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Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Giovane - 08-31-2008
Ok, I see you don't understand the information , so look at this ( I give you 2 videos BBC and CNN special that you can't hav anyuncertainty)
1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRnbOlhEZj0
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOTjtO7bMyY
Yes you're right, Ramzan isn't an authority,m but I think his joke is good. So I thing soonly you will agree))
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Hakan G - 09-03-2008
One thing is sure: Russian peacekeepers are leading the poll :pan
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Simon A - 09-04-2008
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Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Eka - 09-04-2008
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Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Eugene from Belarus - 09-04-2008
Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or USA?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - lashachochua - 09-04-2008
Eugene from Belarus Wrote:Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or USA?
To narrow choice set...I do not see among them the real provocator of the war.......What in Belarus people think, who started?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - matusala - 09-04-2008
Aha, Georgians started the battle and ossetians together with russian peacekeepers were watching olympic games on TV! :haha
Does it make any difference now to blame anybody?
As many times say Georgia that it's been planed by Russia as more argument will say Russia agains that.
Look at the Russian press! Imagine just a number of russian journalists involved in this war and then georgians.
Do you think the world is so stuped that can't see what's happened?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - SiD - 09-04-2008
matusala Wrote:Aha, Georgians started the battle and ossetians together with russian peacekeepers were watching olympic games on TV! :haha
Does it make any difference now to blame anybody?
As many times say Georgia that it's been planed by Russia as more argument will say Russia agains that.
Look at the Russian press! Imagine just a number of russian journalists involved in this war and then georgians.
Do you think the world is so stuped that can't see what's happened?
First of all you must be clear what you mean by word world. Western countries stand on pro georgian position but even they know that war started after Georgia attacked S Odetia. Still west is not whole world.
And what with russian journalists? They are many so what?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - alex01 - 09-04-2008
lashachochua Wrote:Then maybe you DON'T WANT to see real provocator? Georgian military budget grows up to $9 billion. Where from they would get such money? Answer this question and you can calculate the real provocator.Eugene from Belarus Wrote:Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or USA?
To narrow choice set...I do not see among them the real provocator of the war.......What in Belarus people think, who started?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - matusala - 09-04-2008
Maybe is good to remind some events regardind this conflict?
Abkhaz leader pronounced the date of attacing upper Abkhazia at July 12 th.
Incident on the pipeline in Turkey near to Georgian border.
Russian jets fru over conflict zone in Ossetia and Mr.Lavrovs sarcasm about hot heads in georgian government.
Soon after,begining of August: just two days before escalation, russians started tackig out of zone to the North Osetia wimen and children.
Were they informed that Georgians are planing something and/or they new the date Georgians would start?
where ecsactly was prepared the plan to blow up Georgia? In Tbilisi ? :banghead
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - lashachochua - 09-04-2008
alex01 Wrote:lashachochua Wrote:Then maybe you DON'T WANT to see real provocator? Georgian military budget grows up to $9 billion. Where from they would get such money? Answer this question and you can calculate the real provocator.Eugene from Belarus Wrote:Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or USA?
To narrow choice set...I do not see among them the real provocator of the war.......What in Belarus people think, who started?
I am really trying to calculate, but can not put this 9 billion dollar in 3 billion dollar budget of Georgia? I am also sure that you think that Georgian population is 50 billion? Doesn't you?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - lashachochua - 09-04-2008
SiD Wrote:matusala Wrote:Aha, Georgians started the battle and ossetians together with russian peacekeepers were watching olympic games on TV! :haha
Does it make any difference now to blame anybody?
As many times say Georgia that it's been planed by Russia as more argument will say Russia agains that.
Look at the Russian press! Imagine just a number of russian journalists involved in this war and then georgians.
Do you think the world is so stuped that can't see what's happened?
First of all you must be clear what you mean by word world. Western countries stand on pro georgian position but even they know that war started after Georgia attacked S Odetia. Still west is not whole world.
And what with russian journalists? They are many so what?
SiD, come on, there were not unity of positions in EU concerning the war in Irac, concerning the question of Kosovo? Don't you think that you should at least ask why is there the whole unity of position concerning Russia-Georgian war??? SiD sometimes your comments make me think that you purposefully fake your position, just because not to say bad about your Mother-Land.........Open your eyes and see the reality, the sooner, better for you
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - alex01 - 09-04-2008
lashachochua Wrote:I am really trying to calculate, but can not put this 9 billion dollar in 3 billion dollar budget of Georgia? I am also sure that you think that Georgian population is 50 billion? Doesn't you?
Very interesting, isn't it? So guess where from they would try to get such money? You didn't find the answer on my previous post? 1billion - war = 9billion
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Terry - 09-04-2008
I actually doubt Georgia has a 9 billion budget allocated only for military purpose. The country's budget is not bigger than 3 billion dollars, that's for sure.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - lashachochua - 09-04-2008
Terry Wrote:I actually doubt Georgia has a 9 billion budget allocated only for military purpose. The country's budget is not bigger than 3 billion dollars, that's for sure.
Yes terry, you are right!!!
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Terry - 09-04-2008
thank you.
This is the official figure I found: 5.5 billion lari (about 2.8 billion dollars).
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Nicholas - 09-04-2008
Russia is not only exaggerating death toll, it exaggerates everything. With 9 billion, no Russian tank would have been so close to the country’s capital.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - alex01 - 09-05-2008
“One option, Mr. Kezerashvili said, would include creating up to four more combat brigades. He said that training and equipping new brigades, re-equipping existing forces and installing a modern air-defense network could cost $8 billion to $9 billion.
Together with Europeans and the United States, we have to rebuild our army and make it stronger, because it is in the common interest,” he said, adding that Russia could attack another neighbor, and must be deterred. “Who will be the next victim? Nobody knows.” The New York Times.
There's an answer. I didn't ever insist in my posts that Georgia had $9 billion military budget (only 1 billion - 33% of own budget according to your figures) - I think you simply don't want to answer the question about provocator. Are you?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - lashachochua - 09-05-2008
I am ready to answer on your any question... Just be more precise....
As for rebuilding Georgian army, I am for it... Small country needs strong professional army, to feel safe from big country...
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Eugene from Belarus - 09-05-2008
The georgian forces started to bomb Tshinval. From "the grads". The Grad is the artillery sistem that is for attac the whole aria, not particular building. the same attacs were in early 90-th. Hundreds of people were killed. The georgian commander said (live by the way) that Gerrgia started the operation ('The Clean aria') aiming to get back the territories. Georgian forces killed again and again. There are thousend of witnesses of their masacres. You dont see them on your TV. And now you say that Russia is responsible for this war? Russia shoud stay away? if Russia stay away - there won"t be any of the osetians alife today
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - russian999 - 09-05-2008
Quote:SiD, come on, there were not unity of positions in EU concerning the war in Irac, concerning the question of Kosovo? Don't you think that you should at least ask why is there the whole unity of position concerning Russia-Georgian war??? SiD sometimes your comments make me think that you purposefully fake your position, just because not to say bad about your Mother-Land.........Open your eyes and see the reality, the sooner, better for you
Its so funny to watch all this discussions. Because for those people, who knows russian character, one fact is very obvios. Fact, that russians will never give up in any fight, wich they picked allready.
Russians very slow for making decision to fight, but if they start to fight - they will never give up. That is why for now Russia picked geopolitical fight with USA. So, we will see, what is going to happen, but belive me - we will fight to the end.
That is why all present discussions are useless, because you discussing who is right and who is wrong. But, I think, we should discuss about future. For example - who will give up first - Russia or USA?
I think, that Russia now is stronger, than Soviet Union of "Cold War" time. Because now we dont have burden of 14 republics (Georgia, Armenia etc...). Also now we trust to president not because we was told to do so, but because we feel to do so.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Lenus - 09-06-2008
russian999 Wrote:Its so funny to watch all this discussions. Because for those people, who knows russian character, one fact is very obvios. Fact, that russians will never give up in any fight, wich they picked allready.
Russians very slow for making decision to fight, but if they start to fight - they will never give up. That is why for now Russia picked geopolitical fight with USA. So, we will see, what is going to happen, but belive me - we will fight to the end.
We, in Georgia know that perfectly well, Its just People outside post-USSR area dont' know about real Russian intentions so well.
I must thank you for clearing the issue up.
Keep going, you will bury your country and no amount of Putins are going to save you!
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - russian999 - 09-06-2008
Quote:We, in Georgia know that perfectly well, Its just People outside post-USSR area dont' know about real Russian intentions so well.
I must thank you for clearing the issue up.
Keep going, you will bury your country and no amount of Putins are going to save you!
Look at the history - when Russia was destroyed? Never.... So, you think, that Georgia will make it for the fist time in history?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Lenus - 09-06-2008
russian999 Wrote:Look at the history - when Russia was destroyed? Never.... So, you think, that Georgia will make it for the fist time in history?
1917.
1941.
1991.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - russian999 - 09-06-2008
Quote:russian999 wrote:After 1917 Russia became much stronger then before. After 1941 Russia became world leading power. After 1991 - will be same.
Look at the history - when Russia was destroyed? Never.... So, you think, that Georgia will make it for the fist time in history?
1917.
1941.
1991.
By the way, I want ask you - do you really belive, that after georgians killed 54 russian peacekeepers and woonded 200 anotherone, Russia will just sit on the ass and do nothing?