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from history - gomboreli - 10-25-2008
1918 was a year of great chaos with throat-slitting all across Russia which spread to the Caucasus a bit where Armenians fought with Georgians, Azeris and Turks, the Ottoman empire attacked both Armenia and Georgia plus Valodya Lenin's staunch pupils rebelled in many areas including in some purely Georgian-populated provinces. The government was busy surpressing these revolts and then blood in Tskhinvali area where Ossetians lived in absolute minority was also shed. Although it had nothing to do with any kind of organized massacre or Russian-style Jewish pogroms of Ossetians. Otherwise they would have been oppressed well beyond Tskhinvali. Unlike Abkhazians, they didn't enjoy any political autonomy so a term 'South Ossetia' could be in the bud only.
Hyena's tactics were used by Russia when it took advantage of Mongolians' disintegration for example. And independence of all freedom-aspiring ex-Russian colonies was achieved only when the Tsarist and Soviet empiries broke up, although along with Baltic nations Georgia led anti-occupation struggle from inside which Moscow several times ruthlessly crushed. 9 April 1989 is just a clear example.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Steven - 10-25-2008
of course, if we return to the past, we'll see many many many points which could have changed the history. Actually, even if one single leader of a very little country was replaced in the past, today we could have had another world, maybe a better one, maybe a worse one.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - zzura - 10-27-2008
Russian occupants have decided to construct a military base in the village Pichori, Abkhazia. They are depriving the local population of their lands and houses.
Russians required from the locals to remove the graves of their relatives from the Pichori cemetery and bury them somewhere away from the territory, otherwise they threaten to explode whole cemetery. The occupants have given deadline until 16:00 today to dip up the coffins.
So now all of you now see real face of occupants
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Steven - 10-27-2008
That's awful. But I it could be a speculation. This news would have appeared on TVs. Could you provide a link to read that? Thanks
Link - gomboreli - 10-28-2008
I've found a link to the news regarding the cemetery, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rustavi2.com/news/news_text.php?id_news=28477&pg=1&im=main&ct=0&wth=">http://rustavi2.com/news/news_text.php? ... &ct=0&wth=</a><!-- m -->, although nothing else has been reported since then.
It's probably worth to mention that the current Russia has already proved to be targeting the dead: it refused the Chechens to bury their leader Maskhadov in stark contrast with its allegedly bloodthirsty Tzarist predecessor, which not only kept the captured Imam Shamil alive, but also let him go on pilgrimage to the holy Islamic sites.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Benn - 10-28-2008
rustavi2.com is an American website. What it did is simply placed a video taken from Georgian news. Now, do you think this news reflected the truth as it it? I doubt. If it was true, giants of Western mass-media wouldn't keep silence.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Guest - 01-13-2009
Idiot Country called Georgia started it!
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Legenda - 01-13-2009
Georgia, Ukraine, Baltic States, Poland are political prostitutes rather than democracies. When you pay them they love you. When you pay them more they starting to shit on your Neighbours.
Anecdote:
Saakashvili stays on bridge and sees the piece of shit passing by in the river waters.
Shit :deg says: Hello my :oO colleague!
What kind of colleague am i for you :quoi ? , Saaki :fi shvilli replies
Shit added: We're both are from the internal organs of the United States :haha
- gomboreli - 01-16-2009
You may call himself googie, legenda, fable, guest, host and any kind of crap but when you stink, you're doomed.
Countries can't be idiotic and non-idiotic - leaders can - and if one fails to realize it, then that xenophobe must be the most complete dumbf*** walking on Earth. While only too narrow-minded people can anyhow mention Saakashvili positively, these stinking bastards above who don't have slight abilities to argue deserve nothing but profanity.
Dirty pieces of crap, look around and you'll surely find a prostitute among your family members!
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - sektor_Gaza - 01-16-2009
It is not a correct question. the right one is:
What for did Saakashvili start war against S.Ossetia?
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - putin - 01-18-2009
Russia started war in South Osetia, deployed army in unacknowledged republic via Rocky tunnel and provoked Georgia for "big bada boom" 8-)
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - sektor_Gaza - 01-19-2009
putin Wrote:Russia started war in South Osetia, deployed army in unacknowledged republic via Rocky tunnel and provoked Georgia for "big bada boom" 8-)
So if you believe in myths so you must believe as well as Georgia was hang out by balls then!
I am so eager for the time when Georgians will wake up and throw down with Saakashvili!
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Chechen - 01-20-2009
I see now what a cruel people can be!!! This is a shame for Russians about showing such a subjective positions. Russia always trys to swollow the little nations, and the rest world watchs it wihtout any serious sanctions against RF. we have forgotten the massacre in Sochy (where russians destroied the ethnic group called ' UBYKH', they don't exist noadays at all). In near past Russians killed over 230 000 Chechen people, and if there are now the 80 % lives in Poverty and in ruins made by russians, the rest 20 % serves for Russian govt.. so tell me where is the Morality and human velues?! have russians become Beasts and animals, or they had always been?!
What about the Georgians, they are our brothers.. Ossetians and Abkhazians forgot that this people helped us even when it was not their duty. that people have forgotten every kind thing what georgians did for them., maybe becouse they think they can be better with Russians, but they forgot that for this nation more important is pipelines (trubki) then respection, consideration for Caucasian people. I fully support Georgians and i know that soon Abkhazians and ossetians anderstand that they make a very big mistake!!
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - sektor_Gaza - 01-21-2009
Chechen Wrote:I see now what a cruel people can be!!! This is a shame for Russians about showing such a subjective positions. Russia always trys to swollow the little nations, and the rest world watchs it wihtout any serious sanctions against RF. we have forgotten the massacre in Sochy (where russians destroied the ethnic group called ' UBYKH', they don't exist noadays at all). In near past Russians killed over 230 000 Chechen people, and if there are now the 80 % lives in Poverty and in ruins made by russians, the rest 20 % serves for Russian govt.. so tell me where is the Morality and human velues?! have russians become Beasts and animals, or they had always been?!
What about the Georgians, they are our brothers.. Ossetians and Abkhazians forgot that this people helped us even when it was not their duty. that people have forgotten every kind thing what georgians did for them., maybe becouse they think they can be better with Russians, but they forgot that for this nation more important is pipelines (trubki) then respection, consideration for Caucasian people. I fully support Georgians and i know that soon Abkhazians and ossetians anderstand that they make a very big mistake!!
This is written by UKRAINIAN FASCIST not by Chechen guy. Have you heard , what military division of Russian army has been first to strike a blow to Georgian Army bombing and killing citizens of Tskhinval?
Answer: Chechen battalion. Yes Chechens were first to beat Georgian Army. Later They were asked by reporter how strong were Georgian soldiers. Chechens said: As Georgian Army saw that Chechen had come to fight - they left everything and ran away to Tbilisi
Russians and Chechens are friends and you, Nazi, can't help it!
- gomboreli - 01-21-2009
I registered with the Euroforum in September and liked it as I found a place where people politely share ideas and opinions. Since then the number of Russians posting here have significantly multiplied which in itself is all right. What makes me laugh is that new ones write identical opinions (ditch the US, the Ukraine, Georgia, viva Putin etc), display similar arrogance, aggression and chauvinism.
The KGB - or whatever it's called nowadays - may have some paid and unpaid personal deliberately or unwillingly writing their Einstein-style ideas. However I modestly advise that one person would post with one name only. Otherwise seeing exactly the same sentences and grammar mistakes from different user names I doubt that you'll fool many. Business is yours though.
Also, you may live in a society where values of tolerance are not especially cherished, but in the EU forum some hysterical screaming, labeling others by Nazi, enemy of the mankind, heretic etc won't give you much credit. It only reveals a real inability of user to argue with decent and serious language.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Kusnetsov - 01-21-2009
This war was initiated by Saakashvili. It'll be more correct. To blame all Georgians for this is incorrect. I don't know much about Georgia, shame on me, but for me this country has been always embodied with Georgy Danelyia and Vahtang Kekabidze. I feel becoming better and nobler when watching their works.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Lenus - 01-23-2009
Kusnetsov Wrote:This war was initiated by Saakashvili. It'll be more correct. To blame all Georgians for this is incorrect. I don't know much about Georgia, shame on me, but for me this country has been always embodied with Georgy Danelyia and Vahtang Kekabidze. I feel becoming better and nobler when watching their works.
Actually the war was started by S.Ossetia.
They started shelling Georgian Villages and left no other chance but to respond. Concentration of Huge military forces by the Russian side of the border and full preparedness for military invasion makes it crystal clear who orchestrated everything.
If you choose to believe, it was up to Saakashvili to create the Massive military buildup by Russian side of the border and attack Tskinvali, be my guest, but we are not the company.
If you still respect Kikabidze, try searching his interview on Youtube.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Kusnetsov - 01-23-2009
Lenus Wrote:Kusnetsov Wrote:This war was initiated by Saakashvili. It'll be more correct. To blame all Georgians for this is incorrect. I don't know much about Georgia, shame on me, but for me this country has been always embodied with Georgy Danelyia and Vahtang Kekabidze. I feel becoming better and nobler when watching their works.
Actually the war was started by S.Ossetia.
They started shelling Georgian Villages and left no other chance but to respond. Concentration of Huge military forces by the Russian side of the border and full preparedness for military invasion makes it crystal clear who orchestrated everything.
If you choose to believe, it was up to Saakashvili to create the Massive military buildup by Russian side of the border and attack Tskinvali, be my guest, but we are not the company.
If you still respect Kikabidze, try searching his interview on Youtube.
I'm not gonna be part of your company. The reason is not that you may be Georgian or that you support Saakashvili. The reason is that I don't know you. I do respect Kikabidze and, of course, I do pay attention at his opinion. (I welcome all opinions, and still I have my own one). Kikabidze is Georgian and as a Georgian he had prefered to stay with Georgians. I think, it describes him as a real man, as a great personality.
But to me, Vahtang Kikabidze and Saakashvili are too different in their very nature. And comparing I will never put them in one row. To compare Kikabidze and Saakashvili is an absurd act.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Taran - 01-23-2009
Russia! All scenario was elaborated by Russia. The same they intended to implement in Ukraine and may be gas conflict was a part of this scenario.
The power of Chechens - gomboreli - 01-30-2009
Sektor_Gaza
Quote:Have you heard , what military division of Russian army has been first to strike a blow to Georgian Army bombing and killing citizens of Tskhinval?
Answer: Chechen battalion. Yes Chechens were first to beat Georgian Army.
I thought a person with such an impressive nickname would likely share ideas about Gaza and overall the ghetto called Palestine. Instead, you chose to make a provocative attempt - which is utterly and totally doomed to failure - to sow hatred between Chechens and Georgians who can somehow themselves figure out who their allies or adversaries are.
Lack of your knowledge in certain fields are indeed remarkable:
- the city where street fightings were going on last summer is Tskhinvali;
- the area around Gaza is called sector Gaza (not sektor);
- battalion in no way can defeat two infantry brigades.
From another point you're close to the truth though. Throughout the history the Chechens have many times shown their courage, inspiration and zeal to fight for freedom. Grossly overestimating their role in August you better remind yourself what a smashing blow Chechnya's non-regular fighters delivered to your mighty troops in 1996. If you've forgotten, I can help you out with an article in your mother tongue:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2008/08/05/59881.shtml">http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/conten ... 9881.shtml</a><!-- m -->
Kadyrov or Yamadaev are as much Chechens as General Vlasov was Russian and fate will hardly spare them as well. They'll follow either 'Haji' Ahmad Kadyrov - finished off like a nasty pig four years ago - or Tolstoy's Haji Murat.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Steven - 01-30-2009
I think in a war, the defending party is stronger and eager for winning because it fights for surviving and not for conquering.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Powerslave - 05-16-2009
I believe this year, Georgia wasn't allowed to enter the Eurovision because of Anti-Putin(russia) lyrics, something like : " We don't want to Put in" (Put in - Putin, get it?)
And so they were disqualified for political lyrics
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Newrussian town - 05-29-2009
Guys from EU, do not listen this Georgian "ambassadors". I am a soldier of State Intelligent Administration (Specnaz-if you want).I have just returned from Gudayta (Military base)-The Republic of Abchazia. There is no occupation there is a liberation!
Re: The power of Chechens - Sergey - 05-29-2009
gomboreli Wrote:Sektor_GazaQuote:Have you heard , what military division of Russian army has been first to strike a blow to Georgian Army bombing and killing citizens of Tskhinval?
Answer: Chechen battalion. Yes Chechens were first to beat Georgian Army.
I thought a person with such an impressive nickname would likely share ideas about Gaza and overall the ghetto called Palestine. Instead, you chose to make a provocative attempt - which is utterly and totally doomed to failure - to sow hatred between Chechens and Georgians who can somehow themselves figure out who their allies or adversaries are.
Lack of your knowledge in certain fields are indeed remarkable:
- the city where street fightings were going on last summer is Tskhinvali;
Mr.Gomborelli, there is no mistake. Tskhinvali is a Gergian variant and Tskhinval is Russian and Ossetian one. The capital of another break-away region - Abkhzia has also two names: Sukhumi and Sukhum. In Russian Moscow is Moskva and Rome is Rim. Nothing wrong with it.
gomboreli Wrote:- the area around Gaza is called sector Gaza (not sektor);
Yes, in English but transliteration from Russian is namely Sektor Gaza. Also, there was a pop group Sektor Gaza.
gomboreli Wrote:- battalion in no way can defeat two infantry brigades.
Of course. However Chechen fighters were very efficient in mountains securing the advance of the main forces. So their contribution was very important.
gomboreli Wrote:From another point you're close to the truth though. Throughout the history the Chechens have many times shown their courage, inspiration and zeal to fight for freedom. Grossly overestimating their role in August you better remind yourself what a smashing blow Chechnya's non-regular fighters delivered to your mighty troops in 1996.
It is true. So you are ready to accept that the Chechen regiments were very helpfull to defeat the Georgian army quickly.
Re: Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia? - Guest - 05-31-2009
SOOOOOOOOOO now russia wants to fight its war by pinning Georgians against Chechens?