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Georgia and South Ossetia at war - John - 08-09-2008
Quote:Georgia's president says he has asked his country's parliament to announce a state of war as fierce battles with Russia military over the breakaway region of South Ossetia entered their second day.read more on CNN
:nonnon
What has happened? How did it start?
Who was the initiator? :fi
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Car_Dusan - 08-09-2008
Well, the thing was like this:
The day before yesterday, Georgian soldiers started to attack South Ossetian capital, which caused killing of 12 Russian Peace-Keepers.
South Ossetian Goverment called Russia for help. Because there are almost 50,000 Russians in South Ossetia, Russia decided to defend its citizens, by pushing the Georgian army back to Georgia and bombing Geogian cities to make Georgians leave South Ossetia.
But the Georgian president Sakhashvili decided to recruit the national army reserves and answer the Russians, also he mentioned that helping Georgia is in the USA interests.
The victims;
Citizens of South Ossetia started to run from the Georgian Army, and 1,500-2,000 South Ossetian civilists were killed, while near 50,000 has run out of the country.
My opinion is that Russia is defending the country that is recognized by them and also defends its citizens in South Ossetia.
And now, georgia will be ruined in a few days.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - EDISAN - 08-10-2008
Russia the rights because Georgia attack South Ossetia and killed the Russian peacekeepers
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Admin_phpbb3_import1 - 08-10-2008
You can read this thread about Russia vs Georgia to understand what is happening now.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - EDISAN - 08-10-2008
Dear friends! We are watching the Great Lie from Internet! The reality is that Saakashvili FIRST bombed Tskhinvali on the Day of the Olympian Games! Georgian soldiers SHOT Russian Peace-making armies, peaceful population FIRST and only AFTER this Russia moved army to prevent further destruction. Remember Kosovo, and the US position in that case!
If you understand the reality, that means your have a free mind.
P.S. Please, send this message to all your friends. Thank you!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - dae954 - 08-10-2008
People of the world. You deceive! World mass media conduct propagation of a false information. Russia DID NOT ATTACK Georgia! 07.08.2008 at 22:00 Georgia has attacked South Ossetia. At 3:30 08.08.2008 tanks of the Georgian armies have entered into city Tskhinvali. Artillery bombardment all the day long proceeded, fights with use of tanks and heavy combat material, both against ossetic armies, and against peace inhabitants were conducted. 1400 civil people already were lost. The Russian peacemakers have arrived to South Ossetia in the evening 08.08.2008 for settlement of the conflict and prompting of the world in republic and protection of the Russian citizens living on territory of South Ossetia. Georgia has attacked South Ossetia on eve of Olympiad, it is top of cruelty and cynicism. Proofs and video-materials look on : <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.1tvrus.com/">http://www.1tvrus.com/</a><!-- w --> , <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_main.main">http://www.1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_main.main</a><!-- w --> , <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rian.ru/">http://www.rian.ru/</a><!-- w --> , <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.vesti.ru/news">http://www.vesti.ru/news</a><!-- w --> , news.ntv.ru/ , <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.ren-tv.com/">http://www.ren-tv.com/</a><!-- w --> , <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.newsru.com/">http://www.newsru.com/</a><!-- w --> .We shall tell is not present to WAR!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - chena - 08-10-2008
I read some of the comments and have only one question by which law (or logic) can a contry defend its citizens on the territory of another independent counrry by invassion of millitary forces (70 000 solders, more than 300 tanks)? Please remember that Georgian forces has not crossed Russian border, this is Russians who are bombing civilians in conflict zone in so called South Ossetia, and all over Georgia in hundreds of kilometers from the conflict zone. Please be more reasoneble when you post your opinion, just get more infrmation about the situation.
What is more important, this is not Georgia-South Ossetia or Georgia-Russia war, this is the Russian respond to the world's recognition of Kosovo. They are doing what they've promised: taking South Ossetia and Abkhazia if US and Europe dared to recognize Kosovo. The US and Europe recognized Kosovo and it is Georgia which is paying for their inresponsible decision. That is why US and European countires are responsible for what is going on in Georgia right no
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - chena - 08-10-2008
The international community should/must meaningfully aid Georgia in stopping the Russian Federation from violating international laws and its attacks on Georgia's sovereign territory. The international community has long recognized that South Ossetia is an integral part of Georgia's territory. The presence of Russian forces has been legitimate solely for peacekeeping. The most recent actions by Russia go far beyond its legitimate and recognized role in managing the conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia and should not be tolerated.
The world must request that all the Russian Federation's military forces must leave Georgia's land and territory. Further we demand that these forces cease any and all attacks on Georgian targets civilian or military.
The world has to raise their voices in support for Georgia's right to protect its territorial integrity. Has to raise their voices to protect the civilians that are suffering due to the Russian Federation’s attacks outside the conflict zone. Has to to send an envoy to Georgia to negotiate for the safety of citizens to find an end to this war. The principles of democracy and civilized society require every person who cares about democracy throughout the world to stand up for Georgia.
Now it is up to the world to help Georgia, thus to defend principles of democracy and stop creation of new Nazzi country. Russia must be held accountable for their actions. You should join in solidarity to call upon Russia to step back and leave the space for negotiations, and to respect Georgia’s sovereignty as an independent nation.
Overview
The Ossetians are originally descendants of the Alans, a Sarmatian tribe. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don river in present-day Russia and part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia where they formed three distinct territorial entities. Digor in the west came under the influence of the neighboring Kabard people, who introduced Islam. Tualläg in the south became what is now South Ossetia, part of the historical Georgian principality of Samachablo where Ossetians found refuge from Mongol invaders. Iron in the north became what is now North Ossetia, under Russian rule from 1767.
The Soviet government established by the Russian 11th Red Army in 1921 created the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast (i.e., district) in April 1922.
The United Nations, European Union, Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Council of the European Union, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and all other countries in the world recognize South Ossetia as part of Georgia. However, the de facto independent republic governed by the secessionist government held a second independence referendum on November 12, 2006, after its first referendum in 1992 was not recognized by the international community as valid. However, it was not recognized internationally by the UN, European Union, OSCE, NATO and the Russian Federation, given the lack of ethnic Georgian participation and the legality of such referendum without recognition from the central government in Tbilisi. The European Union, OSCE and NATO condemned the referendum. Parallel to the secessionist held referendum and elections, the Ossetian opposition movement (The Salvation Union of South Ossetia) to Kokoity, organised their own elections in which both Georgian and some Ossetian inhabitants of the region voted in favour of Dmitri Sanakoev as the alternative President of South Ossetia. The alternative elections of Sanakoev claimed full support of the ethnic Georgian population. In 2007, Dmitri Sanakoev became the head of the Provisional Administration of South Ossetia.
On July 13, 2007, Georgia set up a state commission, chaired by the Prime Minister Zurab Noghaideli, to develop South Ossetia's autonomous status within the Georgian state. According to the Georgian officials, the status will be elaborated within the framework of "an all-inclusive dialogue" with all the forces and communities within the Ossetian society.
On August 8, 2008, on the same day as the 2008 Olympic Games officially commenced, hostilities began between Georgian forces and South Ossetia's separatist forces supported by Russian military forces.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - LM64 - 08-10-2008
It no loner matters who started this war. It has to stop. Too many people are already dead from the both sides.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Texhnolyze - 08-10-2008
The reference of South Ossetia.
It is addressed to the governments and nations of the world! Help to stop a genocide of small people of South Ossetia systematically during 19 years destroyed by authorities of a fascist mode of Republic Georgia, with the criminal connivance of the international community covering crimes of authorities of Georgia to please to geopolitic interests of NATO! The resolution of conflict entirely lays in sphere of international law. However, the Georgian party skilfully using a technique of historical falsifications, political insinuations, using criminal protection of the government of the USA, financing presents a ruling mode of Georgia to the World of event in the deformed kind. Now the most part of South Ossetia is destroyed by the Georgian aggressors. Old men, women, children continue to perish. The region is taken in a ring of blockade by the Georgian party, there is no water, products, the Georgian fascists fire at hospital of South Ossetia, the machine of fast medical service, not allowing to render the help the wounded man. Stop the Genocide of ossetic people! People have the right to the Life granted by the God, criminally to destroy people to please to geopolitic interests of the criminal government of Bush altering the World.
People of South Ossetia.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Texhnolyze - 08-10-2008
chena Wrote:I read some of the comments and have only one question by which law (or logic) can a contry defend its citizens on the territory of another independent counrry by invassion of millitary forces (70 000 solders, more than 300 tanks)? Please remember that Georgian forces has not crossed Russian border, this is Russians who are bombing civilians in conflict zone in so called South Ossetia, and all over Georgia in hundreds of kilometers from the conflict zone. Please be more reasoneble when you post your opinion, just get more infrmation about the situation.
What is more important, this is not Georgia-South Ossetia or Georgia-Russia war, this is the Russian respond to the world's recognition of Kosovo. They are doing what they've promised: taking South Ossetia and Abkhazia if US and Europe dared to recognize Kosovo. The US and Europe recognized Kosovo and it is Georgia which is paying for their inresponsible decision. That is why US and European countires are responsible for what is going on in Georgia right no
Russia protects there the citizens!!! More than 90 % the Osset, is citizens of Russia! And now tell, why we should suppose a genocide and massacre of the citizens?!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
STOP RUSSIA !!!!! Or you will see the russian tanks in other european countries soon!
I would like to respond to Car_Dusan.
What you say is a lie distributing buy russian officials and totally controled by them russian mass-media. Now nobody have doubt that the plan of occupation of georgia russians elaborated long ago. At least it was after Kosovo crisis. The south osetian and abkhazian crisises are only reason to start realizing this intervention plan. During last months russian so called "peacekeepers" and South Ossetian separatists did everthing to provoke georgia start military actions - terrorist actions, bombing of civilians in villages, etc.
This is an answer to georgian intention to join NATO. And why georgia seeks to do it? Simply to defend itself from russian monster.
I would like all to remember the european history - Hitler started invading some european countries using the same reason as russia used in georgia - depending their citizens in neighbour country. But wouldn't we ask how these citizens appear there? And why they do things that russia should defend them from country of living?
Abkhazian and russian troops just started offense towards Kodori Gorge - Abkhazian territory still under georgian control. There definitely live georgian citizens. Should georgia start war on the territory of russia?
Simply russia knows that georgia has not enough resources to do it. So how can this small country defend itself?
The only way is if the whole world would say STOP RUSSIA, in one voice!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - EDISAN - 08-10-2008
Russia defend citizens
American puppet name Georgia attack South Ossetia
How you not understand that?????
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
Texhnolyze Wrote:Russia protects there the citizens!!! More than 90 % the Osset, is citizens of Russia! And now tell, why we should suppose a genocide and massacre of the citizens?!
What this 90% of russian citizens do in georgia? And what is the reason georgia attack them? And why do not russia take his citizens back to their citizenship country?
Simply, russia does not care of osetians and abkhazs. They need territories and total influence over Caucasus.
And when you start talking about genocide - always remember CHECHNYA and ABKHAZIA.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - EDISAN - 08-10-2008
Tim, what do you say about Kosovo? "This is they country"?Why you hate Slavs nations?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
EDISAN Wrote:Tim, what do you say about Kosovo? "This is they country"?Why you hate Slavs nations?
EDISAN, i do not understand your idea. I do not hate Slavs! I respect greatly them. My grand-grand mother where slav.
This is russians hating all other nations. And first of all caucasus people. Look around russia. All his neighbours were troubled somewhat from this monster. And everything comes from their "SHOVINIZM". Do you know what does it mean?
I do not know were are you from but suppose that one day russian troops ocupate your territories and kill thousands. What would you say?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - EDISAN - 08-10-2008
Tim, many caucasus immigrations in Russia Behave as it was in due time in Paris
Caucasus illegal immigrants must live in Caucasus, not in Russia
"Russia for russian peoples"
As an example it is possible to result Germany where turks have become impudent excessively
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
EDISAN Wrote:Tim, many caucasus immigrations in Russia Behave as it was in due time in Paris
Caucasus illegal immigrants must live in Caucasus, not in Russia
"Russia for russian peoples"
As an example it is possible to result Germany where turks have become impudent excessively
edisan, finally you said what the most russians have in their hearts. RUSSIA ONLY FOR RUSSIANS - this is real core of all the problems now. And not only in georgia. This new doctrin is a basis of NEONACISM and SHOVINIZM. But russian citizens are not only ethnic russians. Push them all out of russia!!!!
I will be glad if all the georgian immigrants will return to georgia. IT WILL BE EXCELLENT. Georgia needs his sons.
But why russia does not take back his immigrants living in other countries, for example in russia? Answer is - they need reason to intervent and take new territories. It is very dangerous policy.
Some words to technolyze - more than 100,000 osetians live in overall georgia, and only up to 50,000 in Tskhinvali region. Why georgia do not attack other osetian civilians in other parts of georgia, but only in Tskhinvali region? Answer is simple, because this problem is provoked by russia. They need this territory and also they need Abkhazia. Final goal is to control all Caucasus region. International criminal VLADIMIR PUTIN said it yesterday, openly. WE CONTROL THIS REGION DURING LAST 200 YEARS AND WE WILL DO IT ALSO IN THE FUTURE. This is Putin's words!!! Is there any doubts anymore?
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Texhnolyze - 08-10-2008
Tim Wrote:Texhnolyze Wrote:Russia protects there the citizens!!! More than 90 % the Osset, is citizens of Russia! And now tell, why we should suppose a genocide and massacre of the citizens?!
What this 90% of russian citizens do in georgia? And what is the reason georgia attack them? And why do not russia take his citizens back to their citizenship country?
abkhazs, ossets bad Georgia have not made anything, having declared 15 years ago, that leave its structure, in fact legally they there never and were not.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - EDISAN - 08-10-2008
Tim, where you live and how your nation?
and I am understand, what Europe need anarchy in Russia and control of Ukraine Belorussia and another countries
Vladimir Putin not criminal, hi is great people, was Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Yasser Arafat, Mao Dzedun and other great governors. All of them were nationalists
I am from Ukraine, and I would like, that Russ' has revived
I the nazi, it am simple to data
and all russian goverment is jews, and they 100% no nazi))))
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
Texhnolyze Wrote:abkhazs, ossets bad Georgia have not made anything, having declared 15 years ago, that leave its structure, in fact legally they there never and were not.
Texnolyze, first of all Abkahzs and Osetians are weapons in the hands of russians. Unfortunately they are so blind by russian propaganda and KGB that do not like to understand simple things.
Chechens also declared independence, but russia killed tens of thousands of them, especially younger and older populations.
Simply georgians first of all living in breakout regions and also in allover the georgia have right to express their opposition against such separatism. Why osetians do not fight for independence in north osetia (hystorical Alania - osetians native country)? Again because this is in interest of russia.
Why do abkhazs and osetians take weapons against georgians? Why do abkhazs ethnically cleaned this territory and made genocide of georgian people after georgian troops left SUKHUMI?
Because russians provoked this!!! Open your eyes!!! Abkhazia and South Osetia are Georgian territories and Georgia has right to deffens it!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
Simply georgians first of all living in breakout regions and also in allover the georgia have right to express their opposition against such separatism. Why osetians do not fight for independence in NORTH OSSETIA (hystorical Alania - osetians native country)? Again because this is in interest of russia.
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
I would like also to comment the name of this Hot Topic: GEORGIA AND S
OUTH OSSETIA AT WAR.
There is no war between Georgia and South Ossetia. How can human body fight again his part: hands, feet, head, etc. South Ossetia was, is and will always be a part of Georgia. Also is with Abkhazia. We love this people and would like to live with them in peace and brotherhood in strong Georgia. Many Abkhazs and Ossetians live in other regions of Georgia withou problems. There is no ethnic conflict between this people.
THIS IS WAR BETWEEN GEORGIA AND RUSSIA!!!!!!!!
RUSSIA FIGHTS TO CHANGE GEOPOLITCAL BALANCE AND GAIN NEW TERRITORIES!!!
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Texhnolyze - 08-10-2008
Tim Wrote:Texhnolyze Wrote:abkhazs, ossets bad Georgia have not made anything, having declared 15 years ago, that leave its structure, in fact legally they there never and were not.
Texnolyze, first of all Abkahzs and Osetians are weapons in the heands of russians. Unfortunately they are so blind by russian propaganda and KGB that do not like to understand.
Chechens also declared independence, but russia killed tens of thousands of them, especially younger and older population.
Simply georgians first of all living in breakout regions and also in allover the georgia have right to express their opposition against such separatism. Why osetians do not fight for independence in south osetia (hystorical Alania - osetians native country)? Again because this is in interest of russia.
Why do abkhazs and osetians take weapons against georgians? Why do abkhazs ethnically cleaned this territory and make genocide of georgian people after georgian troops left this territory?
Because russians provoked this!!! Open your eyes!!! Abkhazia and South Osetia are Georgian territories and Georgia has right to deffens it!!!
:mrgreen: KGB for a long time does not exist... In what century you live the boy?)
South Ossetia itself does not wish to be a part of Georgia, ask any Osset! You saw tears of women, you heard stories about atrocities the Georgian? You did not hear anything, and sit and act! You here simply support a genocide of Ossetic people, being covered with words that is territory of Georgia. Go study is better to be at war... And that in a nose of a current to be picked at itself be able)
NATO is worse than gestapo :deg
Re: Georgia and South Ossetia at war - Tim - 08-10-2008
To edisan and technolyze,
I am georgian, 47 years old and live in Tbilisi, which is bombing now by russian air planes!
I know what is KGB and see what is FSB. You can change your name but never change your mind. So FSB=KGB.
I know many ossetians living in all parts of georgia, even have relatives and know their opinions. Of course I do not speak about Kokoev and his klan.