New world order Russia with EU

[Newrussian town]

I think that EU can find a powerful ally in the face of Russia, with out USA, Euro Asian Empire. I want to know are your think in that direction? We all are Europeans so why we can not create A new world order? Our technologies + EU technologies Our spirit + your spirit. USA is not in the EUROASIAN COALITION. :garde

[Guest]

I'm afraid Russia would just absorb Eastern Europe. :lol:

[Steven]

I see your position Newrus. I support you. There are so many things that we, Europe as well as Russia waste just because of we don't want to cooperate because of political reasons. I know that Russians are inventintive people, while Europeans are organized people. This combination would save the world.

[Big_Becka]

I would rather form an alliance with Russia than continue being America's poodle :bombe

Unfortunately, I don't think most of my country would agree People are scared of Putin. And the English seem to idealise the American, Canadian and Australian way of life.

But of course, we have an unofficial alliance - we buy a lot of gas from Russia (probably oil too) :diable It will be interesting to see how alliances change as we run out of fuel ;-)

[Andrewz]

You know what Becka, English people idealize the American, Canadian and Australian way of life because this is a sort of general trait of yours - being conservationists. And it's not bad at all, as you seem to love what you always use to do. But, actually I am surprised to hear from you that you would"rather form an alliance with Russia than continue being America's poodle". :-)
Take care your neighbour doesn't know that

[Big_Becka]

You know, British soldiers are dying in Basra, to support America's war in Iraq. It is mainly American companies that profit from the oil and construction work in Iraq, and US troops are stationed in the less dangerous districts :evil: Our neighbour is not being very nice to us ;-)

But I think you are right about the English trait :haha We tend to like the country and the "good life."

Actually, I remember as a child that many people in my town wanted to become allied with the USSR nd not the USA. Probably because we thought they would win the Cold War :-) But also because the poor industrial areas of the UK are very socialist - it would be a shame if we lost our education system and welfare state, and became too much like the USA. Even though politics has changed, Europe and Russia are more thinking and cultured: we should be proud of that.

[Guest]

My respect to Big_Becka!

[Newrussian town]

Actually I thought that this offer will be reduced, but now I can understand, Russia as ally is attracted Europe, but EU is afraid us. I know even why, because all of our history we wouldn't try to be a friends.USA is a real barbarian country with the less of education, but with big power, it is like a big stupid guy. If it was not WW2, the USA would be like a Brazil , I hope that we will be allies, and together will create a new Empire that will lead us to the space,new planets, new life. I think that in the present days Europe are captured by the USA, and cannot realized that ally with Russia will make EU much stronger than USA, you have everything that they have, and we have a lot of recourses and our own technologies.

[M.Helen]

Nice thread, my dear Newrussian 8-)

I believe in collaboration as well. But, I don't see any concrete steps in this sense. Today I heard that Putin said he will revise Russia's cooperation with Europe, meaning it will worsen, because Russia wasn't accepted for a meeting between the EU and Ukraine in Belgium, the goal of which was to discuss power security in Ukraine.

[leon]

I'm afraid Russia would just absorb Eastern Europe. :lol:

You american impostors and suppressors stand out a mile, you are unaminously against a greater europe and support a divided weaker Europe for you fear your once masters Europe usurping you again

[Tamara_Georgia Girl]

OMG... EU countries majority considers Russians as an asian people, and if there was no Peter I the great (Georgian by blood) they would still live in caves like mongoloid tribes!
I make it clear now from the historical sources russians real lineage: Anry Marten (1810-1883), french liberal historian and senator wrote in his book ''Russia and Europe '', that Russians were not Slavs, as well as indo-germans! he asserted that they were Turans and were ascribed to turkish-altai tribes, he also mentions russians as a servility people. another french author Anry Massie ''belay of west'' also rejects Russians being europians!I can give thousend of works here which definitly prove that these people are everything except europians by traditions, metality or way of life, but i stop it here. Europian velues are really honourable, which are abused by Russian side every time.. R/F can't be Europe becouse of one thing: they never respect anyone and anything, like other nations or international law, they have double standards etc.. U can have a dialogue with reasonable conscious side and not with an ambitious, slave of Ideology, and chauvinistic country!

[kalasnikov]

Yes, I agree! Russia has to much teritory and resources; Europe has smart people and tehnologies for exploration and exploitation

[Guest]

Yes, I agree! Russia has to much teritory and resources; Europe has smart people and tehnologies for exploration and exploitation

Didn't you get confused Europe and Georgia? :lol:

[Faw_Peter]

OMG... EU countries majority considers Russians as an asian people, and if there was no Peter I the great (Georgian by blood) they would still live in caves like mongoloid tribes!
I make it clear now from the historical sources russians real lineage: Anry Marten (1810-1883), french liberal historian and senator wrote in his book ''Russia and Europe '', that Russians were not Slavs, as well as indo-germans! he asserted that they were Turans and were ascribed to turkish-altai tribes, he also mentions russians as a servility people. another french author Anry Massie ''belay of west'' also rejects Russians being europians!I can give thousend of works here which definitly prove that these people are everything except europians by traditions, metality or way of life, but i stop it here. Europian velues are really honourable, which are abused by Russian side every time.. R/F can't be Europe becouse of one thing: they never respect anyone and anything, like other nations or international law, they have double standards etc.. U can have a dialogue with reasonable conscious side and not with an ambitious, slave of Ideology, and chauvinistic country!

why did you start this racial talk? So what if Peter I was Georgian "by blood"? Do you really think it matters? Stalin was Georgian as well, and he is a bit guilty for Russia's today influence over Georgian and other small former socialist republics

[Big_Becka]

I don't think Russia is seen as Asian by the west today - we probably think of Russia as west of the Urals though. The other ex-soviet states like Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc - yes, we think of them as asian.

However, it is true that a lot of people think of Russia as being 'different' [to western europe] - I have no idea how true this is!

[Benn]

I don't think Russia is seen as Asian by the west today - we probably think of Russia as west of the Urals though. The other ex-soviet states like Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc - yes, we think of them as asian.

However, it is true that a lot of people think of Russia as being 'different' [to western europe] - I have no idea how true this is!

I don't think it's necessary to call Russia to be either Europea or Asian. It's a neutral territory. But, certainly in the matter of its traditions it can't be called Asian at all. It's culture is totally different, its religion is Christianity as against the entire Asia.

[Newrussian town]

EU can chose in what kind it would like to see Russia, as ally to China ,or to it's own ally. To the Georgian girls, I can only say, it was very stupid to attack Russia because the Georgia is no mach to us, just a 5 days. You have to be thanks for us that we would not destroyed you as a country cose we could do it easily with out any problem. Agressors.

[Laurentine]

EU can chose in what kind it would like to see Russia, as ally to China ,or to it's own ally. To the Georgian girls, I can only say, it was very stupid to attack Russia because the Georgia is no mach to us, just a 5 days. You have to be thanks for us that we would not destroyed you as a country cose we could do it easily with out any problem. Agressors.

That's not a way talking to girls:? You can't convey things on behalf of your leaders, especially when it comes to war conflicts. Remember, aggression sorts out nothing, it only brings burden to both conflicted parties.

[Newrussian town]

That's not a way talking to girls:? You can't convey things on behalf of your leaders, especially when it comes to war conflicts. Remember, aggression sorts out nothing, it only brings burden to both conflicted parties.[/quote]
Our leaders made a best decision. to protect our people! We will never forget about this aggression, it was like a digger in back.

[Nathan]

Our technologies + EU technologies

?

Is there something I missed? Russia invests very little in science. It has no famous manufacturers of technological devices, such as PCs, phones, etc.
But, it invests in army, so I don't think that's a peaceful country which EU can become ally with.

[rjg1989]

Actually I thought that this offer will be reduced, but now I can understand, Russia as ally is attracted Europe, but EU is afraid us. I know even why, because all of our history we wouldn't try to be a friends.USA is a real barbarian country with the less of education, but with big power, it is like a big stupid guy. If it was not WW2, the USA would be like a Brazil , I hope that we will be allies, and together will create a new Empire that will lead us to the space,new planets, new life. I think that in the present days Europe are captured by the USA, and cannot realized that ally with Russia will make EU much stronger than USA, you have everything that they have, and we have a lot of recourses and our own technologies.

You seem to have a strong dislike for Americans. I have Spanish and Mexican blood and have lived in America pretty much my whole life. I don't understand how you can say we are a real barbarian country... I see it the other way around. Most Americans strive for peace, freedom and human rights none of which I think are barbaric. I don't believe my country is perfect but I know its not barbaric and though the image of America has been tarnished by the actions of pass leaders we are still a great country and there is an effort here in America to change the mindset of our foreign policy and restore some values that have been lost along the way.
You say we have less education?... I would say that our education before college is not the best but it is not terrible and we make up for it through our colleges and universities. Many people from all around the world come to the U.S. to get an education.... even people from russia.
I'm going to make a generalization about russians that may not be true but from what I have gathered from you. Russians seem to be stuck in the mind set of empires, world conquest, and power. Russians seem to power hungry. And its interesting you say we are stupid and then speak of creating an empire that we lead you into space. I am pretty sure America is farther along in the space program than Russians. Have Russians even landed on the moon yet? but i digress..
I believe that it is possible to coexist... but mindsets on both sides of the table need to change.

[Newrussian town]

You seem to have a strong dislike for Americans. I have Spanish and Mexican blood and have lived in America pretty much my whole life. I don't understand how you can say we are a real barbarian country... I see it the other way around. Most Americans strive for peace, freedom and human rights none of which I think are barbaric. I don't believe my country is perfect but I know its not barbaric and though the image of America has been tarnished by the actions of pass leaders we are still a great country and there is an effort here in America to change the mindset of our foreign policy and restore some values that have been lost along the way.
You say we have less education?... I would say that our education before college is not the best but it is not terrible and we make up for it through our colleges and universities. Many people from all around the world come to the U.S. to get an education.... even people from russia.
I'm going to make a generalization about russians that may not be true but from what I have gathered from you. Russians seem to be stuck in the mind set of empires, world conquest, and power. Russians seem to power hungry. And its interesting you say we are stupid and then speak of creating an empire that we lead you into space. I am pretty sure America is farther along in the space program than Russians. Have Russians even landed on the moon yet? but i digress..
I believe that it is possible to coexist... but mindsets on both sides of the table need to change.[/quote]

So I would like to say that it a good arguments from you, and I really don't feel hate to Americans people, but it is my decision to wish Empire without USA. And about space, I think that you know, that ISS is based on 3 technologies American, European and Russian, we have an equal place in space, you have lost your space ships, and Russian ships are only one which can supply ISS (International Space Station)

[Big_Becka]

And its interesting you say we are stupid and then speak of creating an empire that we lead you into space. I am pretty sure America is farther along in the space program than Russians. Have Russians even landed on the moon yet? but i digress..

:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you aware that Yuri Gagarin - a russian cosmonaut - was the first man in space? The USSR and USA were equal in the space race: sometimes one was ahead, sometimes the other. Just because the USA happened to make it to the moon first means little: the moon landing was used to publicise the west's "superiority" during the cold war, just as the USSR's many acheivements in space were used to publicise the east. Since the end of the cold war, Russia had it's problems in the 1990s but are now investing again in technology: I often see Russians at trade fairs, and hear about business deals with large Russian companies.

You say we have less education?... I would say that our education before college is not the best but it is not terrible and we make up for it through our colleges and universities. Many people from all around the world come to the U.S. to get an education.... even people from russia.

Only people with money can afford to do this. :roll: Someone from a poor background in the USA can only afford to go to college if they join the military, win a sports scholarship or win a beauty pageant! University graduates routinely do bar work or other menial jobs in the evening after their professional job, AND have to live in relative squalour, in order to pay back loans for their university tuition fees.

A civilised society should provide good education for ALL its citizens, so that the best and brightest people have the opportunity to fill the most demanding jobs (instead of us being run by idiots with rich parents!)

[rjg1989]

[/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you aware that Yuri Gagarin - a russian cosmonaut - was the first man in space? The USSR and USA were equal in the space race: sometimes one was ahead, sometimes the other. Just because the USA happened to make it to the moon first means little: the moon landing was used to publicise the west's "superiority" during the cold war, just as the USSR's many acheivements in space were used to publicise the east. Since the end of the cold war, Russia had it's problems in the 1990s but are now investing again in technology: I often see Russians at trade fairs, and hear about business deals with large Russian companies.

Haha yes i'm very aware of all of this... and credit is due to russia for starting off strong... that changes nothing though... i'm talking about the present and in the present i would say America has the upper hand in the space race...

[/quote]Only people with money can afford to do this. :roll: Someone from a poor background in the USA can only afford to go to college if they join the military, win a sports scholarship or win a beauty pageant! University graduates routinely do bar work or other menial jobs in the evening after their professional job, AND have to live in relative squalour, in order to pay back loans for their university tuition fees.

A civilised society should provide good education for ALL its citizens, so that the best and brightest people have the opportunity to fill the most demanding jobs (instead of us being run by idiots with rich parents!) [/quote]

what you said is definately not true... it very possible to get education with little money required... there are some colleges that offer free tuition but require students to follow some fair conditions. military, sports and beauty? you seem to have left out many other scholarships available in an attempt to paint a bad picture of america... a person can get some money from a variety of scholarships, you can get money for your academics, your heritage, your religion, and even your eye color just to name some... the list goes on.
A person doesn't need to go to an expensive school to get a good education... in the end a degree is a degree. and anyone who is stuck working two jobs after graduation either planned poorly or knew what they were getting into before hand.
I, for example, am attending a university that is relatively expensive. My parents are not rich, though they do help me some with college payments. I have received some scholarships none of which come from the military sports or beauty. I have student loans that are available to all students and have low interest rates. To help pay off debts I go to school for two semesters and work fulltime the 3rd semester. When I graduate I will be in debt but I am given about 10 years to pay my loans off and I am certain that the career path i've chosen will help erase that debt relatively fast.
But i agree america's education system is not perfect. Education received before college is not equal amoung races and I think more needs to be done so that all races have the same opportunities and obstacles.
I'm curious what is your nationality?

[Newrussian town]

Haha yes i'm very aware of all of this... and credit is due to russia for starting off strong... that changes nothing though... i'm talking about the present and in the present i would say America has the upper hand in the space race...

In what direction? We just don't advertising our programs like USA do, and our rockets have been still most powerful in the world. Our techs are widely present in the ISS program. And about the moon, USSR could visit it after USA but for what if they had been there already? So we created the first space station MIR instead of this. All the best space programs are international, so USA is not leading the world into the space, the world is leading it self.