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Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
Quote:giovane,
again, one more example of you ignorance...don't you remember what was the reason why Russia got involved? "We are protectin our citizens and people, wherever they are", so if they actually are protecting why there is this case and a long line of Russian citizens in front of RF's embassy in Tbilisi?
1)So, Chena, you has reproached me for ignorance. But Lasha was first who had posted quotes abusing national honest. So my post is only respond at his ignorance. So you can check it and find his post on this pages.
2)Also, this people,that are in front of RF's embassy-are russian the citizens, that georgian custom doesn't leave out from Gergia. It was done specially. And this citizens became hostages[/quote][/quote]Ok Georgian Government did it by intention, :-) , where is Russian government, why they are not commenting on this, why embassador has not managed to do anything?...Just ask such questions to yourselves.....But you are not asking questions....CRITICAL RATIONALIZM my russian friends....Karl POPPER my russian friends........ :banghead
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
independent Wrote:Benn Wrote:Who's that Shos anyway? Is it a Chinese official?
Foreign Ministry Spokesman, Benn
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Giovane - 08-28-2008
Do you mean that Russia will find oneself in isolation and Russians tourists can't get a visa???? So, I don't think so.
Russia and EU has got different economic relations (oil,gas, german cars, transit through Russia to Afghanistan, the problem of Iran and N.Korea). And all these loose by reason of Georgia????
I think only UK and USA are ready on this steps (isolation)
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
giovane,
Quote:1)So, Chena, you has reproached me for ignorance. But Lasha was first who had posted quotes abusing national honest. So my post is only respond at his ignorance. So you can check it and find his post on this pages.
Can you recall me my comments wher I abused "National Honesty"??? :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :quoi :quoi :quoi :quoi
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - independent - 08-28-2008
lashachochua Wrote:Putin and Medvedev could not manage to get what they wanted to get..........How it will effect our destiny, you will see very soon, and also you will see how it will effect your destiny too
For my destiny it has no effect - and I'm afraid it doesn't change anything for You also.
You should already now understand that what is now happening is not anymore tied
to Georgia. All this threatening between EU, US and Russia is because of future
issues - not because Georgia anymore - it is already accepted that S-Ossetia and
Abkhazia has left Georgia. Ok, It has not been told You yet - but it will be done
later.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
Giovane Wrote:Do you mean that Russia will find oneself in isolation and Russians tourists can't get a visa???? So, I don't think so.
Russia and EU has got different economic relations (oil,gas, german cars, transit through Russia to Afghanistan, the problem of Iran and N.Korea). And all these loose by reason of Georgia????
I think only UK and USA are ready on this steps (isolation)
Do not worry, just wait till the 1st of the september. By the way, listen French, Finn, German, Swiss and many other countries foreign ministers, I do not mention ones of Baltic countries, Poland and Ukraine
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Benn - 08-28-2008
you're right, independent. However world politicians will keep claiming that it's all about Georgia, though.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Giovane - 08-28-2008
lashachochua Wrote:[/quote]Ok Georgian Government did it by intention, :-) , where is Russian government, why they are not commenting on this, why embassador has not managed to do anything?...Just ask such questions to yourselves.....But you are not asking questions....CRITICAL RATIONALIZM my russian friends....Karl POPPER my russian friends........ :banghead[/quote]Quote:giovane,
again, one more example of you ignorance...don't you remember what was the reason why Russia got involved? "We are protectin our citizens and people, wherever they are", so if they actually are protecting why there is this case and a long line of Russian citizens in front of RF's embassy in Tbilisi?
1)So, Chena, you has reproached me for ignorance. But Lasha was first who had posted quotes abusing national honest. So my post is only respond at his ignorance. So you can check it and find his post on this pages.
2)Also, this people,that are in front of RF's embassy-are russian the citizens, that georgian custom doesn't leave out from Gergia. It was done specially. And this citizens became hostages
Maybe you forgot, but russian foreign minestry lifted this question at internationl level...
And, it will be better if you would remember how
georgian government of Poti shamefully ran away though they hadn't even seen russian troops. And the city stayed in hands of bandits. While Russian troops were coming...
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
independent Wrote:lashachochua Wrote:Putin and Medvedev could not manage to get what they wanted to get..........How it will effect our destiny, you will see very soon, and also you will see how it will effect your destiny too
For my destiny it has no effect - and I'm afraid it doesn't change anything for You also.
You should already now understand that what is now happening is not anymore tied
to Georgia. All this threatening between EU, US and Russia is because of future
issues - not because Georgia anymore - it is already accepted that S-Ossetia and
Abkhazia has left Georgia. Ok, It has not been told You yet - but it will be done
later.
Are you happy independent??? you know what is difference between us, you russians still beleive that all wstern countries will support you just for your oil....No man, they are fed up with your manupulations about oil. The time is over............Russia lost in this battle....Very soon you will feel it, nevertheless your government and generals will tell your different stories..... It will be now, 1 year after or 100 years after we will get back Abkhazia and Ossetia, by the way Tbilisi for 300 hundred years was under the control of Tataras but we have not lost it......So we Georgians do not forget about our territories....Be calm, do not worry....Do not be afaraid about our fate....We will manage our lives and our country.....Be calm....
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Benn - 08-28-2008
By the way, is the Russian embassy in Georgia working under these conditions? Isn't Tbilisi making tensions over it?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - independent - 08-28-2008
Giovane Wrote:Do you mean that Russia will find oneself in isolation and Russians tourists can't get a visa???? So, I don't think so.
Russia and EU has got different economic relations (oil,gas, german cars, transit through Russia to Afghanistan, the problem of Iran and N.Korea). And all these loose by reason of Georgia????
I think only UK and USA are ready on this steps (isolation)
Nope - we (EU) will not isolate Russia - there are few politics keeping hard talks but thats all.
It is clear for majority that isolation is the most stupid idea as yet. So we will think up something
else. What You think if we e.g. don't export "western democracy" for You anymore ?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
Quote:Maybe you forgot, but russian foreign minestry lifted this question at internationl level...
Are you sure, can you provide the speech of Foreign minister, i am waiting?....
Quote:And, it will be better if you would remember howgeorgian government of Poti shamefully ran away though they hadn't even seen russian troops. And the city stayed in hands of bandits. While Russian troops were coming...[/quote]
Now you are bullshitting....Now I am in poti and I was here when Russian tanks enetered in Poti, by the way at that time I was walking in front of them with Georgian flag....No one left the city, just women and children....Me and many my friends were here....
Ops what I said, Russian troops are still in Poti, I am afraid :haha :haha :haha :haha :haha :haha
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
independent Wrote:Giovane Wrote:Do you mean that Russia will find oneself in isolation and Russians tourists can't get a visa???? So, I don't think so.
Russia and EU has got different economic relations (oil,gas, german cars, transit through Russia to Afghanistan, the problem of Iran and N.Korea). And all these loose by reason of Georgia????
I think only UK and USA are ready on this steps (isolation)
Nope - we (EU) will not isolate Russia - there are few politics keeping hard talks but thats all.
It is clear for majority that isolation is the most stupid idea as yet. So we will think up something
else. What You think if we e.g. don't export "western democracy" for You anymore ?
Your ideas are one to one comparable to those of Russian Foreign Minister :haha :haha :haha
Guys wait till the 1 st of september.........
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Giovane - 08-28-2008
lashachochua Wrote:giovane,
Quote:1)So, Chena, you has reproached me for ignorance. But Lasha was first who had posted quotes abusing national honest. So my post is only respond at his ignorance. So you can check it and find his post on this pages.
Can you recall me my comments wher I abused "National Honesty"??? :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :quoi :quoi :quoi :quoi
It's simply! Open all your comments and see!!!!!! All quotes of Pushkin, Turgenev etc are bullshit. And they didn't say it. Because if copy some quote frome your list and lpaste in the google you can find many different forums where this quotes were posted too. I don't belive that all people know by heart this quotes of russian classics......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - independent - 08-28-2008
lashachochua Wrote:Are you happy independent??? you know what is difference between us, you russians still beleive that all wstern countries will support you just for your oil....No man, they are fed up with your manupulations about oil. The time is over............Russia lost in this battle....Very soon you will feel it, nevertheless your government and generals will tell your different stories..... It will be now, 1 year after or 100 years after we will get back Abkhazia and Ossetia, by the way Tbilisi for 300 hundred years was under the control of Tataras but we have not lost it......So we Georgians do not forget about our territories....Be calm, do not worry....Do not be afaraid about our fate....We will manage our lives and our country.....Be calm....
You are so stubbornly telling me that I'm russian that I must probably try to learn at least their language. :-P
What comes the rest You insist - what else can I say than: Please - grow up and meet the reality.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Eka - 08-28-2008
Benn Wrote:By the way, is the Russian embassy in Georgia working under these conditions? Isn't Tbilisi making tensions over it?nformation for the Press
On August 26, Mr.Grigol Vashadze, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Georgia received on his request Mr.V. Kovalenko, the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation to Georgia.
The Russian Ambassador handed to Mr.Vashadze the text of the statement of the MFA of the Russian Federation.
Mr.Vashadze categorically demanded from the Russian side to stop immediately
the military aggression against Georgia and ethnic cleansing in the region of Tskhinvali and the adjacent territories.
26 August 2008
Press and Information Department
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Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
Benn Wrote:By the way, is the Russian embassy in Georgia working under these conditions? Isn't Tbilisi making tensions over it?
No benn, there is no any tension on them...Just Georgians made a small market in front of them, there you can bue used WC wallets, other WC inventors, used bycicles, spoons, forks.....the same things Russian troops were taking from georgia......This is shamefull!!!!! By the way have you listen to the words of one of possible future vice-president of democrats???? you should, I am not talking about republicans, you should be afraid of them
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Giovane - 08-28-2008
And what will be at 1 september????
All your hopes 'bout 1 september are not fated to be real!!!!!! You can only go home and cry !!!!!!!!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Eka - 08-28-2008
Giovane Wrote:It mean that we know Russian klassics better than you. It means only this...lashachochua Wrote:giovane,
Quote:1)So, Chena, you has reproached me for ignorance. But Lasha was first who had posted quotes abusing national honest. So my post is only respond at his ignorance. So you can check it and find his post on this pages.
Can you recall me my comments wher I abused "National Honesty"??? :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :quoi :quoi :quoi :quoi
It's simply! Open all your comments and see!!!!!! All quotes of Pushkin, Turgenev etc are bullshit. And they didn't say it. Because if copy some quote frome your list and lpaste in the google you can find many different forums where this quotes were posted too. I don't belive that all people know by heart this quotes of russian classics......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - independent - 08-28-2008
lashachochua Wrote:Your ideas are one to one comparable to those of Russian Foreign Minister :haha :haha :haha
Guys wait till the 1 st of september.........
I will - and I hope we can then discuss about what EU decided to do against russia...
lurp So remember to be here !
Until that I suggest You to observe what is being told in CNN next weekend - You can find
it interesting.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
Giovane Wrote:lashachochua Wrote:giovane,
Quote:1)So, Chena, you has reproached me for ignorance. But Lasha was first who had posted quotes abusing national honest. So my post is only respond at his ignorance. So you can check it and find his post on this pages.
Can you recall me my comments wher I abused "National Honesty"??? :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :nonnon :quoi :quoi :quoi :quoi
It's simply! Open all your comments and see!!!!!! All quotes of Pushkin, Turgenev etc are bullshit. And they didn't say it. Because if copy some quote frome your list and lpaste in the google you can find many different forums where this quotes were posted too. I don't belive that all people know by heart this quotes of russian classics......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok be as you wish, you should know it better....But I am afraid that they said it.....For example I checked dostoevsky and He said it.....Sorry.......I do not think that I am insulting, just these are their ideas.....
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Eka - 08-28-2008
Giovane Wrote:And what will be at 1 september????Why cry?
All your hopes 'bout 1 september are not fated to be real!!!!!! You can only go home and cry !!!!!!!!!!
Everithing will be ok. Eu will a little bit punish you. Noone will recognize AbxazeTi and Sida Kartli as independant countires. And we will watch a little bit more how russian tax paiers ( yours) money is going in pockets of corrupted kokit and bagapsh . (They will spent this amounts in kazinos in MOscow).
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
independent Wrote:lashachochua Wrote:Your ideas are one to one comparable to those of Russian Foreign Minister :haha :haha :haha
Guys wait till the 1 st of september.........
I will - and I hope we can then discuss about what EU decided to do against russia...
So remember to be here !
Until that I suggest You to observe what is being told in CNN next weekend - You can find
it interesting.
Ok man, just for several days I have to leave for Ankara next week, But I will be back ;-)
So we can discuss than ...You know I do not really want that something bad happened to russians, i svere....In general I am against bad actions towards people for their governments faults....But I think it is necessary, for russians in order for the next election to elect democratic forces.........
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Giovane - 08-28-2008
1) Eka you did wrong inferences....
I mean that all this quotes often appears on different forums...On russian forums, on this forum....
It's a very strange that many different people know by heart this f..g quotes and posts it in similar form, it's very strange!!
2)Lasha, so if you have found Dostoevsky quote, tell me where, I'll go and check..
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - lashachochua - 08-28-2008
independent Wrote:lashachochua Wrote:Are you happy independent??? you know what is difference between us, you russians still beleive that all wstern countries will support you just for your oil....No man, they are fed up with your manupulations about oil. The time is over............Russia lost in this battle....Very soon you will feel it, nevertheless your government and generals will tell your different stories..... It will be now, 1 year after or 100 years after we will get back Abkhazia and Ossetia, by the way Tbilisi for 300 hundred years was under the control of Tataras but we have not lost it......So we Georgians do not forget about our territories....Be calm, do not worry....Do not be afaraid about our fate....We will manage our lives and our country.....Be calm....
Quote:You are so stubbornly telling me that I'm russian that I must probably try to learn at least their language. :-P
What comes the rest You insist - what else can I say than: Please - grow up and meet the reality.
Sorry independent, just you should know what is definition of nation in modern western political science...It is not important whether you have russian blood or not, the brain is main thing, what you feel, what you think....Your reasoning is typical reasoning of modern middle class russian
(I still remember your comments about my level) ;-) So your are typical russian, just you have to publicly admit it ;-)