destiny. Remember russian movie "okno v paris"? Wery good example how were russians advertising russian pianos?! It will be always so. Have a loock at Cuba.The same desined shops,markets,streets,factories,"moskvich" and "Zil" trucks ,since they become under russian protectorat.
I think,leave for the moment Abkhazs and dublicated Osetians with Russia and don't be affraid that anyone will recognise them if only some pure comunist countryes.Lets start creating strongest economical potential in Caucasian region. Everyone will see the result very soon. Russia will blow up by own envy if single russians will not finish a dictat of proputin generals before that.
Don't be so angry.Wait please a little!
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - SiD - 09-04-2008
matusala Wrote:See my friend from the begining. How many country's interests are crossing on this region? Why?
Who'd like to lieve this area first. Do you think that this is just a piece of land at all?
What is it then?
You sound unrealistick. Parhaps you should compare economys of Georgia and Russia before speaking about potentials?
And if you dont see georgia is moving towards EU. It means EU rules not caucasian rules.
Remember Afganistan. They were important for many empires troughout history, does it brought them any good? To take position before envil and hammer is not wise choice i think. And Georgia already expirienced it.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - matusala - 09-04-2008
I agree with you. Ofcource, Afg is located in very important area.I'm sorry for them, realy sorry, because they realy suffering and they deserve peace not less than Georgians or other nations.
But nothing is similar in this world even two similar leaf on the one tree!
Do you need the list of diferences between Georgia and Afganistan? Historical, cultural, religion,economical etc..?
Sorry, Georgia doesn't manufacturing Heroin.
But you are right, some risks needs to be calculated.
That is why all EU countryes standed against russian envasion. 8-)
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Lenus - 09-06-2008
Someody asked for an info for Ingushetia:
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The Republic of Ingushetia in the Russian North Caucasus borders on Georgia to the south.
Its neighbours within Russia are Chechnya and North Ossetia. The overwhelming majority of the population is Muslim and clan links are an integral part of society.
History
The Ingush and Chechen peoples have close historical, cultural and linguistic ties, although the Ingush have not shared in the fierceness of the resistance to Moscow put up by the Chechens over the past 200 years.
Part of the Russian empire since the early 19th century, Ingushetia was formally joined to Chechnya under Soviet rule in 1936 when it formed around one-fifth of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic within Russia.
Like the Chechens, the Ingush, despite their history of relative loyalty to Moscow, were deported to Central Asia towards the end of World War II by Stalin who accused them of collaborating with the Nazis. They were allowed to return only in 1957 when Khrushchev was Soviet leader.
There was tension after Dzhokhar Dudayev came to power as Chechen leader in 1991. When he declared Chechen sovereignty the Ingush resisted. There was some fighting along the border between the two regions and Russian troops were sent in to establish order. The Ingush subsequently voted in a referendum to form the Republic of Ingushetia within Russia. Although firmly tied to Moscow, the republic has its own anthem and state symbols.
The Ingush and North Ossetians have a history of rivalry. Ingushetia lays claim to the neighbouring Prigorodny district which was included in the Russian Republic of North Ossetia when Stalin deported the Ingush in 1944. For many years after their return, the district had a substantial Ingush population.
Post-Soviet period
In late 1992 violence erupted in Prigorodny district. The two sides have fundamental differences as to the reasons. The North Ossetians assert that it was sparked by Ingush radicals seeking to include Prigorodny in the newly formed Republic of Ingushetia. The Ingush assert that the North Ossetians attacked first and that they acted in self defence.
The fighting left many dead. Moscow sent troops to establish order. The Ingush population was expelled from the district and Ingushetia faced its first post-independence refugee crisis. Tensions persist and there are differences as to how many refugees have returned home.
Ingushetia has hosted thousands of refugees fleeing violence in Chechnya
Another refugee crisis presented itself when thousands of Chechens fled across the border into Ingushetia when Russian troops returned to Chechnya in 1999. The last refugee camp was reported to have been closed five years later. Russia rejected concerns voiced by human rights groups that many of the former residents had been forcibly repatriated in Moscow's zeal to expunge indications of continuing conflict in the area.
Ingushetia lives in the shadow of the violence and lawlessness of its Chechen neighbour and poverty is widespread. From time to time, the violence has spilled over the border and Russian forces are regularly targeted by attackers.
There was a major escalation in June 2004 when several dozen people, including the Ingush acting interior minister, were killed in attacks reported to have involved hundreds of gunmen armed with grenades and rockets.
Russian forces have since launched several raids against suspected rebel hideouts in Ingushetia in which there have been numerous deaths.
Ingushetia facts:
Territory: Ingushetia
Status: Semi-autonomous region of Russia
Status: Republic within Russian Federation
Population: 300,000
Religion: Islam
Capital: Magas (previous capital was nearby Nazran)
Languages: Ingush, Russian
Currency: Rouble
President: Murat Zyazikov
anotver map:
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Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Steven - 09-06-2008
Its population is only 300,000 people, I wonder how they would survive by their own, if get separated.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Karl.in.eu - 09-07-2008
True, Steven, everybody is going crazy since Russia supported separatism. 8-)
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - zubr - 09-09-2008
Salomo Wrote:Personally I do not understand the logic why Russia promotes Abkhazian and South Ossetian independency, but failed to give the same independence to Chechnya, to Ingushetia, to Dagestan… or to promote the independence of Kosovo. Of all these, Abkhazia and South Ossetia is the region with least people in the “local ethnicity”, Abkhazia has less than 50 % before Georgians were chased away. Kosovo has more than 80 % ethnic Albanians who supported independence.
But independence of new countries is ok for me. Let’s just give it to all, after referendums though, with all legal residents voting, away-chased people included.
Russia is not alone in not letting territories go that want to separate. How about this article from American newspaper: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/lakota-withdraw.html">http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... hdraw.html</a><!-- m -->
The Lakota Sioux Indians, whose ancestors include Sitting Bull, Red Cloud and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from all treaties their forefathers signed with the U.S. government and have declared their independence. A delegation delivered the news to the State Department earlier this week.
Portions of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming comprise Lakota country, and the tribe says that if the federal government doesn't begin diplomatic discussions promptly, liens will be filed on property in the five-state region.
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," said Russell Means, a longtime Indian rights activist. "This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically Article 6 of the Constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land.
"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the U.S. and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," he added during a press conference yesterday in Washington.
The new country would issue its own passports and driver licenses, and living there would be tax-free, provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, he said, according to a report from Agence France-Presse.
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Why do they hold on to that region? Give them power to do referendum and separate!!!
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - the globe - 09-09-2008
Freedom to Ingushetia from russian empire!
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Verb - 09-09-2008
We (Russia) should throw those Muslims (Chechnya and Ingushetia) away from our beautiful Country. They will die of starvation without us. We are feeding them for centuries but there is no any feedback.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Salomo - 09-10-2008
You had an opportunity to "throw them away", that is what they also wanted, but you "took them back".
I also wish they could be allowed to leave Russia.Same for the Lakota state in USA. Why not? Of course, a referendum would be nice... One problem is certainly that the area is not a unity for itself but comprises areas from different states. Perhaps a better "first step" would be to create a new state, and then later ask for independence? But yes, I support this, at least if there is majority wanting independence... For this purpose, it is better if the area is not too big.
Yes, it would be time for UN to make some guidelines for acceptable separatism. The world's actual borders shall not be holy, they have to be able to change by recognising new independent states.
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - mika - 09-10-2008
Verb Wrote:We (Russia) should throw those Muslims (Chechnya and Ingushetia) away from our beautiful Country. They will die of starvation without us. We are feeding them for centuries but there is no any feedback.
you must be joking
Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - Giorgi - 09-10-2008
the globe Wrote:Freedom to Ingushetia from russian empire!
Freedom will be demand at list from 21 republic part of russian when two president will aet each other and it will destroy russian empire, later Russian will be part of civilization i hope. I belive in Russian without empire think of way.
Freedom to Tatarstan who will be next
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Re: Ingushetia Demands Independence from Russia! - RusNeko - 09-10-2008
RUSSIA SUPPORTS SEPARATISM????????
You Must be joking!!
When cosovars, who killed the serbians in Cosovo, who hadn't got any historical rights to be free, ONLY RUSSIA was against!! And now, when Ossetia and Abhasia got their independence, we Had to declare them free: they cannot live united with georgians - cos georgians killed osetians and planned to kill abhazians. Am I right? Russia is not imperialistic. If Ingushetia _really_wants_ independence, if this is not the provocation - so this is their choise (but I hardly believe it). We are not Imperia, we are the Federation. USA is more imperialistic than Russia. Am I Right??