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No sorries :-) I'm not working for the government or FSB or any of the TV channels you meant :-) But why do you think that the Russians are so stupid that they just "eat" what the state-controlled TV channels give them? Unlike Georgians, we are not cut off from any information - we can read various newspapers, browse all interrnet sites (including Georgian ones). And yes, I agree, that there could be (and there probably was) some disinformation on TV about the conflict (mainly about civilian casualties, I think), but this is informational war - it's normal. And why is it assumed that those, who in this concrete conflict support the Russian authorities - are not intellectuals at all? The problem is that the absolute total majority of the Russians support Medvedev-Putin in this conflict, including many intellectuals, like Sergey Karaganov (He's on the Top 100 Intellectuals List published by Foreign Policy (US) и The Prospect (UK). Well, if all those millions of Russians are stupid and blind, then the world is lost. By the way, the Chechen wars in Russia did not have such a massive support by the population. I'll give you my detailed vision of the problem later. Meanwhile, please read the following articles (by US and European persons) and tell me what you think.
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Russia started war of course. Russia began this war 19 years ago. We never forget genocide orginased By separatists in Abkhazia and South Osetia during last tow decades. We never forgive Russia for fire in our forests, killings Goegirians in Osetia, AbKhazia and in Russia as well. If you think that four million and half population afford themselves to start war with Russia he is ether blame or ill.
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SVP Wrote:No sorries :-) I'm not working for the government or FSB or any of the TV channels you meant :-) But why do you think that the Russians are so stupid that they just "eat" what the state-controlled TV channels give them? Unlike Georgians, we are not cut off from any information - we can read various newspapers, browse all interrnet sites (including Georgian ones). And yes, I agree, that there could be (and there probably was) some disinformation on TV about the conflict (mainly about civilian casualties, I think), but this is informational war - it's normal. And why is it assumed that those, who in this concrete conflict support the Russian authorities - are not intellectuals at all? The problem is that the absolute total majority of the Russians support Medvedev-Putin in this conflict, including many intellectuals, like Sergey Karaganov (He's on the Top 100 Intellectuals List published by Foreign Policy (US) и The Prospect (UK). Well, if all those millions of Russians are stupid and blind, then the world is lost. By the way, the Chechen wars in Russia did not have such a massive support by the population. I'll give you my detailed vision of the problem later. Meanwhile, please read the following articles (by US and European persons) and tell me what you think.
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shako Wrote:Russia started war of course. Russia began this war 19 years ago. We never forget genocide orginased By separatists in Abkhazia and South Osetia during last tow decades. We never forgive Russia for fire in our forests, killings Goegirians in Osetia, AbKhazia and in Russia as well. If you think that four million and half population afford themselves to start war with Russia he is ether blame or ill. --------------
Saakachili started war of course (08.08.08). I mean REAL WAR. not provocation!!!!
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Lor Wrote:Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Dear Frederic!
I’m don’t rely at Russian sources, please take a look - <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.telekritika.ua/">http://www.telekritika.ua/</a><!-- m -->
It’s Ucraina’ website!!!!!! Are you blind?
If it would be REAL Ukrainian website it would be written in Ukrainian. People that wrote this are RUSSIANS that leave in th Ukraine! Simple as that.
I think that the question of this forum should be WHO INSTIGATED THIS WAR??? Not who started it! Think about it!!
It's funny how all these Russians come on this forum with their only argument:"Georgia started the war." It's not a little kids little game. You started first, no you started first!... At this point doesn't even matter who started. All it matters is who are the war criminals. And i only have one answer for that:Russia. I don't see any Georgians in Russia destroying people and infrastructure!!
WHO STARTED THIS WAR? NOBODY knows and it's NOT relevant!
If Georgians started it, why Russians don't try to find a reason WHY?? Maybe you provoked them!! Please read some history and you will see this tactics of instigating and provocation in Russian conflicts in A LOT of countries. Do you really think is a coincidence? Or a strategy??
Don't want to repeat myself but WHY DO ALL THE EX SOVIET REPUBLICS HAVE A SEPARATIST REGION, THAT ALWAYS CAUSES INTERNAL CONFLICTS WHICH INVOLVE RUSSIA. (Georgia-South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Ukraine-Crimea, Moldova-Transnistria,) Is this a coincidence as well? Is it also a coincidence that Russia gives citizens to ALL the people in these regions, even though is AGAINST that country's laws? In the Ukraine is not legal to have double citizenship unless is approved by Ukrainian Gov.Why did Romanian President went on conference to Unkraine, Moldova, Turkey, Khazahstan because these countries ALREADY have problems with the Russian population and they call it CRISIS????.. PLEASE Russian people ANSWER my questions. So far i didn't get an answer!!
CAN RUSSIAN PEOPLE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? OR HAVE NOTHING TO SAY?
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Lor Wrote:WHO STARTED THIS WAR? NOBODY knows and it's NOT relevant!
No, stupid, we ALL know it was Georgia that started it, under the auspicies of Izraeli/USA/NATO instructors!
Heck, there are minutes of UN SC meeting of Friday, August 8, 2008. Check it. It shows everything, including the support Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilains did have from USA and UK.
We are not fools, don't you realize that?
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Lor Wrote:WHY DO ALL THE EX SOVIET REPUBLICS HAVE A SEPARATIST REGION, THAT ALWAYS CAUSES INTERNAL CONFLICTS WHICH INVOLVE RUSSIA. My guess is that Russia copes with "EU standars" set in former Yugoslavia, where every crisis needed "a solution" involving EU/NATO/USA.
What do you think?
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Dear Lor!
I’m Russian, and I’m AGREE with George Friedman, so yuu may take all answers in here (if you really needs them)
Go ahead –
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Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Dear Lor!
I’m Russian, and I’m AGREE with George Friedman, so yuu may take oll answers in here (if you really needs them)
Go ahead –
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tanechka tebia naverno nedotraxal kakoi to gruzin. poetomy i besishsia. vashi mujike ved pianici a babi suchki s beshenstvom matki. :-) sperva batkani, potom motkani, potom vovochka bez otca rastiot. vot i vsia istoria.
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kukiko Wrote:tanechka tebia naverno nedotraxal kakoi to gruzin. poetomy i besishsia. vashi mujike ved pianici a babi suchki s beshenstvom matki. :-) sperva batkani, potom motkani, potom vovochka bez otca rastiot. vot i vsia istoria. Now imagine how pathetic ought to be those who will "never surrender" than just run away from them?
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Balkaneese Wrote:kukiko Wrote:tanechka tebia naverno nedotraxal kakoi to gruzin. poetomy i besishsia. vashi mujike ved pianici a babi suchki s beshenstvom matki. :-) sperva batkani, potom motkani, potom vovochka bez otca rastiot. vot i vsia istoria. Now imagine how pathetic ought to be those who will "never surrender" than just run away from them? What do you mean dear balkanian guy? don't blame georgians in the problems of your country.
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kukiko Wrote:... I'm just astonished how brave and well trained (by Izrael/USA/NATO instructors) are those who attacked S. Ossetian villages, but 36 hours after facing real soldiers just fled and left the most strategic city of their country without a bullet shelled.
But you do have skills to insult ladies on internet fora, dont' you?
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Balkaneese Wrote:kukiko Wrote:... I'm just astonished how brave and well trained (by Izrael/USA/NATO instructors) are those who attacked S. Ossetian villages, but 36 hours after facing real soldiers just fled and left the most strategic city of their country without a bullet shelled.
But you do have skills to insult ladies on internet fora, dont' you?
Do you know the numder of lost among the Georgian Army?
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Balkaneese Wrote:kukiko Wrote:... I'm just astonished how brave and well trained (by Izrael/USA/NATO instructors) are those who attacked S. Ossetian villages, but 36 hours after facing real soldiers just fled and left the most strategic city of their country without a bullet shelled.
But you do have skills to insult ladies on internet fora, dont' you? Oh, how emotional. Do you think that real soldiers are steeling forks and used toothbrushes, toilet sets and laundry on the ropes. They are not brave. They are many, and russian military authorities never count dead soldiers, they are used as a cannon folder. Georgians count their soldiers, so they stepped back. Have you ever heard a proveb: You can loose the battle, but win the war.
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Balkaneese Wrote:kukiko Wrote:... I'm just astonished how brave and well trained (by Izrael/USA/NATO instructors) are those who attacked S. Ossetian villages, but 36 hours after facing real soldiers just fled and left the most strategic city of their country without a bullet shelled.
But you do have skills to insult ladies on internet fora, dont' you? Thanks, but I'm don't care..... (The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on))
It's all about how HONEST and WELL-BRED Georgian people in here, take it in mind!
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Frederic Wrote:They are not brave.
Sure. Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilains are brave. And very, very fast 
Frederic Wrote:You can loose the battle, but win the war.
Ah, I see, you too think the best weapon is sharp statements, just like you trans-Atlantic masters do? LOL
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South Osetian side carried out a Russian plan to provoke Georgia and pull it into conflict by bombing Georgian civilian villages for 11 days. Georgia did not respond, asked separatists to stop bombing, but they did not. Georgian government made a decision to carry out an operation to crack down on separatists militants who had been terorrizing region for a while now. Georgian forces forced the separatist militants out of their positons and they fled North to the Russian border. Russia responded by invading Sovereign country and bombing not only South Ossetian region, but entire Georgia.
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Svens Wrote:South Osetian side carried out a Russian plan to provoke Georgia and pull it into conflict by bombing Georgian civilian villages for 11 days. Georgia did not respond, asked separatists to stop bombing, but they did not. Georgian government made a decision to carry out an operation to crack down on separatists militants who had been terorrizing region for a while now. Georgian forces forced the separatist militants out of their positons and they fled North to the Russian border. Russia responded by invading Sovereign country and bombing not only South Ossetian region, but entire Georgia.
If, according to you, yourself, Georgian forces "forced separatist militiants out of their positions" by flattening "not only their positions, bu Tskhinvalli region", why do you complain when Russians "forced aggressor Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilains out of their position by bombing military targets in the entire Goergia"?
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Balkaneese Wrote:Frederic Wrote:They are not brave.
Sure. Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilains are brave. And very, very fast
Frederic Wrote:You can loose the battle, but win the war.
Ah, I see, you too think the best weapon is sharp statements, just like you trans-Atlantic masters do? LOL
What about your Kremlin masters? They can make only cold war era statements I guess. The fact is Kremlin failed to protect you. They have lost their war over balkans. let`s see what will happen in Caucasus. Americans have purified all the Europe from the Russian influence and russian Sapog. Are you too furious about this?
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Dear forum users, please note, you are not allowed to use uncensored language within the forum. Try to respect each other's opinion.
Thank you!
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Balkaneese Wrote:Lor Wrote:WHO STARTED THIS WAR? NOBODY knows and it's NOT relevant!
No, stupid, we ALL know it was Georgia that started it, under the auspicies of Izraeli/USA/NATO instructors!
Heck, there are minutes of UN SC meeting of Friday, August 8, 2008. Check it. It shows everything, including the support Suck'a-a-a-AAA-sh-vilains did have from USA and UK.
We are not fools, don't you realize that?
Calling me stupid won't make me stupid!!! You know NOTHING about my education nor my background. But it's OK, i'm used to this treatment coming from a Russian. Couldn't expect more. With this word you answer to ALL of my questions!! IGNORANT!!
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Frederic Wrote:What about your Kremlin masters? They can make only cold war era statements I guess. The fact is Kremlin failed to protect you. They have lost their war over balkans. let`s see what will happen in Caucasus. Americans have purified all the Europe from the Russian influence and russian Sapog. Are you too furious about this?
Interesting thoughts.
Why would "Kremlin" protect "me"?
Was that you who wrote about "loosing the battle, winning the war"?
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Tatiana_Kirovsk Wrote:Balkaneese Wrote:kukiko Wrote:... I'm just astonished how brave and well trained (by Izrael/USA/NATO instructors) are those who attacked S. Ossetian villages, but 36 hours after facing real soldiers just fled and left the most strategic city of their country without a bullet shelled.
But you do have skills to insult ladies on internet fora, dont' you? Thanks, but I'm don't care..... (The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on))
It's all about how HONEST and WELL-BRED Georgian people in here, take it in mind! i understand that you don`t care about the truth. Anyway don`t mind. I am not going to use personal attacks on the forum any more, but it was so obvious about you. 
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Balkaneese Wrote:Lor Wrote:WHY DO ALL THE EX SOVIET REPUBLICS HAVE A SEPARATIST REGION, THAT ALWAYS CAUSES INTERNAL CONFLICTS WHICH INVOLVE RUSSIA. My guess is that Russia copes with "EU standars" set in former Yugoslavia, where every crisis needed "a solution" involving EU/NATO/USA.
What do you think?
I'm sure you don't care about what i think but there you go!! I don't discourage people to have national pride but the idea of national supremacy is something QUITE different and that is NOT something to be encouraged!! There is a thin line between the two but one which must be recognized and which SHOULDN'T be crossed!!!!
If you don't get my message, :livre
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Balkaneese Wrote:Lor Wrote:WHY DO ALL THE EX SOVIET REPUBLICS HAVE A SEPARATIST REGION, THAT ALWAYS CAUSES INTERNAL CONFLICTS WHICH INVOLVE RUSSIA. My guess is that Russia copes with "EU standars" set in former Yugoslavia, where every crisis needed "a solution" involving EU/NATO/USA.
What do you think?
Plus, Little Einstein, you STILL didn't answer my questions!! They were related to some "coincidences" in ex soviet republics! But as USUAL, you ignored what was not convenient and took just somthing to pick on!! It's a shame!!
P.S. SiD where are you?: You actually read and think and make conversations possible!!
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