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Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-24-2008
fred1 Wrote:Principles should always be placed ahead of sectarian utility.
We must congratulate the Danish government for allowing freedom of speech that is fast disappearing in other African and Arabian countries.
My sensibilities would have been offended if the publication of the cartoons had not been allowed.
This is meant to be an illustration of the fact that if you pander to the sensibilities of everybody, freedom of speech would be seriously disrupted or wiped out.
Is it not ironical that those people that claim that religion represents love are behind such episodes as the attack on the twin towers in the USA.
Religion is simply licensed insanity and always opposes any viewpoint that is not in line with their own whether it makes sense or not.
We must stick to fixed principles at the expense of changing religious emotions.
Fred1
I do not want to sound harsh, but there's no choice. These people want peace and tolerance, but yet they call for killings. Hmmm so where's the love and tolerance? Religion is politics and nothing else, but some people do not realize it. Spirituality unites humanity, religion divides it.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - erik m. zakerman - 03-24-2008
Those against Islam and the last great Prophet of One God, have gone senile or what. Its a shame. these people have nothing better to do with their time or their life. What if the muslims posted dirty cartoons of jesus and moses, no matter what the justification, would you appreciate it. I don't think so. So whats with this freedom of expression _rap. This is just a secret conspiracy to check out how sensitive the muslims are today about their faith. I invite you all to read the Koran. The Koran tells all and vividly how this is going to be. No need for this cloak and dagger stuff.
Erik m.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-25-2008
erik m. zakerman Wrote:Those against Islam and the last great Prophet of One God, have gone senile or what. Its a shame. these people have nothing better to do with their time or their life. What if the muslims posted dirty cartoons of jesus and moses, no matter what the justification, would you appreciate it. I don't think so. So whats with this freedom of expression _rap. This is just a secret conspiracy to check out how sensitive the muslims are today about their faith. I invite you all to read the Koran. The Koran tells all and vividly how this is going to be. No need for this cloak and dagger stuff.
Erik m.
Mr. Eric, I have read both the Bible and Koran. Now, no where in that book have I read anything about killing people, not being tolerant, ect, ect. Funny things and cartoons have been written about jesus, have you seen the christians go crazy. WTH is wrong with some of you weakos, just take a laugh, I am sure prophet Mohamed was going to laugh if he was here. My God, life is short to take every word seriously, unless is a loss of human life. People get serious, I can't believe the muslim community never condemns their terrorists, but find a justification that Allah somehow called them. That story could be sold in the middle ages, not today. :roll:
If some people that believe in a religion that they are so passionate, and do not want anyone to talk about it and can't take jokes, than they should go back to their country where they are accepted, and they will let other people in their own country fell free and express themselves freely under their laws. The muslim community should focus on how to progress more within themselves by educating people, being more open minded and teaching their youngsters that the world does not revolve about them.
People from every religion just grow up!!!!
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - hend - 03-26-2008
i believe that freedom should stop at hurting and insulting others
i may stand that somebody insult me in the street, but i can't stand this for prophet MOHAMAD may peace and pray be upon him
those who made these cartoons, are ignorant about him he is the mercy sent by Allah to this world.
prophet MOHAMMED is the model of tolerance for humanity, between different ethnicities and different religions followers ,
with him came the end of slavery , woman restored her dignity , the respect for the parents even if they had a different religious belief so that their sons and daughters should still deal with them in deep care and respect or it would be a great sin.
before the hijra " immigration" he -may peace be upon him- has suffered all sorts of pain caused by his own tribe and uncles , however muslims were asked never to hurt any of them, not in money, honor, security , or physically.
muslims used their swords only after establishing a state , and they used it only in wars and never stapt a person from behind whatever his belief is, and even in a state of war it was fully prohibited to kill a woman or a child or an old man from the enemy camp,as well as it was equally prohibitd to cut a plant.
the state that was headed by the prophet- may peace be upon him- had a minority of jews and other religions followers who entertained the rights of what is now called citizenship, centuries before you knew it.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-27-2008
Mr Hend as a follower of Mohamed, make sure you spread the word of peace and tolerance to your fellow believers who blow themselves up. How about take some responsibilities for your selves, and put all your rich peoples fault who are building the richest cities in the world, leave their people in ignorance.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - luoge - 03-27-2008
If, as stated by Hend, "prophet MOHAMMED is the model of tolerance for humanity", then why do muslims show so much INtolerance for people who have different views, and express them by publishing cartoons? God is big, what does he care about puny insults? Does an adult get upset if some small child, maybe from childish ignorance, says something impolite to him? Of course not - usually he will just laugh.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-27-2008
luoge Wrote:If, as stated by Hend, "prophet MOHAMMED is the model of tolerance for humanity", then why do muslims show so much INtolerance for people who have different views, and express them by publishing cartoons? God is big, what does he care about puny insults? Does an adult get upset if some small child, maybe from childish ignorance, says something impolite to him? Of course not - usually he will just laugh.
That's because they do not teach tolerance to their children. It is really sad, cause as I mentioned, if Mohamed was still alive, he was going to have a laugh himself. But ignorant people that still worry about stupid things such as these, instead of putting their heads together as a community to change the way of how terrorists come out of their religion. They do not find solution to make their population smarter, but let them be stupid and ignorant, cause is in the rich muslim communities benefits, to have most of them sound and look like monkeys in this day and age. And when someone tells them the truth, they start bulling, cause they have no clue how to talk.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-28-2008
Here are some of the tolerance that is taught to young people in Qur'an.
Quote:Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - raymond - 03-29-2008
Talking about freedom...the moslem must have their own freedom too..to believe their own religion...and the other must to be respect it...
so..if you want the other people respect you..so you must respect the other too...that about freedom responsibility.
so..It's usuall why the moslem people was very mad about that cartoon..which affronting their holy propet.
The question is why moslem people never affronting the Jesus (Isa)? in the fact, Jesus or Isa is their holy propet too. In Islam must believe about 25 holy propets and the one of Jesus or Isa..so..why you (Christian and Jews) not to be respect their believes?
you always talking about freedom..but you're never know exactly about the word mean..
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - fim - 03-29-2008
I think, it's kind of crime and disrespect to insult others religion, it's similar to a criminal puting hand on someone others property..., and it it rude to trye to impose your ovn religion to others (behaving like huligan) whot ever religion is, and is unhuman to reep parts of buddy are prosecute any people ass one excuse crime are religion(only if it's big crime, than by the law).
As for a Denish people, they are wery provokative hegemonist anti muslim people, and in-direct plane from government is lanched dhis kind of provocation to huliganise people around the world pro and anti religions, espacialy to make europian friendship extremism for them self.
I have live in DK manu years, and I know them wery well, that's why I'm writing this mesage!
Sorry for the grama!
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-30-2008
Ej Danish people are the rightful people of the Danish land. Let the Danish go to Arabia, and do what the muslim community does, and you will see how they will be treated. WHy cause they have their own laws. Why should people in their own land feel entrapped, cause some newcomers, are sensitive. It has to be the newcomers who should get used to the new laws, not the right owners of that land.
The muslim community looks for blame on other people who are telling them the truth, instead of facing the real situation that comes within their community. The muslim community by no condemning the terrorists, and try to become civilized, they allow the terrorist and even their children, to use the Holy Koran, as the license to kill. Eveytime a terrorism happens from the muslims they justify it by using the Holy Koran who told them to do it, so what is so offensive if I may ask, since the muslim community is not standing up and saving their Holy book from the people that have hijacked it and use it for their personal political gain and madness. They are too quick to judge and condemn other people, who's land has been occupied by people that they do not identify with.
Danish people are in their land and have their own rights. If the muslim society wants their rights as they see it, they should go back where they belong and everyone will be happy.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - Muslim_009 - 03-30-2008
This is so absord! Western countries have the perspective of expressing their ideas freely. What is free about that if you harm other people by exaggerating in doing so. Denmark, as I think, was a country that had a good relashionship with Muslims and vice-verse. But, all those approaches changed after those horrbile things happened. Just tell by which way did Denmark benefited from doing that?!!!
Why do you say that Muslim people looks to find blame on other people? It is conspiciously done to harm Muslims, so why Muslims should be silent about what they see that is objectionable by any other people whom their religion is humiliated. It is so extermly disgusting that you foster those cartoons.
I really denounce that people who are involved in doing those sort of horrendous things.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - gulshan Rasool - 03-31-2008
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Is London’s future Islamic?
Is London’s future Islamic?
It’s the capital’s fastest growing religion, based on noble traditions and compassionate principles, yet Islam can still be tainted by mistrust and misunderstanding. Here Time Out argues that an Islamic London would be a better place
The noise from the expectant crowd hushed to a murmur as an open-backed lorry that had driven slowly up the Mall – known since the Islamic revolution of 2021 as The Way of the Martyrs – nudged its way through the thousands gathered in Mohammad Sidique Khan Square. On the lorry, two masked guards held a young man, black hood over his head; a quiver running through the material suggested he knew what was coming.
The lorry halted by the plinth that had once held Marc Quinn’s sculpture ’Alison Lapper Pregnant’ – long since removed as an insult to decency – and was now the place of public execution. A rope noose attached to a wire cable hung from a mechanised hoist. The main doors of what had been the National Gallery flung open and an Imam walked down the steps of the new Institute of Islamic Jurisprudence, opened only a week before by Sultan Charles, Prince of Islam and protector of the faithful in England.
20 Skyline 3.jpgThe official executioner placed a stepladder against the plinth. The lorry pulled up and the young man was pushed out, then forced up the ladder. The noose was forced over the condemned man’s head. The crowd chanted ’Allahu akbar’ (God is greater than everything).The hoist driver put his finger on a green button … Okay, not really – that’s a hysterical, right-wing nightmare of a future Muslim London: where an cruel alien creed is forced on a liberal city. A society where women are second-class citizens, same sex relationships a crime and Sharia law enforces terrible public disfigurement and death. But the reality is a long, long way from this dark vision.
For a start, Islam is not an alien religion to London. At the end of World War I the city sat at the heart of an Empire that had 160 million Muslim subjects, 80 million in India alone. London was the largest Islamic capital in the world. Forty years later and the end of the Empire, unrest and war and poverty in south Asia had lead to mass immigration to the mother country and London became a Muslim capital in another sense.
According to the 2001 census there are 607,083 Muslims living in London (310,477 men and 296,606 women). The majority of Muslims live in the east of the city and, by 2012, the Muslim Council of Britain estimates that the Muslim population of Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest and Hackney will be 250,000. There are plans afoot (though no formal application has yet been submitted) to build the UKs biggest mosque – capable of welcoming 40,000 worshippers – near the 2012 Olympic site, a move which has prompted predictable outrage from some quarters. Consequently, Muslim disillionment with a reactionary and often ill-informed press is at an all time high.
But rather than fear the inevitable changes this will bring to London, or buy in to a racist representation of all Muslims as terrorists, we should recognise both what Islam has given this city already, and the advantages it would bring across a wide range of areas in the future.
Public health
On the surface, Islamic health doesn’t look good: the 2001 census showed that 24 per cent of Muslim women and 21 per cent of Muslim men suffered long-term illness and disability. But these are factors of social conditions rather than religion. In fact, Islam offers Londoners potential health benefits: the Muslim act of prayer is designed to keep worshippers fit, their joints supple and, at five times a day, their stomachs trim. The regular washing of the feet and hands required before prayers promotes public hygiene and would reduce the transmission of superbugs in London’s hospitals.
Alcohol is haram, or forbidden, to Muslims. As London is above the national average for alcohol-related deaths in males, with 17.6 per 100,000 people (Camden has 31.6 per 100,000 males), turning all the city’s pubs into juice bars would have a massive positive effect on public health. Forbid alcohol throughout the country, and you’d avoid many of the 22,000 alcohol-related deaths and the £7.3 billion national bill for alcohol-related crime and disorder each year.
Ecology
’The world is green and beautiful,’ said the prophet Muhammad, ’and Allah has appointed you his guardian over it.’ The Islamic concept of halifa or trusteeship obliges Muslims to look after the natural world and Muhammad was one of the first ever environmentalists, advocating hima – areas where wildlife and forestry are protected. So we could expect more public parks under Islam, but halifa also applies to recycling: in 2006, 12,000 Muslims attended a series of sermons at the East London Mosque explaining the theological evidence for a link between behaving in an environmentally sustainable way and the Islamic faith.
Education
Presently, Muslim students perform less well than non-Muslim students. In inner London, 37 per cent of 16 to 24-year-old Muslims have no qualifications (the figure for the general population of the same age and location is 25 per cent). When it comes to university education the picture is equally gloomy: 16 to 24-year-old Muslims are half as likely to have degree level or above qualification than other inner London young people.
Again, social factors rather than religion have led to this state of affairs. Young Muslims in London are often of south Asian origin and therefore more likely to live in households where English is not the first language, more likely to encounter racism (both intentional and unintentional) during their education, and more likely to suffer from poverty and bad housing conditions.
But Tahir Alam, education spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, claims Muslim children do better in their own faith schools than in the mainstream state sector: ’Muslim schools have their own distinct ethos. They use the children’s faith and heritage as primary motivators to provide the backdrop for their education and behaviour. This ethos is consistent with the messages that children are getting at home, so it is a very coherent operation between the home and the school.’
If Islam became the dominant religion in London the same ethos could be applied to schooling across swathes of underprivileged and deprived areas of the city. This could have a revolutionary effect on educational achievement and, perhaps just as importantly, general levels of discipline and self-respect among London’s young people. While controversy rages over faith schools, there are 37 Muslim schools in London. As of 2004, only five were state schools, but there is growing pressure to bring more into the state sector which, according to Alam, will ’help raise achievement for many sectors of the Muslim community. Many private Muslim schools are under-resourced and if they can be brought into the state sector this valuable experience can be extended to more children.’
Food
Application of halal (Arabic for ’permissable’) dietary laws across London would free us at a stroke from our addiction to junk food, and the general adoption of a south Asian diet rich in fruit juice, rice and vegetables with occasional mutton or chicken would have a drastic effect on obesity, hyperactivity, attention deficit disorders and associated public health problems. As curry is already Londoners’ and the nation’s favourite food (see our Brick Lane food feature), it would be a relatively easy process to encourage the adoption of such a diet. Not eating would be important as well. The annual fasting month of Ramadan instils self-discipline, courtesy and social cohesion. And Londoners would benefit philosophically and physically from even a short period when we weren’t constantly ramming food into our mouths.
Inter-faith relations
In an Islamic London, Christians and Jews – with their allegiance to the Bible and the Talmud – would be protected as ’peoples of the book’. Hindus and Sikhs manage to live alongside a large Muslim population in India, so why not here? Although England has a long tradition of religious bigotry against, for instance, Roman Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that under the guiding hand of Islam a civilised accommodation could be made among faith groups in London. This welcoming stance already exists in the capital in the form of the City Circle (see Yahya Birt interview), which encourages inter-faith dialogue and open discussion.
Arts
Some of the finest art in London is already Islamic. The Jameel Gallery at the V&A houses ’ceramics, textiles, carpets, metalwork, glass and woodwork, which date from the great days of the Islamic caliphate of the eighth and ninth century’ up until the turn of the last century. Or take a free daily tour of the Addis Gallery of Islamic art (at the British Museum). London-based Nasser David Khalili, an Iranian-born Jew, has amassed what is considered to be the world’s largest private collection of Islamic art. Islamic influences have also flourished in other areas of the arts, with novelists, comedians (Birmingham-born Shazia Mirza was an instant hit on the London circuit), and music (from rappers Mecca2Medina on, to the less in-your-face Yusuf Islam).
Social justice
Each Muslim is obliged to pay zakat, a welfare tax of 2.5 per cent of annual income, that is distributed to the poor and the needy. If the working population of London, 5.2 million, was predominantly Muslim this would produce approximately £3.2bn each year. More importantly, everyone would be obliged to consider those Londoners who haven’t shared their good fortune. London would become a little less cruel.
Race relations
Under Islam all ethnicities are equal. Once you have submitted to Allah you are a Muslim – it doesn’t matter what colour you are.
End of story...
Michael Hodges, Tue Jun 5 2007
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons for Ric Lindsey - raymond - 03-31-2008
ric Lindsey is an Atheis..so even Jesus..he was not beleive..as a Satan's followers..he just believe of Lucifer as his master...
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-31-2008
Muslim_009 Wrote:This is so absord! Western countries have the perspective of expressing their ideas freely. What is free about that if you harm other people by exaggerating in doing so. Denmark, as I think, was a country that had a good relashionship with Muslims and vice-verse. But, all those approaches changed after those horrbile things happened. Just tell by which way did Denmark benefited from doing that?!!!
Why do you say that Muslim people looks to find blame on other people? It is conspiciously done to harm Muslims, so why Muslims should be silent about what they see that is objectionable by any other people whom their religion is humiliated. It is so extermly disgusting that you foster those cartoons.
I really denounce that people who are involved in doing those sort of horrendous things.
I am sorry what conspiracy? So who has done all those killings, and terrorism, I can see you did not do it, but members of your community have. Otherwise they would notjust claim in the name of Koran they'll kill. Guys you have to change the way you portray you religion, if you say that Islam is the religion of peace than I believe you, but with what I see happening, and what I hear with my own ears some of the followers, which the muslim community does not stand up and take them by the horn, so the muslim community can have peace within their religion. Look it the idiots in Iraq, even though there are the Americans right now, why in the heck would they kill each other. Is the same religion they believe after all. No one says do not believe in God or your religion, but do not put it so much in other peoples faces that it really just makes them wander, if we come from the same planet or human race. Guys is 21st century, we should go forward not backwards.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 03-31-2008
gulshan Rasool Wrote:..
Is London’s future Islamic?
Sorry that story only wont do it. You have to take drastic measures as a community to bring all those radicals that have hijacked your religion and are using it as a license to kill people. I wish all of you can ask yourself that, is very simple.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - rida - 04-01-2008
hi
i strongly condemn these kind of acts,we should respect the others religions as well,i requst to all muslims,show tolerance bcas demontration is nt the right way to solve this problem only discussion is a solid solution of this problem.Those people who r involed in this criminal act r "educated illitrate"so through discussion u can convey the true msg of THE HOLY PROPHET MOHAMMAD PBUH
Let me clear one thing to the publisher of these cartoons,that is
u ll nt find this kind of act(making cartoons of ur prophets) from muslims in reaction,bcas muslims love all the prophets,they beleive that all the prophets r true,fair n nice,whether he is JESUS or MOSES,they believe that if they ll do insult of any prophet,they ll b quit for their religion islam,
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - val - 04-01-2008
Denmark is a democratic country and the islamic countires are taking advantage of this . Just look how are the ordinary people and their guvernments from the islamic countries are behaving with the people of other religions in those countries and you'll understand that there is no space for letting Islam gaining more influence over Europe.
Let's hope that european governments will act firmly but not at all unjust towards muslims , who , after all , are visitors , in Europe .
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - Muslim_009 - 04-02-2008
raymond Wrote:No one says do not believe in God or your religion, but do not put it so much in other peoples faces that it really just makes them wander, if we come from the same planet or human race. Guys is 21st century, we should go forward not backwards.
This is so outragious. We are attacked and we are supposed to show tolerance? What is this?
Who puts things in other people's faces? What do you say about the missionary compaigns that are held?
Let me tell you some thing(s),
As the TVs and Internet have incredebly evolved the Islamic countries have their own position in this field. We have the right to demonestrate our thoughts and belife.
It is 21st century, but this doesn't mean to oblige Muslims to leave their religion and act the way that non-Muslims like.
The problem is people who practise terrorism and use Islam and the Holly Quran for their own interest are not welcomed by any Muslim who really understands Islam Furthermore,a conflict has taken place. And the western people can not, or they do not want to, the see real picture of Islam.
I respect other people's beliefe, and I wanted to be respected through respecting my religion.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - b-j - 04-02-2008
AuLoNa Wrote:Ej Danish people are the rightful people of the Danish land. Let the Danish go to Arabia, and do what the muslim community does, and you will see how they will be treated. WHy cause they have their own laws. Why should people in their own land feel entrapped, cause some newcomers, are sensitive. It has to be the newcomers who should get used to the new laws, not the right owners of that land.---------------------------------
The muslim community looks for blame on other people who are telling them the truth, instead of facing the real situation that comes within their community. The muslim community by no condemning the terrorists, and try to become civilized, they allow the terrorist and even their children, to use the Holy Koran, as the license to kill. Eveytime a terrorism happens from the muslims they justify it by using the Holy Koran who told them to do it, so what is so offensive if I may ask, since the muslim community is not standing up and saving their Holy book from the people that have hijacked it and use it for their personal political gain and madness. They are too quick to judge and condemn other people, who's land has been occupied by people that they do not identify with.
Danish people are in their land and have their own rights. If the muslim society wants their rights as they see it, they should go back where they belong and everyone will be happy.
It is not the case of your or their laws, The issue is the minimum respect to the other, to their person, their religion, their values.
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For 1400 years Muslims ruled Christians, they did not force them to stop their respect for trinity, though it is considered blasphemous in Islam, and bear insult to both God and Christ.
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They are free to believe in trinity, we can talk with them about it, BUT IT IS FORBIDDEN BY THE Quran TO SAY SOMETHING BAD IN FRONT OF A Christian.
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Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides god, lest they out of spite revile god
s.VI. 108
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The problem with Muslims abusing or misusing Islam is a pan religion thing, we need to give Muslims basics of Islam and Arabic to better comprehend their religion, and at the same time have a law to respect others culture.
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Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - raymond - 04-03-2008
b-j Wrote:AuLoNa Wrote:Ej Danish people are the rightful people of the Danish land. Let the Danish go to Arabia, and do what the muslim community does, and you will see how they will be treated. WHy cause they have their own laws. Why should people in their own land feel entrapped, cause some newcomers, are sensitive. It has to be the newcomers who should get used to the new laws, not the right owners of that land.---------------------------------
The muslim community looks for blame on other people who are telling them the truth, instead of facing the real situation that comes within their community. The muslim community by no condemning the terrorists, and try to become civilized, they allow the terrorist and even their children, to use the Holy Koran, as the license to kill. Eveytime a terrorism happens from the muslims they justify it by using the Holy Koran who told them to do it, so what is so offensive if I may ask, since the muslim community is not standing up and saving their Holy book from the people that have hijacked it and use it for their personal political gain and madness. They are too quick to judge and condemn other people, who's land has been occupied by people that they do not identify with.
Danish people are in their land and have their own rights. If the muslim society wants their rights as they see it, they should go back where they belong and everyone will be happy.
It is not the case of your or their laws, The issue is the minimum respect to the other, to their person, their religion, their values.
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For 1400 years Muslims ruled Christians, they did not force them to stop their respect for trinity, though it is considered blasphemous in Islam, and bear insult to both God and Christ.
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They are free to believe in trinity, we can talk with them about it, BUT IT IS FORBIDDEN BY THE Quran TO SAY SOMETHING BAD IN FRONT OF A Christian.
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Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides god, lest they out of spite revile god
s.VI. 108
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The problem with Muslims abusing or misusing Islam is a pan religion thing, we need to give Muslims basics of Islam and Arabic to better comprehend their religion, and at the same time have a law to respect others culture.
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It's very different between Arab and Islam...
probably Arabic is Islam...But Islam is not an Arabian...Islam is universal...Islam not belongs to Arab...
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - b-j - 04-03-2008
raymond Wrote:---------------------------------------------b-j Wrote:AuLoNa Wrote:Ej Danish people are the rightful people of the Danish land. Let the Danish go to Arabia, and do what the muslim community does, and you will see how they will be treated. WHy cause they have their own laws. Why should people in their own land feel entrapped, cause some newcomers, are sensitive. It has to be the newcomers who should get used to the new laws, not the right owners of that land.---------------------------------
The muslim community looks for blame on other people who are telling them the truth, instead of facing the real situation that comes within their community. The muslim community by no condemning the terrorists, and try to become civilized, they allow the terrorist and even their children, to use the Holy Koran, as the license to kill. Eveytime a terrorism happens from the muslims they justify it by using the Holy Koran who told them to do it, so what is so offensive if I may ask, since the muslim community is not standing up and saving their Holy book from the people that have hijacked it and use it for their personal political gain and madness. They are too quick to judge and condemn other people, who's land has been occupied by people that they do not identify with.
Danish people are in their land and have their own rights. If the muslim society wants their rights as they see it, they should go back where they belong and everyone will be happy.
It is not the case of your or their laws, The issue is the minimum respect to the other, to their person, their religion, their values.
-
For 1400 years Muslims ruled Christians, they did not force them to stop their respect for trinity, though it is considered blasphemous in Islam, and bear insult to both God and Christ.
-
They are free to believe in trinity, we can talk with them about it, BUT IT IS FORBIDDEN BY THE Quran TO SAY SOMETHING BAD IN FRONT OF A Christian.
-
Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides god, lest they out of spite revile god
s.VI. 108
-
The problem with Muslims abusing or misusing Islam is a pan religion thing, we need to give Muslims basics of Islam and Arabic to better comprehend their religion, and at the same time have a law to respect others culture.
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It's very different between Arab and Islam...
probably Arabic is Islam...But Islam is not an Arabian...Islam is universal...Islam not belongs to Arab...
Yes Islam is not Arabic but Arabic lang. is the matter which shape the text, pls who don't master Arabic can be good Muslims, but they cann't be experts in Islam.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - AuLoNa - 04-04-2008
Muslim_009 Wrote:raymond Wrote:No one says do not believe in God or your religion, but do not put it so much in other peoples faces that it really just makes them wander, if we come from the same planet or human race. Guys is 21st century, we should go forward not backwards.
This is so outragious. We are attacked and we are supposed to show tolerance? What is this?
Who puts things in other people's faces? What do you say about the missionary compaigns that are held?
Let me tell you some thing(s),
As the TVs and Internet have incredebly evolved the Islamic countries have their own position in this field. We have the right to demonestrate our thoughts and belife.
It is 21st century, but this doesn't mean to oblige Muslims to leave their religion and act the way that non-Muslims like.
The problem is people who practise terrorism and use Islam and the Holly Quran for their own interest are not welcomed by any Muslim who really understands Islam Furthermore,a conflict has taken place. And the western people can not, or they do not want to, the see real picture of Islam.
I respect other people's beliefe, and I wanted to be respected through respecting my religion.
Hey what do you mean you were attacked. You were attacked by terrorism, I doubted. Where is your tolerance that your prophet teaches you. Or it does not exist in some of you. Men christians criticize their own religion, forget any other and it is not out of disrespect, it's mostly to see how the people withing the religion are portraying the teachings of that prophet. Why is so difficult to understand, my God it takes you guys 100's pages to get the real point of the problem which is so easy to understand. Whomever from your radical community has hijacked your religion and using it for power and money, and living the majority in ignorance, and also the educated muslim community such as yourself come here to scream at others who are pointing you the mistakes, instead of you and your community standing up to those who have made your religion a killing machine. Well, that is what you say, but what to heck is happening in the world today.
Again is not that they are not respecting your religion, they are just pointing out in an artistic way the problems that you have within your religion. Let's take an example with a different religion.
What happened in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants, didn't they kill each other. Well did the christian community kept their mouth shot or got up and fixed the situation. So should you guys, cause change and making things better for yourself, and not bothering other people, comes from within. You come here and all I hear from all the muslim community is that we are good and that is it. Who says they are good and the way they are doing it is the best way, are lying. No one is perfect in this world, @ least all of us that came in human form. So ask yourselves and say, what can we do to make this place called earth more safer.
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - aureagle - 04-04-2008
AuLoNa, I want to tell you that you and your christian or jew people don't respect their religion themselves because your religion gave your man made religion gave you nothing but self defeating and self contradicting arguments and confusion. So, you people don't know and can never know how to respect a religion.
Our Islam gave us nothing but the truth. Not a single sentence of our Holy Book The Qur'an contradicts the other. So, we respect our faith, our religion, our prophet (P.B.U.H) our Lord above all other things (AlhamduLILLAH). So, we see things differently.
We respect your prophet either Jesus or Moses much more than you do that's what I strongly expect from all my Muslim brothers. I bet, if there were Muslims like our muslim forefathers with Jesus, then Hell with the jews or any one else, they would never have let anyone even touch Jesus they would like to get killed before that happen. But your forefathers didn't even protest when he was crucified! Even he was sold for just 5 pennies? I ask you AuLoNa What kind of people are you!!!??? Do you say you respect your religion? Do you? And what about those people who were so reluctant to give just a cow to their God? The jews! Do they think they respect their religion? If they think so, they are really overestimating themselves. Isn't it? Ask your heart AuLoNa
Re: Denmark: riots over cartoons - b-j - 04-04-2008
You said:
AuLoNa, I want to tell you that you and your christian or jew people don't respect their religion themselves because your religion gave your man made religion gave you nothing but self defeating and self contradicting arguments and confusion. So, you people don't know and can never know how to respect a religion.
Our Islam gave us nothing but the truth. Not a single sentence of our Holy Book The Qur'an contradicts the other. So, we respect our faith, our religion, our prophet (P.B.U.H) our Lord above all other things (AlhamduLILLAH). So, we see things differently.
We respect your prophet either Jesus or Moses much more than you do that's what I strongly expect from all my Muslim brothers. I bet, if there were Muslims like our muslim forefathers with Jesus, then Hell with the jews or any one else, they would never have let anyone even touch Jesus they would like to get killed before that happen. But your forefathers didn't even protest when he was crucified! Even he was sold for just 5 pennies? I ask you AuLoNa What kind of people are you!!!??? Do you say you respect your religion? Do you? And what about those people who were so reluctant to give just a cow to their God? The jews! Do they think they respect their religion? If they think so, they are really overestimating themselves. Isn't it? Ask your heart AuLoNa
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Jews and Christians are not equals in the eyes of Muslims.
God said in the Quran:
Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say ”We are Christians” : Because amongst these are men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
S. V. 85