The Gypsies in Italia -‘problema zingari' (‘Gypsy problem')?

[Terry]

I heard that Romania is also full of Gypsies

[clearman]

I heard that Romania is also full of Gypsies

Regions with significant Gypsy populations (from wikipedia):

Albania Disputed: 1,300 to 120,000
Argentina 300,000
Brazil 678,000–1,000,000
Bulgaria Disputed: 370,908 (official census) to 700,000–800,000
Canada 80,000
Czech Rep. Disputed: 11,746 or 220,000 to 300,000
France 280,000–340,000
Germany 110,000–130,000
Greece Disputed: 200,000 or 300,000–350,000
Hungary Disputed: 500,000–1,000,000
India 2,274,000
Iran 110,000
Italy 90,000–110,000
Macedonia Disputed: 53,879 to 260,000
Romania Disputed official census): 535,250
Other sources: up to 0.7–2.5 million
Russia Disputed: 183,000 to 400,000
Serbia Disputed: 108,193 (official census)
500,000 estimated (540,000 incl. Kosovo)
Slovakia Disputed: 92,500 or 550,000
Spain 600,000 to 800,000
Turkey Disputed: 300,000 to 5 million
Ukraine 48,000 (census 2002); 400,000 (estimated by Roma organizations)
United States 1 million (Roma organizations' estimations)

[Terry]

wow Romania is the leader, why did they stop there mostly? As far as I know they have Indian roots. Romania seems to be a perfect place for them

[clearman]

In Romania also the gypsy problem is very hot. Let see a short history about Roma people in this country.
The Romanians in Wallachia and Moldavia – alone in Europe – made the Gypsies their slaves, binding them to the soil. Torn from their nomadic way of life, the Gypsies were forced to put down roots on the land of their masters. Like the black slaves in America, free people were turned into workhorses – albeit rational ones. For centuries they could be bought and sold. Families were torn apart, children separated from their mothers, women from their men folk. Young women were regularly raped by their masters, and the so-called 'crow-scum' was the target of widespread contempt and discrimination. One voivode, or provincial governor, would have them climb trees then shoot them down with arrows. Hunting crows, he called it. Tied to localities and kept like animals, the Gypsies in the Romanian principalities multiplied faster than anywhere else in Europe. Forced to become sedentary and till the soil, the Gypsies forgot their traditional occupations. They were now no longer boiler makers, goldsmiths, minstrels, bear trainers, silversmiths, etc. Like all slaves they became lazy, indolent farm laborers. They became cowardly, garrulous, drunken and quarrelsome, filled with vice and infirmity. This is the eternal lot of all slaves throughout the world. The hot-blooded youths rebelled against this state of things, stealing horses, robbing, counterfeiting, raping and murdering. The young Romanian serfs acted no differently: they joined the Hajduci and became highwaymen.
In the wake of 1848, enthusiasm gripped the new, pro-Western Romanian elite. Not for the first time, philanthropy paved the way for horrendous catastrophe. Assembled before the estates of hundreds of enlightened boyars, the Gypsy slaves were told: "Brothers, you are free! Go where your feet take you."
This "slave liberation," without the slightest logistical or psychological preparation, wreaked unthinkable havoc. Hundreds of thousands of Gypsies were suddenly free to die of hunger. With no money, clothing or livelihood, without a belief or a culture – with nothing but their naked humanity, they soon populated the prisons en masse. No one knows how many perished at the time from so much freedom, or how many have died until today as a result.

Perhaps, the slavery changed dramatically their life and the amount of gypsies there. :quoi

[clearman]

If Romania and Italy don't want gipsies in their countries, perhaps we find other European countries who want them to protect and.... How do you like that, guys? :nonnon

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[Terry]

the Romanian government will not perform the policy that policy because the minister of foreign affairs (on the video) had quit about 2-3 months ago

[Benn]

I think it might be a solution for Romania, reasoning from their European position, they deserve a clearer area.

[Steven]

it's impossible to move an entire nation from a country to another region.

[Terry]

hey Gypsies are very nice people, just look at this video. Italians should be happy for being entertained for free!
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[LION]

A way to help gypsies to fit better in this world and stop them from stealing is to offer them a chance to study - through a compex program of education for gypsies,that will promote among them the advantages of beeing educated and having a real job

[Benn]

but no, this is not gonna change them, it's in their blood, traditions... and certainly culture
education is not everyhting they need. There are quite intelligent Gypsies I would say.

[elenawhereisthelove]

In Romania are 2 milions gypsies from 23 milions of romanian people and that because,Romania,my country,is an hospitable country,is the only country from Europe which accepted them and said "No" to rasism.Romania is a beautiful and hospitable country,everybody is welcome in Romania,my country,italians too.The romanians ARE NOT GYPSIES!The gypsies are NOMADS=PEOPLE WITHOUT COUNTRY.Italians don't understand this,they are saying that all the romanians are gypsies.They hate Romania and they are lieng.Romania is not like Italy,we romanians,we are receiving everybody in our country,people from all the world.
Italy,you don't know nothing,about Romania,if you have problems with the gypsies,is not romanians fault,Is not our fault!Romanians can't answer for them!ITALY,STOP SAYING THAT THE ROMANIANS ARE GYPSIES BECAUSE THIS IS NOT TRUE, ROMANIANS ARE NOT GYPSIES.If the others countries will say that all the italians are mafiots,I don't think you will like,Italy!
Italians should look in their country because they have mafiots,corruption,drugs come from their country in all the world. So,how can they speak about Romania?I just wonder!
I’m proude to be romanian,I love my country and is very difficult for me,to see,how the italians ale lieng about my country.I feel pain for this!WE ARE NOT GYPSIES,WE ARE ROMANIANS,I’m sorry for all the problems that the gypsies are making in all the world,but you Europe, must understand that is not our fault!

[elenawhereisthelove]

Italians,hate Romania and I will never understand why?We are not gypsies,is true that we have in our country 2.000.000 gypsies but that because in my country there are good people,who can't hate anybody,who can't be rasist.We love everybody,just like our God Jesus Christ said!Italians will never understand what Jesus Christ said about love,we have to be like brothers,all the people,all the countries.
Why do you hate us ,Italy?We want to be like before!Why don't you understand that the romanians are not gypsies?Why don't you understand that we,romanians,WE CAN"T ANSWER FOR THE GYPSIES,FOR WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN YOUR COUNTRY!Why?Where is THE LOVE in this world?
Every country has gypsies,criminals,corruption,drugs,mafiots...but nobody has the right to generalize!Don't you feel sorry for the INOCENT PEOPLE?They can't pay for others!Is this justice?We have italians criminals or mafiots in our country,too and we never said that all the italians are like that!Is not fair what are you doing,Italy!

[Faw_Peter]

I didn't know that Italians hate Romanians. Is that true? If it was, I should have heard about that.
Maybe it's an illusion, maybe they hate the immigrants, and it doesn't mean that only Romanians are included in this category.

[Benn]

wow, Elena, how do you live there with this number of Gypsies. You probably are very patient, or maybe they don't cause you any trouble. I wouldn't like to live in a community surrounded by Gypsies, not because I'm discriminating them, it's just that I'm not that kind of person

[elenawhereisthelove]

I didn't know that Italians hate Romanians. Is that true? If it was, I should have heard about that.
Maybe it's an illusion, maybe they hate the immigrants, and it doesn't mean that only Romanians are included in this category.

Italians hate romanians,they say that all the romanians are gypsies and they killed in Italy many romanians,they don't make the difference between us,romanians and the gypsies.If a gypsy says that he is from Romania,italians say that he is romanian.Is this justice?They killed romanians in Italy,I heard this every they on TV,news.They hate us!They are writing about us just lies,they are saying "Romania gypsy's country"!
THE ROMANIANS ARE NOT GYPSIES!We have gypsies in our country because we feel sorry for them,THE GYPSIES ARE NOMADS,they don't have a country and they came to our country because nobody received them!In our country everybody is welcome,we romanians,we are receiving everybody in our country,my people are good people!

[elenawhereisthelove]

wow, Elena, how do you live there with this number of Gypsies. You probably are very patient, or maybe they don't cause you any trouble. I wouldn't like to live in a community surrounded by Gypsies, not because I'm discriminating them, it's just that I'm not that kind of person

The gypsies are making problems,in our country too,but we are not like Italy,my people are good people,romanians are receiving everybody,everybody is welcome to Romania.there is nothing we can do,the gypsies are nomads,they don't have a country,they came to our country because nobody received them.Romania is an hospitable country,we don't hate anybody in this world,we are not rasists but now we are paying for our goodness!This is Life!INJUSTICE!

[elenawhereisthelove]

In Romania are 2 milions gypsies from 23 milions of romanian people and that because,Romania,my country,is an hospitable country,is the only country from Europe which accepted them and said "No" to rasism.Romania is a beautiful and hospitable country,everybody is welcome in Romania,my country,italians too.The romanians ARE NOT GYPSIES!The gypsies are NOMADS=PEOPLE WITHOUT COUNTRY.Italians don't understand this,they are saying that all the romanians are gypsies.They hate Romania and they are lieng.Romania is not like Italy,we romanians,we are receiving everybody in our country,people from all the world.
Italy,you don't know nothing,about Romania,if you have problems with the gypsies,is not romanians fault,Is not our fault!Romanians can't answer for them!ITALY,STOP SAYING THAT THE ROMANIANS ARE GYPSIES BECAUSE THIS IS NOT TRUE, ROMANIANS ARE NOT GYPSIES.If the others countries will say that all the italians are mafiots,I don't think you will like,Italy!
Italians should look in their country because they have mafiots,corruption,drugs come from their country in all the world. So,how can they speak about Romania?I just wonder!
I’m proude to be romanian,I love my country and is very difficult for me,to see,how the italians ale lieng about my country.I feel pain for this!WE ARE NOT GYPSIES,WE ARE ROMANIANS,I’m sorry for all the problems that the gypsies are making in all the world,but you Europe, must understand that is not our fault!

[elenawhereisthelove]

Italians,hate Romania and I will never understand why?We are not gypsies,is true that we have in our country 2.000.000 gypsies but that because in my country there are good people,who can't hate anybody,who can't be rasist.We love everybody,just like our God Jesus Christ said!Italians will never understand what Jesus Christ said about love,we have to be like brothers,all the people,all the countries.
Why do you hate us ,Italy?We want to be like before!Why don't you understand that the romanians are not gypsies?Why don't you understand that we,romanians,WE CAN"T ANSWER FOR THE GYPSIES,FOR WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN YOUR COUNTRY!Why?Where is THE LOVE in this world?
Every country has gypsies,criminals,corruption,drugs,mafiots...but nobody has the right to generalize!Don't you feel sorry for the INOCENT PEOPLE?They can't pay for others!Is this justice?We have italians criminals or mafiots in our country,too and we never said that all the italians are like that!Is not fair what are you doing,Italy!

[M.Helen]

well, don't you think it was your country's mistake that it allowed the Gypsies to live there? The fact you feel sorry for them means nothing for the world. Unfortunately changing the Italians' mind will be very difficult to do, so you'll just have to get used with that. I feel sorry for you!

[Terry]

What are you complaining about, and, generally, what Italians are complaining about? I am indifferent to the Gypsies, and maybe somewhere I like their enthusiastic spirit. Italians would be bored without them, and Romanians either. You should enjoy living all together.

[elenawhereisthelove]

well, don't you think it was your country's mistake that it allowed the Gypsies to live there? The fact you feel sorry for them means nothing for the world. Unfortunately changing the Italians' mind will be very difficult to do, so you'll just have to get used with that. I feel sorry for you!

In Romania are 2 milions gypsies from 23 milions of romanians.Is true that romanians are good people and we receive everybody in our country but The real reason for this big number of gypsies in our country is that, there was a time,when Romania was accused by E.U, that the romanians don't respect gypsies's rights, then we gave them all the rights and now everybody is wondering why we have so many gypsies in our country.Well E.U has a big contribution in this,Occidental Europe don't accept the gypsies,but they accused Romania for discrimination.They did this because they want to bring all the gypsies in our country,because they don't want them ,but then they will say, just like now, that all the romanians are gypsies.This is what Europe is doing now!Yes,all Occidental Europe!We are not racist but there are to many gypsies in our country because of Occidental Europe and the image of our country suffer.Sometimes I think that the gypsies should have their country,not our country Romania.

[M.Helen]

When EU accused Romania for not respecting Gypsies it was already too late to do something. You had to act decades and centuries ago. You can't change it in two-three years you know.

[AlexandrufromRomania]

You stupid italians,drugged mafiots,nobody will believe you,because you are always lieing,you are stageing everything!Go to hell with all your lies and leave Romania alone!We want to live in peace in our country with everybody because in our country everybody is welcome,italians too.We are not like you,Italy.STOP LIEING AND STOP SAYING THAT THE ROMANIANS ARE GYPSIES!GYPSIES ARE NOT ROMANIANS,THEY ARE NOMADS=PEOPLE WITHOUT COUNTRY.They are living in our country because we are the only country from Europe which received them,we are not rasists like you.Mother fuckers,your Europe and your Shitaly told that in Romania the gypsies was discriminated(1999-2004).Fuck,fuck,fuck,I hate your Occidental Europe,Fuck You!The gypsies are 1-2 mil.from 24 mil.romanian people.Romania is an hospitable country,everybody can stay in our country.You should look to your country,all your money that you have,are from drugs,prostitution,crimes and corruption!We are poor,but we have working,we don't have mafiots in our country,we don't live like you.You speak about Romania,but you don't see your country full of mafiots!You are shameless!

[clearman]

Brrrrr...Ops! :nonnon

Relax, Great Alexandru (or Elena from Romania), the gypsies are free to move everywhere in Europe and they do it very well. Today in Italy, tomorrow in France and Britain, after tomorrow in Germany, Netherlands and Belgium….They are vagrants and hungry like locusts. Nobody can stop the gypsies migration!

What a hell you talking about! Nobody affirms that all Romanians are gypsies, only the extremist and fascist idiots do it. And Italy has a lot of idiots and ultra nationalists, of course. And the politicians are stupid too...
The “gypsy problem” is a Romanian mistake because you maintained the slavery until 1860 and didn’t assimilate them, as Hungary, Bulgaria, Serbia or Russia did.
Romanians were too gentle with gypsies? Why? You have to force the gypsy "civilization" or to move them in Egyptian desert. :deg
They are still uneducated people (illiterate 80% of them), unemployed and unskilled, living in hard conditions, a dirty and noisy population in 21st century. Europe must do something with gypsies.

How many children are in a Romanian family? One, maybe two…
How many children are in a Gypsy family? Five, six, seven…? :evil
I think in 50 years, they could be a majority in Romania.