Andres Wrote:

independent Wrote:Our army could easily smash those Island and force it to remain with Finland. But it is not the way thinks are
dealed in democratic countries.

You are absolutely right, this is true democracy!

But what Georgia is doing is Violence!
Georgia don`t let to S.Osetia and Abhazia to be independent. It simple to understand.
And Georgia call it Democracy, it`s hypocrisy. And instead of peacfull negotiations began to use arms.
USA lost true value of word 'democracy' with their wars, and Georgia trying to copy it.

Eka Wrote:YOU YOUR OWN OR NATO?
i SUPPOSE YOU ARE NOT fINLAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE CALM CHARACTERS!
BY THE WAY WE HAVE GOOD HUMOR SENS !

independent Wrote:

Mariam Wrote:Listen YOUr way of thinking is very funny. With that mentality, everyone in the world can say they wnat indefandance and start fighting? Villeages, CIties, even street can be a state? IS it your was of thinking? :quoi

I will create som union. In this union will be representied e.g. 1000 GEorgian. Then we will come in finland (????, or maybe in MOscow), and we will say we want to an indepandance and want HELSINKI (MOSCOW). Will you (personally) accept it and say, come on... let them live here, THOSE people need an independance. :haha
I'm waiting for your reply.

Funny You ask that :nonnon

In Finland we have an territory called Ahvenanmaa (Island between Finland and Sweden )and its people found that they might want to be a part of Sweden better than Finland. There has been local polls of that issue - and so far polls has shown that more than half of them are wiling to remain with Finland.
When votings there shows that majority will not belong to Finland - Thats it, they will immediately get what they want. AND we are not telling them - move away, we keep that Island.

Ahvenanmaa - Population ca. 30000 people
- area ca. 2000 km2 ( half of South-Ossetias)

Mariam Wrote:

Andres Wrote:

independent Wrote:Our army could easily smash those Island and force it to remain with Finland. But it is not the way thinks are
dealed in democratic countries.

You are absolutely right, this is true democracy!

But what Georgia is doing is Violence!
Georgia don`t let to S.Osetia and Abhazia to be independent. It simple to understand.
And Georgia call it Democracy, it`s hypocrisy. And instead of peacfull negotiations began to use arms.
USA lost true value of word 'democracy' with their wars, and Georgia trying to copy it.

I have a question? WHY RUSSIAN U DISGUISE YOURSELVES? ANDREAS - THE SAME ANDREI. DON'T U LIKE YOUR NAME? :haha

independent Wrote:

Eka Wrote:YOU YOUR OWN OR NATO?
i SUPPOSE YOU ARE NOT fINLAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE CALM CHARACTERS!
BY THE WAY WE HAVE GOOD HUMOR SENS !

We don't belong to NATO - no need for that. We have learned to keep independent ourself...
Not by flexing muscles belonging to someone else ...

Eka Wrote:

Andres Wrote:

independent Wrote:Our army could easily smash those Island and force it to remain with Finland. But it is not the way thinks are
dealed in democratic countries.

You are absolutely right, this is true democracy!

But what Georgia is doing is Violence!
Georgia don`t let to S.Osetia and Abhazia to be independent. It simple to understand.
And Georgia call it Democracy, it`s hypocrisy. And instead of peacfull negotiations began to use arms.
USA lost true value of word 'democracy' with their wars, and Georgia trying to copy it.

cHECHNIA WANTS TO BE INDEPANDAT TOO BUT RUSSIANS DONT LET THEM TO DO THIS.wHAT ABOUT THIS?

Mariam Wrote:AS for OSetians and ABkhaz people we don't say them go!!! But if people divorce and they don't want to live together, then the owner of the house is staying there. NO? :quoi

Mariam Wrote:AND PLEASE ANSWER EKA"S QUESTION. CHECHEN PEOPLE WANTED AND STILL WANT TO BE INDEFENDENT< WHY RUSSIA DOESN"T GIVE THEM THIS FREEDOM? WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? :quoi

Eka Wrote:bEFORE I LEEV I WILL GIVE YOU ADVISE - RUSH TO NATO.
RUSSIANS ARE COMING! BUT THEY RESPECT 5-TH COLONES IN COUNTRY THEY CONCQERNE SO YOU WILL BE OK.

Eka Wrote:i KNOW SOME FINLAND CITIZENS BY THE WAY AND THEY THINK TOTALY DIFFFERENT FROM YOU.

Lor Wrote:ANOTHER Russian argument ..." keep your mouth closed" ... Why because truth hurts? Or maybe you don't want to hear it? Why is it better for us to shut up? Are you gonna invade us like you did to Georgia?? UHHH i'm scared!! As usual the fascist in you says:"You have no right speeking about anything".... because you think that only you, Russians have all the rights!!!! WE, the rest of the world are complete idiots!!! :nonnon

Lor Wrote:ok Sid!Next time you post something on your name, make sure you SPECIFY that somebody else made that comment. Otherwise how can i dream what you meant? Am i supposed to go on each forum to keep up with what everybody says?

Overall i'm not a fan of ignorance! I don't care if it comes from a Georgian or from a Russian! Let's try to be polite and listen to each other! Most of the rude feedbacks i got were from Russian people, that's why i assumed that the comment was yours.

Extremism is not good! This argument is getting dumber and dumber! Let's stay on the topic and try to post things in English! For as long as people keep being polite, everything's gonna be ok.

SiD Wrote:

Lor Wrote:ok Sid!Next time you post something on your name, make sure you SPECIFY that somebody else made that comment. Otherwise how can i dream what you meant? Am i supposed to go on each forum to keep up with what everybody says?

Overall i'm not a fan of ignorance! I don't care if it comes from a Georgian or from a Russian! Let's try to be polite and listen to each other! Most of the rude feedbacks i got were from Russian people, that's why i assumed that the comment was yours.

Extremism is not good! This argument is getting dumber and dumber! Let's stay on the topic and try to post things in English! For as long as people keep being polite, everything's gonna be ok.

Well Lor i have seen no opologie but seen an interesting thing. If someone said something rude HE HAS to be Russian, if bullet killed innocend it HAS to be Russian bullet, if someone is wrong he HAS to be Russian just becouse you think that Russia is source of all evil. You do not admit that you wrong you just say that bad russian have not SPCIFIED you who told this. And you showed no "rightous anger" to him that you shown to me. It is becouse i am russian right? sorry but it sounds like rusophobia. Or double standarts.

Lor Wrote:Dear Sid i currently live in Odessa( i know it's in Ukraine but majority of people speak Russian and think they are Russians). My husband is Russian and lots of my friends... therefore i'm FAR from being rusophobic!
I'm actually shocked to see the Russian citizens' reaction to this horrible war. So far none has been up to open discussion. They all ignored my posts that contained EU diplomats' analysis. Just because it was against their ideas. I wish they would feel compassion and mourn for the victims instead.None of the Georgians on this forum was rude to me and i can't say the same about the Russians(except for Gift)!

I know that not ALL the Russians cheer for this war and show off with their military power. I know that there are people in Russia who are against this war. The problem is that i didn't see any on this forum, except for one.

P.S:I'm sorry for the previous misunderstanding.

SiD Wrote:

Lor Wrote:Dear Sid i currently live in Odessa( i know it's in Ukraine but majority of people speak Russian and think they are Russians). My husband is Russian and lots of my friends... therefore i'm FAR from being rusophobic!
I'm actually shocked to see the Russian citizens' reaction to this horrible war. So far none has been up to open discussion. They all ignored my posts that contained EU diplomats' analysis. Just because it was against their ideas. I wish they would feel compassion and mourn for the victims instead.None of the Georgians on this forum was rude to me and i can't say the same about the Russians(except for Gift)!

I know that not ALL the Russians cheer for this war and show off with their military power. I know that there are people in Russia who are against this war. The problem is that i didn't see any on this forum, except for one.

P.S:I'm sorry for the previous misunderstanding.

Well Lor your position is pro Georgian why should they be rude to you? Actualy you called brainwashed everybody who disagrees with you (all tyrants are calling traitors all who disagrees wit them). And you call yourself tolerant. Besides you shown what you thinking about "IamGEORGIA"guy when thought it were my words, so comment other georgian statments. I can provide you with some of thier nonsenses if you wish. Would you be so furius on them? If you not russophobic it means you use double standarts.
Thank you for apologie. And if you think that Russians are happy about civilian loses in Georgia, or facts of looting you surely mistaken. Every sane man knows that death of innocent people from any side is tragedy, and of course our soldiers must behaeve well, if they are looting, mistreating population or doing anything like that it is real shame. But we know that war was neccecery, could we just abandone our citizens and peacekeepers, NO! Saakashvili wanted war and war he got.

Mariam Wrote:One interesting finding and I wish to share it with you. According to my observation every third post (exept those giving a feedback or offending each other) which is place by our Russian neighbours contains text directed again Saakashvili. OUtcome, So our Russian representatives here are agianst Saakasvili and his way of managing the country. Interesting yeah. THey don't like that he knows too many languages, they don't like when during the presence of high range diplomats here in Georgia he speacks English, many more.... The same we can say about russian government. They don't support Saakashvilis political direction and therefore not only critiseze but show the real hate toward him. SO willl anyone here convince me to listen to all these russians representativs who speak the same language as their government? No. OUTCOME - You are just making the tipycal propaganda here.

Eka Wrote:War was neededfor russians first of all. My opinion is that as usualy during wars some 5-10 people becames bilioneers and you know what make me to think so?
Condition of russia army I am observing in Georgia. They must be feeded, they mest have normal hygen and normal clothing .butto look at them is so difficult. They are like beggers, some of themare asking bread at water to georgains in villages, mostly they are not asking but taking it with force. They look ill. As my friens who is nurse in Village igoeti said to me many of them have severe diahrea, perhaps they are eating many frutes with durty heands. ( fruits are thie main food here). I suppose some people are becoming reacher and reacher as thiscampein is going ahead, because rusiian army is financed well and someone is not giving supplies to army but having villas in france?

So corraption is huge as I understand and it will turn back.

Quote:Georgia and South Ossetia at war

independent Wrote:

Mariam Wrote:One interesting finding and I wish to share it with you. According to my observation every third post (exept those giving a feedback or offending each other) which is place by our Russian neighbours contains text directed again Saakashvili. OUtcome, So our Russian representatives here are agianst Saakasvili and his way of managing the country. Interesting yeah. THey don't like that he knows too many languages, they don't like when during the presence of high range diplomats here in Georgia he speacks English, many more.... The same we can say about russian government. They don't support Saakashvilis political direction and therefore not only critiseze but show the real hate toward him. SO willl anyone here convince me to listen to all these russians representativs who speak the same language as their government? No. OUTCOME - You are just making the tipycal propaganda here.

If You read New York Times article:
U.S. Watched as a Squabble Turned Into a Showdown

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You can find some reasons why so many criticize him.