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Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Faw_Peter - 09-22-2008
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Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Karl.in.eu - 09-22-2008
This is how russian hackers deal with democracy
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 09-22-2008
What is war? I have not voted on who started the war because I am not sure what is meant by the question. You have to define the meaning of war first. Then you have to be sure when it started. What was before the war? Was it peace? There are people who might think peace always exists between and before wars but others would argue that mere absence of war does not mean peace. Sometimes the question matters more than the answer. If one asks secondary or even wrong questions, what answers can be expected? But the better input the better output. I’d like to know how long ago there was peace in this region.
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Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Steven - 09-25-2008
specially for you Yalta
war is open armed conflict between two or more parties, nations, or states.
I think there is no response for the question of this topic because the roots begin too much before we existed.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - freevoice - 09-25-2008
I think that the actual war was officially started by Georgia. There is a possibility that they reacted to provocative acts from S. Ossetian militia, or as a retaliation to Russian troops pooring into S. Ossetia (although I don't see how launching an attack on Tsinkvali would resolve that issue).
However the actual conflict I believe was started by the stupid leadership of the USSR, who divided Ossetia in two for somme bizzare reason.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 09-25-2008
freevoice Wrote:I think that the actual war was officially started by Georgia. There is a possibility that they reacted to provocative acts from S. Ossetian militia, or as a retaliation to Russian troops pooring into S. Ossetia (although I don't see how launching an attack on Tsinkvali would resolve that issue).Rather than being some bizarre reason, it was a sophisticated calculation. Hostage taking.
However the actual conflict I believe was started by the stupid leadership of the USSR, who divided Ossetia in two for somme bizzare reason.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - freevoice - 09-25-2008
Yalta1945 Wrote:Didn't know about that, but considering the problems it has caused I still think it was a dumb decision.freevoice Wrote:I think that the actual war was officially started by Georgia. There is a possibility that they reacted to provocative acts from S. Ossetian militia, or as a retaliation to Russian troops pooring into S. Ossetia (although I don't see how launching an attack on Tsinkvali would resolve that issue).Rather than being some bizarre reason, it was a sophisticated calculation. Hostage taking.
However the actual conflict I believe was started by the stupid leadership of the USSR, who divided Ossetia in two for somme bizzare reason.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 09-25-2008
Steven Wrote:specially for you YaltaDoes Kokoity's "party" mean "Russia"?
war is open armed conflict between two or more parties, nations, or states.
Steven Wrote:I think there is no response for the question of this topic because the roots begin too much before we existed.Which part of the Bible do you refer to? 8-)
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - freevoice - 09-25-2008
It is still uncertain who exactly started it, since the whole investigation is incomplete, but what I would like to know is who caused a similar war in the 90's, which eventually lead to this.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - gomboreli - 09-26-2008
Freevoice, doubtlessly stupid leadership of the USSR didn't divide Ossetia at all. It created South Ossetia in April 1922 on Georgian land and chose Tskhinvali as it administrative center. Tskhinvali is a Georgian word and means 'a land of hornbeams' since there are indeed a lot of these trees in this region. Now Ossetians and their Russian patrons cross out the last letter from the city name so as to hide its real etymology. Ossetians according to the 1922 census constituted only 11% in this city.The expansion of Ossetians under the Soviet rule was astonishing - they even got some Ingushetian lands after the latter were expelled in 1944 - which turned them into super-privileged people in the Communist Empire. Taken into account the Soviet policy which didn't care about national borders at all (Russian lands given to Kazakhstan, Tajik cultural centres handed over to Uzbekistan etc), tragedies of the present time can be traced back to early 1920s.
Therefore Russia has not divided but almost tripled the territory owned by Ossetians before this period and now got busy to legalize this expansion.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - SiD - 09-26-2008
freevoice Wrote:It is still uncertain who exactly started it, since the whole investigation is incomplete, but what I would like to know is who caused a similar war in the 90's, which eventually lead to this.
Georgia of course. S Osetia and Abkchazia wanted to be independent, georgia answered with force.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Nicholas - 09-26-2008
It was the legal right of the people of Abkhazia and S.Osettia to choose to be independent. Georgia has no knowledge of international law.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 09-26-2008
Nicholas Wrote:It was the legal right of the people of Abkhazia and S.Osettia to choose to be independent. Georgia has no knowledge of international law.I've been wondering if anybody protest that E.Kokoity's a puppet of Kremlin...
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Nicholas - 09-26-2008
It seams that your english is not that good. You meant leader
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 09-27-2008
By asking how long ago there was peace in this region I bore in mind that we called it war when the conflict escalated but we had tolerated it when they had been shooting each other occasionally at nights - is it ok?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - gomboreli - 09-28-2008
Kokoity, Zyazikov and Kadyrov are all deranged faces of Putin, worse patterns of puppet Najibullah. Baghapsh of Abkhazians seems decent though.
In order to answer a question whether who started this war one should believe "Vesti" much less, but instead see maps and read historical documents. The war definitely didn't break out on August 7
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Newrussian town - 10-03-2008
Like one of our leader said " Georgia isn't a state it is miserable protectorate..." Every day I understand it more and more. But your master have some problems in economics, may be they simply forgot about their parishioners?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - gomboreli - 10-03-2008
You Ivan better quote less of your bloodthirsty leaders and wider look around for your proxies: Kokoity, Hamas, Sandinistas, Hizbullahis, in perspective probably 'Taleban', North Korea and all imaginable odious forces existing on Earth
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - SiD - 10-03-2008
gomboreli Wrote:You Ivan better quote less of your bloodthirsty leaders and wider look around for your proxies: Kokoity, Hamas, Sandinistas, Hizbullahis, in perspective probably 'Taleban', North Korea and all imaginable odious forces existing on Earth
Main thing that we can act on our own we should not go for promission to Bush. That is called indepandance.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 10-03-2008
SiD Wrote:What would Freud say about it? You know, these unconscious slipperies in language...gomboreli Wrote:You Ivan better quote less of your bloodthirsty leaders and wider look around for your proxies: Kokoity, Hamas, Sandinistas, Hizbullahis, in perspective probably 'Taleban', North Korea and all imaginable odious forces existing on Earth
Main thing that we can act on our own we should not go for promission to Bush. That is called indepandance.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - SiD - 10-03-2008
I would call it simple mistake.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 10-03-2008
SiD Wrote:Main thing that we can act on our own we should not go for promission to Bush. That is called indepandance.
Yalta1945 Wrote:What would Freud say about it? You know, these unconscious slipperies in language...
SiD Wrote:I would call it simple mistake.O.K. According to Freud, these mistakes are not simple - they reveal us smth about a mistaker.
You may make such mistake when you think "in the fan dance."
Explanation: fan dance := a solo dance performed by a nude or nearly nude woman using fans for covering.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - independent - 10-03-2008
Yalta1945 Wrote:SiD Wrote:Main thing that we can act on our own we should not go for promission to Bush. That is called indepandance.Yalta1945 Wrote:What would Freud say about it? You know, these unconscious slipperies in language...
SiD Wrote:I would call it simple mistake.O.K. According to Freud, these mistakes are not simple - they reveal us smth about a mistaker.
You may make such mistake when you think "in the fan dance."
Explanation: fan dance := a solo dance performed by a nude or nearly nude woman using fans for covering.
I suppose Freud explain it coming from subconscious... One don't "think" subconsciousnessly.
And it appears in spoken language not written.
So I believe SiD was right thinking it was a simple mistake
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Yalta1945 - 10-03-2008
independent Wrote:Maybe. But writing is connected to speaking, and subconscious is sub-conscious. Consciousness is like turning on the light to the darkness of the sub-conscious. I do use the enlarged meaning for "thinking" because I can solve very technical tasks without thinking of them consciously. It means "brains" work while I take a rest. If it is not "thinking", then what?Yalta1945 Wrote:SiD Wrote:Main thing that we can act on our own we should not go for promission to Bush. That is called indepandance.Yalta1945 Wrote:What would Freud say about it? You know, these unconscious slipperies in language...
SiD Wrote:I would call it simple mistake.O.K. According to Freud, these mistakes are not simple - they reveal us smth about a mistaker.
You may make such mistake when you think "in the fan dance."
Explanation: fan dance := a solo dance performed by a nude or nearly nude woman using fans for covering.
I suppose Freud explain it coming from subconscious... One don't "think" subconsciousnessly.
And it appears in spoken language not written.
So I believe SiD was right thinking it was a simple mistake
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - SiD - 10-03-2008
Yalta1945 Wrote:IMaybe. But writing is connected to speaking, and subconscious is sub-conscious. Consciousness is like turning on the light to the darkness of the sub-conscious. I do use the enlarged meaning for "thinking" because I can solve very technical tasks without thinking of them consciously. It means "brains" work while I take a rest. If it is not "thinking", then what?
Just for you i will open you great secret. I think in Russian lenquege. But i should write in english dont i? I dont claim that i am good in english so there could be mistakes. Do you need to be genius to understand such simple thing?