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Support the striking workers - stop the EU - steveboy - 02-02-2009
I am delighted to see that people have finally realised that out national sovereignty has been transfered, and we are soon to be under the complete control of the EU dictatorship.
Hopefully these strikes escalate, and the anger can be directed against the politicians responsible for surrendering our country without a fight.
If our governement cant be trusted, the the unelected Eu certainly can not.
As soon as enough people loose their jobs we may have results.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Admin_phpbb3_import1 - 02-03-2009
Hello steveboy... Why you are so angry?
What exactly is EU doing to you or your country that you want to stop it?
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - M.Helen - 02-03-2009
and what are you doing? blaming EU for this? I don't think you're doing a reasonable job. The crisis would hit us stronger if the EU didn't exist. The EU government takes actions for helping every country apart. So I think the union should exist
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - steveboy - 02-04-2009
Admin Wrote:Hello steveboy... Why you are so angry?
What exactly is EU doing to you or your country that you want to stop it?
I am very angry, yes. our governement have behaved in a ridiculous manner. Promising a referendum on whether we surrender to the EU, or reject such unconstitutional arrangements.
The UK is a democracy, in theory. To have your national sovereignty surrendered to a non democratic dictatorship, over which we have no control, is a treacherous act by our politicians.
I only hope the people of this country relise what is ahppening and take to the streets.
This issue is a serious as the first and second world wars, where our grandfathers laid down their lifes in the trenches to protect our freedom.
In our time of need i hope so many can be brave enough to stand up against this latest attempt to take control of our once proud country.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - steveboy - 02-04-2009
M.Helen Wrote:and what are you doing? blaming EU for this? I don't think you're doing a reasonable job. The crisis would hit us stronger if the EU didn't exist. The EU government takes actions for helping every country apart. So I think the union should exist
maybe you wish to be dictated to by undemocratic dictators, such as the EU. I wholly object to our governement ratifying the documents of surrender, sorry the constitution... or is it a treaty now?
We were promised a referendum, which would be totally defeated by the british people. As soon as it was realised that it faced certain defeat, the promise to allow us a say in who governs this country was removed.
this is unconstitutional and illegal.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Admin_phpbb3_import1 - 02-05-2009
From what I know EU is not a country. It is a union of countries that has their own presidents and prime ministers that are elected in their own countries and exercise administrative powers as well in their own countries. If you want to really know what dictatorship is you should ask someone from China or former USSR... if they still remember..
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Steven - 02-05-2009
If you're from UK, then I certainly do understand your position. IMO UK would reach much higher successes if it wasn't together with EU. UK has many things to lose because it helps EU, while UK doesn't need EU's support as it is strong enough to solve its issues independently
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - St3v3boy - 02-05-2009
Admin Wrote:From what I know EU is not a country. It is a union of countries that has their own presidents and prime ministers that are elected in their own countries and exercise administrative powers as well in their own countries. If you want to really know what dictatorship is you should ask someone from China or former USSR... if they still remember..
The Euro treaty places the Eu above governements, effevtively making the Eu THE governement. They have powers to take the army, police, make laws and enforce them. There are plans to make Interpol superior to the police, and to have special powers including immunity from prosecution by individual countries police and courts.
we would do well to learn from the poeple in China and the USSR, and learn lessons from Nazi germany. this is a time of great peril, and we face loosing our country and feedom to the EU dictatorship. Dangerous times indeed.
I say support and take part in the national strikes, and end the corruption of the UK governement, and end the handover of our country to non elected EU "officials".
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - St3v3boy - 02-05-2009
Steven Wrote:If you're from UK, then I certainly do understand your position. IMO UK would reach much higher successes if it wasn't together with EU. UK has many things to lose because it helps EU, while UK doesn't need EU's support as it is strong enough to solve its issues independently
The UK should ditch the EU "masters", and strengthen trans atlantic links, and free trade with the commonweath.
We should tell the Eu OUR terms, not the other way around.
This was supposed to be a free market! Not a take over of our country with the collusion of our politicians.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Faw_Peter - 02-06-2009
steveboy, can you give an example of what you are bothered about the EU? Englishmen are rational people, if it wasn't convenient for you, you would have left the game long time ago, right?
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Big_Becka - 02-09-2009
I think Steveboy is referring to some strikes in the UK, in response the foreign (Portugese, I think) workers being employed to work on an Oil Refinery. Local people were not offered jobs, despite rising unemployment: a foreign agency was hired who just shipped over foreign workers.
In fairness, it has transpired that a local agency was originally hired - but they failed to do the work for some reason.
There is currently an inquiry into the situation.
Steveboy: the freedom of migrant workers means that you can get a job anywhere in the EU. You could earn a fortune working in Switzerland or Germany! Or you could relocate to France, Turkey or Spain like thousands of other Brits. And, if you are British, you are lucky enough to probably not have to learn another language.
In the long term, this means that both work and workers are shared out around Europe, instead of British factories closing because they can operate more cheaply in eastern Europe.
I hate the way British people won't move house. In the 80s and 90s recessions, most British people wouldn't even move to another part of the UK for work! Partly our obsession with buying houses instead of renting means that thousands of families are unable to relocate. People also have this irrational fear of moving their children to another school - well, I moved house when I was a child, and I am a stronger and more open-minded person for it!
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Steven - 02-09-2009
Steveboy, I don't understand why are you so mad? These workers were offered a job because their labour is cheap. Now companies can't afford spending a lot of money on workers, because of the crisis. But I believe that a good specialist will never stay without a job, so the ones who want a job, should simply start searching for positions that fit their skills.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Steven - 02-16-2009
Would an Englishman work for 4 pounds per hour? No. Well that's what many immigrants earn. If I were a company owner, I would only hire foreign workers, since it's much cheaper.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Big_Becka - 02-16-2009
Actually, UK minimum wage is £5.73 per hour for ALL adults (including immigrants) over the age of 22. Plenty of British people work for minimum wage. There is a large number of people who fail to get good grades at school, and we have rising illiteracy. Some people choose to do factory work because it is easier to fit around school times, and is less stress than some professional roles. Others have to work in these kinds of job because it is still difficult to return to work if you have had a baby, been ill or been in prison.
An immigrant cannot be employed on less than minimum wage. However, most people - especially immigrants - find low-income jobs through employment agencies. Some employment agencies will try to deduct "expenses" from your wage, or force you to work over 48 hours a week, but this is illegal. There have also been some high-profile cases of illegal immigrants being exploited by agencies: again, this is illegal.
One of the reasons foreign workers are popular with employers is that they will often work a lot of overtime, because they do not have a family in this country, or they need the extra money to support relatives or pay for thir education. East European workers are also known to work very quickly. ;-)
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Faw_Peter - 02-16-2009
overtime is not all. I remember reading news a few months ago, where a famous London company was detected to have employed immigrants for a misery salary of 3.5 pounds per hour. The company only was imposed a small fine and it got away with that.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Benn - 02-17-2009
Remember that the refinery where workers stroke belongs to a French company. So their interest in supporting local works is the least.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Steven - 02-26-2009
Britain has now passed a bill that obliges local companies to apply first to local workers. Unqualified foreign workers have generally been banned from being hired. So these are not the best times for guest workers.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - M.Helen - 03-04-2009
Englishmen need skills in order to compete against other nations. Also, they have to understand that the crisis leaves no possibilities for employers to maintain their workers at the level they used to do it before, so they must be ready for lower salaries.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Faw_Peter - 03-09-2009
I think the crisis will generate a lot of corruption among big companies. Employees will try to give bribes for keeping their workplaces. Thus, even the best workers could be fired while unexperienced could stay.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Steven - 03-12-2009
I don't know about corruption, but it doubtlessly will create more and more strikes. Just today I heard that the tire-producer "Continental" is planning to cut a couple of thousands of workplaces.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Benn - 03-13-2009
Besides strikes, lawsuits against companies that fire their employees have increased in number. Those are additional expenditures for lawyers. So even if they cut workplaces, not necessarily the expenses will reduce.
Re: Support the striking workers - stop the EU - Faw_Peter - 03-15-2009
An oil company in UK said
Quote:"It has never been, and never will be, the policy of Total to discriminate against British companies or British workers. We have been a major local employer for 40 years and the majority of our 500 permanent staff are local
It also said that an Italian company had won the construction contract through a fair and legal bidding process.
So I guess UK companies are legally doing it, they don't have bad intentions.