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Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 09-04-2008
Eka Wrote:SiD Wrote:Sid here are results of summit I check as you advice mr:from FTEka Wrote:Hi sid YOu know that NOONE IN THE WORLD consider Russian peackekippers as reallity. They were hwlping Osethian separatist and its fact for all.
What about geogians in Russia. I have not answer. But as I know you have teribble shortage of work force( Maybe I am not right) and I will try to look for sources, but soon chiniese will fill your country. So its your choice ( Sorry your govermants )emigration police, which is bytheway VERY corupted. As every civilaized country you must have quotas and you must improve yor emigration laws. BUt first of all you must fight with cotuption. It will soon improve situation with emigrants. So they will move to Ukraine or return to country.
About Army- dont worry. For defence we will have everything we need. Of course if wild agressor-Russia will not decide to attack again soon.( RMEMBER GAMSs MAP of Jirinivski?)
Wow you need to check out summit of SHOS they appreciated role of Russia as peacekeeper in this conflict. Parhaps you need to count how many people lives in countrys of SHOS? China alone has more people than all your supporters combined so do not speak nonsense.
Georgians are in Russia and talk is over you can live your speculations to yourself. If they work here its thier choice they are not forced to stay, and not forced to leave. It is just reality. If we were that bad as you say they would not be here or already been trown out.
I do not worry about your defense i just point you that modern defense is not cheap so government must find money somewere.
Russia fails to secure regional backing
By Stefan Wagstyl in London, Charles Clover in Moscow and Geoff Dyer in Beijing
Published: August 28 2008 10:06 | Last updated: August 28 2008 19:14
Dmitry Medvedev, Russian president, failed on Thursday to win support from China or the former Soviet republics of central Asia in his deepening dispute with the west over military action in Georgia.
At a central Asian summit in Tajikistan, Mr Medvedev was unable to persuade Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, or other regional leaders to give explicit backing to Russia’s intervention or its decision to recognise the independence of the two breakaway regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
While the leaders refrained from criticising Russia, their joint statement gave the Kremlin only modest comfort. “[We] express grave concern in connection with the recent tensions around the South Ossetian issue and urge the sides to solve existing problems peacefully, through dialogue, and to make efforts facilitating reconciliation and talks,” said a final statement from the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation, which groups Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. The leaders welcomed the French-brokered ceasefire deal that ended the fighting between Russia and Georgia and acknowledged Russia’s role in the Caucasus, saying they supported “Russia’s active role in contributing to peace and co-operation in the region”.
Before the summit China had expressed its “concern” about “the latest changes in South Ossetia and Abkhazia”, an unusual move for Beijing which generally refrains from negative comment about Russia. Chinese officials declined to comment on Thursday but western diplomats in Beijing said the summit statement fitted closely with Chinese views. China had avoided any anti-western flourishes and – an absolute priority – any support for separatism.
China, with restless ethnic minorities in Tibet and Xinjiang province, is concerned about precedents that might be set in Georgia, as are the central Asian states.
Russian officials put a brave face on the summit.
Ivan Melnikov, deputy chairman of Russia’s Communist party, claimed Russia had received great support and he was “convinced that the endorsement of the declaration has put a stop to all this speculation about the international isolation of Russia”.
But Yevgeny Volk, an analyst in Moscow for the Heritage Foundation, a US think- tank, said the result of the summit illustrated the opposite. “The statement was very equivocal,” he said. “This shows Russia’s isolation.” Robert Wood of the US state department said: “Russia, I think you are seeing, is becoming more and more isolated: they are isolating themselves. You haven’t seen countries come forth and recognise these two parts of Georgia’s territory”.
● Belarus, perhaps Russia’s closest ally in the former Soviet Union, said on Thursday Moscow had “no choice” about recognising South Ossetia and Abkhazia but it declined to follow suit.
If you dont like emigrants you MUST have good emigration law.
We will find money for defence - dont worry.
I will not discusse with you this words:"do not speak nonsense."
"live your speculations to yourself.".
And? you can see that they appreciete our peacekeeping efforts. that means our peacekeepers are peacekeepers for them as i told.
Recognition is whole other thing becouse of reasons you can see in your own reply.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Eka - 09-04-2008
"saying they supported “Russia’s active role in contributing to peace and co-operation in the region”."
vs
"Russian officials put a brave face on the summit." :banghead
:-) :-) :
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 09-04-2008
Eka Wrote:"Russian officials put a brave face on the summit." :banghead
:-) :-) :
Show me document were it is written.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Eka - 09-04-2008
SiD Wrote:Eka Wrote:"Russian officials put a brave face on the summit." :banghead
:-) :-) :
Show me document were it is written.
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Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 09-04-2008
You call it document?
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Eka - 09-04-2008
SiD Wrote:You call it document?
In official documents they dont wright what kind of emotions have presidents, when they faild to receive what they want.You dont belive FT?
Or maybe its better do belive " komsomolskaia pravda"
I can emagine how concerned he was when those eastern wise people explained him: ' DIMA you are wrong"/ti ne prav dima!
Maybe you can find document from this summit?
I will be glad.I wil try to do it too.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 09-04-2008
Eka Wrote:SiD Wrote:You call it document?
You dont belive FT?
Or maybe its better do belive " komsomolskaia pravda"
I can emagine how concerned he was when those eastern wise people explained him: ' DIMA you are wrong"/ti ne prav dima!
Maybe you can find document from this summit?
I will be glad.I wil try to do it too.
As i said in official document countrys of SHOS are apreaciating Russias role as peacekeeper in the region but are concerned with our recognition of s Osetia and Abkchazia. Speculations about brave face or something are just speculations. So you see that more than billion people are recognizing Russian role as peacekeeper.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Eka - 09-04-2008
SiD Wrote:You call it document?I found "oint Communique of meeting of SCO Heads of State Council (2008)"
But they even don put the recognition issue there. Easter people are realy very wise!
Look: A regular meeting of the Council of Heads of Member States of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (CHS SCO) took place on 28 August 2008 in Dushanbe. President of the Republic of Kazakhstan N.A.Nazarbaev, Chairman of the People’s Republic of China Hu Jintao, President of the Kyrgyz Republic K.S.Bakiev, President of the Russian Federation D.A.Medvedev, President of the Republic of Tajikistan E.Rakhmon, President of the Republic of Uzbekistan I.A.Karimov were in attendance.
President of the Republic of Tajikistan E.Rakhmon chaired the meeting.
Secretary-General of the SCO B.K.Nurgaliev and Director of the Executive Committee of the SCO Regional Antiterrorist Structure (RATS) M.U.Subanov participated in the meeting.
Heads of delegations from the SCO observer states – President of the Islamic Republic of Iran M.Ahmadinejad, Minister of Petroleum and Natural Gas of the Republic of India M.Deora, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mongolia S.Oyun, Advisor to the Prime Minister with the rank of Federal Minister of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan M.A.Durrani, as well as guests of the host state – President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan H.Karzai, Representative of the Secretary-General of the United Nations Organisation M.Jenca, Chairman of the Executive Committee – Executive Secretary of the Commonwealth of Independent States S.N.Lebedev, Deputy Secretary-General of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation T.I.Buzubaev were in attendance.
The heads of state exchanged opinions on international issues and the regional situation. Broad convergence or similarity of positions was noted which was reflected in the Dushanbe Declaration.
Plenipotentiary representatives of the member states of the Organisation signed the Agreement on the order of organisation and staging of joint counterterrorism exercises by the member states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the Agreement on cooperation among the governments of the member states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation on combating illegal circulation of weapons, ammunition and explosives. The Memorandum on partnership relations between the Interbank Association of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and the Eurasian Development Bank was also signed.
In the course of the meeting in a traditional spirit of friendship, mutual understanding and constructivism the achievements of the activity of the Organisation in the period following the Bishkek summit were considered, development priorities were set for the period until the next meeting of the CHS and longer term perspective.
It was stated that the tasks set at the CHS meeting in Bishkek as well as the reached agreements were being successfully fulfilled.
The heads of state approved the report of the SCO Secretary-General on the work of the Organisation in the past year and the report of the RATS Council on the work of the Regional Antiterrorist Structure in 2007.
The heads of state congratulated Chairman of the People’s Republic of China Hu Jintao on successful staging of the Summer Olympic Games in Beijing. The Chinese side expressed gratitude to the SCO member states for extensive support in the period of their preparation and staging. Cooperation in the SCO framework in ensuring security at the Olympics was highly evaluated.
The heads of state were in attendance at the opening of the Fourth Art Festival of the SCO member states.
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The heads of state underlined the importance of the Treaty on Long-term Good-neighbourly Relations, Friendship and Cooperation signed in August 2007 in Bishkek in terms of strengthening interaction in the framework of the Organisation in joint counteraction against new challenges and threats, cementing international peace and security, maintaining global and regional stability.
Practical implementation of the Treaty will also promote the improvement of socioeconomic conditions and deepening of integration processes in the SCO space.
The heads of state noted a gradual increase in the activity of the SCO Regional Antiterrorist Structure in the field of fighting new challenges and threats as an effective mechanism of coordination of interaction among the competent agencies of the SCO member states and its information and analytical support. The process of practical implementation of the Cooperation Plan on combating terrorism, separatism and extremism for 2007-2009 was evaluated positively. The joint drills of the member states including the Peace Mission 2007 counterterrorism exercise staged in Chelyabinsk Region of the Russian Federation contributed to the enhancement of counterterrorism capabilities. The practice of conducting joint drills will be continued. The parties will consider at an early date a possibility of holding the first meeting of ministers of internal affairs and public security at the beginning of 2009.
The heads of state reiterated their concern over threats related to the possibility of using modern information and telecommunication technologies for purposes incompatible with the tasks of ensuring international stability and security. In this regard they noted the successful work of the SCO member states’ International Information Security Expert Group on the fulfillment of the Action Plan on Ensuring IIS adopted in 2007. At the same time with the aim of creating legal framework for cooperation in this field it was considered expedient to draft an intergovernmental agreement in the SCO framework in the field of international information security.
In the process of implementing the Agreement among the SCO member states on cooperation in the fight against illegal circulation of narcotics, psychotropic substances and their precursors emphasis will be put on comprehensive fulfillment of the task of discovering and cutting off the channels of illegal movement of narcotics across the borders of the SCO member states, as well as on the earliest possible launch of practical cooperation in this field.
Heads of counternarcotics agencies of the member states were instructed to hold in the first half of 2009 a special meeting to consider issues of creating in the SCO framework a mechanism of fighting illegal circulation of narcotics, working out a strategy and a programme for stopping the trafficking of drugs from Afghanistan and precursors for their production in that country.
The need to enhance the activity of the SCO-Afghanistan Contact Group was noted.
* * *
The heads of state expressed their support for further expansion of international ties of the Organisation. Work with the SCO observer states – India, Iran, Mongolia and Pakistan – will be lifted to a qualitatively new level and with due regard for their considerations.
For the sake of providing additional opportunities for mutually beneficial cooperation with interested states and international organisations the heads of states approved the Regulations on the Status of Dialogue Partner of the SCO.
A decision was taken to set up a special expert group to consider a whole range of issues related to the expansion of the Organisation.
* * *
The heads of state welcomed the positive dynamics which had appeared in a number of areas of common interest in trade and economic cooperation, namely the creation of a favourable trade and investment conditions, development of transportation routes and transit potential, modern information and telecommunication technologies. Attention was drawn to the need of making greater use of the potential of the SCO Business Council and Interbank Association with the aim of consolidating in the SCO region a favourable investment environment and involving business communities in the implementation of major joint economic projects. The importance of cooperation in the field of customs was underlined in the context of promoting business partnership within the framework of the Organisation.
The heads of state expressed satisfaction at the start of dialogue in the SCO framework on agricultural issues.
The heads of state particularly stressed the significance of interaction in the field of people-to-people exchange as one of the key factors of steady consolidation and expansion of the social base for friendship, good-neighbourliness and mutual understanding among the peoples of the SCO member states. An intention to establish contacts among the legislative bodies of interested member states of the Organisation was noted.
The heads of state underlined the significance of establishing interaction in the framework of the Organisation in the field of healthcare, including the fight against infectious diseases, which is vitally important in terms of providing a suitable environment for steady economic development and raising the living standards of population in the region.
An intention was expressed to continue cooperation in the fields of education and science, development of cultural and youth exchanges for the sake of strengthening understanding and friendship among peoples of interested member states of the Organisation.
A positive development of cooperation in the field of ecology was noted. The importance of continuing the work on the preparation of an SCO concept on environmental protection was underlined.
The pace of cooperation among the departments responsible for emergency prevention and disaster relief was highly rated. It was opined that it is expedient to speed up the work on founding an SCO Centre for Prevention of Natural and Man-made Disasters.
* * *
The heads of state highly appreciated the chairmanship of the Republic of Tajikistan at the SCO and expressed gratitude to the Tajik side for hospitality during the Dushanbe summit.
The next meeting of the SCO Heads of States Council will be held in 2009 in the city of Yekaterinburg. According to the SCO Charter the duties of a state holding chairmanship of the Organisation in the coming period are to be taken over by the Russian Federation.
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Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 09-04-2008
There must be thier position somewhere. Do you think everyone just ignored problem? i think not.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Eka - 09-04-2008
Speculations:
Again the same word!
Its not my speculations but your presidents specultions .
I was not there so i trust FT, who was there and have seen his face and I do not trust"Komsomolskaya pravda" who was there but is wrighting lays about summit.
In reallity I dont care about SCO and there commitmrnt at all, but its example how you Russians see FACTS - you see them as your presidents want, but not as they are.
So mater is much serios than it was wrighten in FT. They even does not mentin in documents the issue your govermant SPECULATES WITH.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Eka - 09-04-2008
SiD Wrote:There must be thier position somewhere. Do you think everyone just ignored problem? i think not.Seriosly without jokes I am really surprised too.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - lashachochua - 09-04-2008
Eka good job!!!!
Hey guys what is going on? :quoi :banghead I have headache after so much headbanging
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Steven - 09-06-2008
China didn't support Russia just because it doesn't want to worsen its relations with the EU, since it does a lot of exports in these countries.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - iako - 09-07-2008
It makes no difference-why? It is not only china who will think about the outcomes after that unconsciousness step.. I am sure that the heads of other countries will correctly evaluate the possible results and make the right decision not to recognize S.Osetia and Abkhazia..
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - GAMS - 09-07-2008
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Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Karl.in.eu - 09-07-2008
So Darwin's theory was right...
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - RusNeko - 09-10-2008
What are you talking about??! It's not the Georgian-Russian war, it's the Georgian-Ossetian war!!! Georgia attacked their_own provinces! Can you imagine USA bombing Texas, Russia attacking Kola Peninsula or France attacking Bretagne?!?!? It's AWFUL!
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Giorgi - 09-10-2008
RusNeko Wrote:What are you talking about??! It's not the Georgian-Russian war, it's the Georgian-Ossetian war!!! Georgia attacked their_own provinces! Can you imagine USA bombing Texas, Russia attacking Kola Peninsula or France attacking Bretagne?!?!? It's AWFUL!
It is obviously this is Georgian-Russian conflict announce by US & EU press, simple in google
Georgian-Russian conflict are 191,000 artical & Georgian-Ossetian conflict are 61,000 artical.
Russia is AGGRESSOR " Results 1 - 10 of about 566,000 for Russia is aggressor. (0.31 seconds) "
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Salomo - 09-11-2008
RusNeko Wrote:What are you talking about??! It's not the Georgian-Russian war, it's the Georgian-Ossetian war!!! Georgia attacked their_own provinces! Can you imagine USA bombing Texas, Russia attacking Kola Peninsula or France attacking Bretagne?!?!? It's AWFUL!
Russia attacked Chechnya several times and really bombed Groznyi down to the ground.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - RusNeko - 09-11-2008
GIORGI:
Google: Georgia attacks OSSETIA 1,600,000 results.
SALOMO:
Georgia bombed Tskinvali, and planned to bomb Sukhumi.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Salomo - 09-11-2008
I do not deny that Georgians bombed Tskhinvali, but compare this bombing with the one of Groznyi!!! All tens or hundreds of bombings of Groznyi together!
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - RusNeko - 09-11-2008
Oh, I see that you know this problem more properly that anybody other..) Ok, but there were terrorists (or how it's in english) in Chechnya, and now, when there are no of them there, Chechnya is in peace. Tschinvali was bombed when PEACEFUL PEOPLE were sleeping!!
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Salomo - 09-11-2008
Come on, it was not only terrorists bombed in Groznyi, but normal peaceful people! Russia would have bombed even without any terrorist connection: the crime of the Chechens were that they had proclaimed their independence, they had left Russia. THIS was their "big crime" and everything else was just pretexts.
I am though not a specialist about Chechnya. But Anna Politkovskaya was. Unfortunetaly we can't ask her any more
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - RusNeko - 09-11-2008
I'm not specialist too, so maybe neither you, neither me are right. While bombing terrorists, peaceful people are always dying too, unfortunately(
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - mika - 09-11-2008
RusNeko Wrote:I'm not specialist too, so maybe neither you, neither me are right. While bombing terrorists, peaceful people are always dying too, unfortunately(Why can't you put the same logic to the Georgian-Ossetian conflict?