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Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - gomboreli - 09-15-2008
The Russian armed forces stationed along the Enguri river dividing Abkhazia and the rest of Georgia were called peacekeepers under the UN mandate but they've never been such in reality.
If this term means separation of warrior sides and prevention of further hostile actions, Russia didn't play an important role: before these troops were deployed in July 94, there had been a ceasefire in Abkhazia since September 93. Therefore, the Russian forces turned into border guards only. They also did nothing in May 1998 to stop Abkhaz assault on Gali district which resulted in about 100 deaths and 30 000 refugees among the local Georgian population. On the political level, when the Kremlin introduced a visa regime with Georgia, it didn't affect this breakaway region. Indirectly Moscow thus acknowledged that it didn't respect the territorial integrity of its neighbouring country. Next it set to issue passports to local citizens which is a blatant violation of international law. It also manned local government structures with its personnel. General Zajtsev was appointed Chief of General Staff for example. Russia unilaterally withdraw from CIS agreement imposing sanctions on Abkhazia and recognized the government in Sukhumi as a legal entity it could directly deal with. And finally after war in Tskhinvali area broke out, it attacked a last remaining Georgian-held territory in Abkhazia called the Kodori Gorge.
Well before the recognition of Abkhazia itself Moscow acted as its protector. Russia from the outset consistently sought to conduct a creeping annexation policy and it's unjust to say that Kosovo was a trigger. It may have hastened events only.
Peacekeeper and madiator need to be unbiased and can in no way be applied to Russian combat units in Abkhazia. In international practice countries are not involved in peacekeeping operations in neighbouring states. Russia might be a peacekeeper in Sudan, Lebanon, Somalia and other conflict areas worldwide, but definitely not in neighbourhood where it pursues a veiled policy of expansion.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - sektor_Gaza - 01-21-2009
Dear Peoples of the World, Let's bring Abkhasians happiness and recognise their independence!!!
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Lenus - 01-23-2009
sektor_Gaza Wrote:Dear Peoples of the World, Let's bring Abkhasians happiness and recognise their independence!!!
That's a grand idea!
Dear "Peoples" of the world, do that please, but along with the following republics:
Adygea
Altai
Bashkortostan
Buryatia
Chechnya
Chuvashia
Dagestan
Ingushetia
Kabardino-Balkaria
Kalmykia
Karachay-Cherkessia
Karelia
Khakassia
Komi
Mari El
Mordovia
North Ossetia-Alania
Sakha (Yakutia)
Tatarstan
Tyva
Udmurtia
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Lenus - 01-23-2009
Russia will be left as a grey area on this image after recognising all of the above listed republics.
Returning the snatched territories to Poland and Germany and Japan is another step forward...
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Guest - 01-23-2009
Lenus why are you so anxious about Russia? I often visit one of the regions you listed. And what? They don't seem sad being with Russia. You should explain them in person how bad they live. :-(
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Mata Hari - 01-23-2009
There are over 100 ethnic groups in North Caucasus.. lets give them independence and all the rest ethnic groups in the world (they are about 5000), the thing is not recognition, but about how they really feel. trust me they are the servibiles of russians, I personaly know some people from that place and freedom of mind is most important for them, who gives it doesnt metter, russia doesn't apply in this, opposit they brainwash this little ethnic groups to obey them easily, to make them forget their own culture and traditions, that's why there is a big aggression against R/F today... Caucasians hate to be ruled, and they will get free soon.. dagestan, ingushetia, soon will begin uprising!
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Sektor Gaza - 01-26-2009
Mata Hari Wrote:There are over 100 ethnic groups in North Caucasus.. lets give them independence and all the rest ethnic groups in the world (they are about 5000), the thing is not recognition, but about how they really feel. trust me they are the servibiles of russians, I personaly know some people from that place and freedom of mind is most important for them, who gives it doesnt metter, russia doesn't apply in this, opposit they brainwash this little ethnic groups to obey them easily, to make them forget their own culture and traditions, that's why there is a big aggression against R/F today... Caucasians hate to be ruled, and they will get free soon.. dagestan, ingushetia, soon will begin uprising!
My Dearest Mata Hari. I started to miss you so much. Eh if I could a chance to meet you only. :oops: You're so hot!
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Guest - 01-26-2009
Mata Hari Wrote:lets give them independence and all the rest ethnic groups in the world (they are about 5000)MATAHARIZM again??? :lol:
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Terry - 02-02-2009
Quote:There are over 100 ethnic groups in North Caucasus.. lets give them independence and all the rest ethnic groups in the world (they are about 5000), the thing is not recognition, but about how they really feel. trust me they are the servibiles of russians, I personaly know some people from that place and freedom of mind is most important for them, who gives it doesnt metter, russia doesn't apply in this, opposit they brainwash this little ethnic groups to obey them easily, to make them forget their own culture and traditions, that's why there is a big aggression against R/F today... Caucasians hate to be ruled, and they will get free soon.. dagestan, ingushetia, soon will begin uprising!
hope you're not serious about that
Do you understand what 5,000 ethnic groups means? You wanna let them create their own micro-states? Hmm... I wonder how difficult it would be for children in schools to learn geography and remember 5,000 Asian states :banghead
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 02-02-2009
Terry Wrote:hope you're not serious about that
Do you understand what 5,000 ethnic groups means? You wanna let them create their own micro-states? Hmm... I wonder how difficult it would be for children in schools to learn geography and remember 5,000 Asian states :banghead
But imagine how it would help to create working places to have soooo many independent states takes as much diplomatic employes to create embasies
. And it is only one region .
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - M.Helen - 02-03-2009
workplaces? These would be virtual workplaces, because public posts are paid from public money, while public money come from private money. That's why the budget will be empty :oO
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - SiD - 02-04-2009
M.Helen Wrote:workplaces? These would be virtual workplaces, because public posts are paid from public money, while public money come from private money. That's why the budget will be empty :oO
There are vertul money why not workplaces?
. I wasnt serius, just a joke sorry if it wasnt good. It is clear for everyone that no one would want to grant independence for every ethnic group on our planet.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Steven - 02-05-2009
Actually everything seems to be going vice versa... I noticed that the North American nation (taken as a whole) are more friendly than Europeans and Asians. They never complain about independence and things like that, they like their status
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Faw_Peter - 02-06-2009
Steven Wrote:Actually everything seems to be going vice versa... I noticed that the North American nation (taken as a whole) are more friendly than Europeans and Asians. They never complain about independence and things like that, they like their statusyou're right Steven. However this happens because this region is relatively new, about half of millennium. The current crisis might generate some power descentralization.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Newrussian town - 03-17-2009
Ones again!! Somebody wants to separate Russia I saw. So good luck, in this case you will be destroyed as everybody before you ( I mean the Georgian post about Siberia, Altay ect independence). The world is already knows who was started the war. So like Americans like to say,-Good guys win, bad loose. Why SO and Abkhazia are not crying?- Hey world we want to be with Georgia, and this Russians are aggressors!!!
Georgians could not kill 1500 people? They destroyed whole city, and it is miracle that they don’t kill more. Stop this Georgian bullshit, my friends was on this war, when they came to Zchinvally and pushed out this Georgian maniacs, everybody who stayed alive thanked them and called heroes.
Everybody needs to be proud of something, every nation needs to be proud of something, I see many nations that proud with nothing but hate to Russia.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Benn - 03-17-2009
I think every nation is indeed proud of something. Russia for its power, Georgia for its, maybe, wine, Belarus for its leader
... it's just that these feelings of demnity shouldn't be compared to these feelings must not disregard the demnity of other states.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Newrussian town - 03-18-2009
Benn Wrote:I think every nation is indeed proud of something. Russia for its power, Georgia for its, maybe, wine, Belarus for its leader
You Europeans like elfs from the computer games-" The oak of the world must be secured..."
I like it :haha
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Andrewz - 03-18-2009
Newrussian town Wrote:Benn Wrote:I think every nation is indeed proud of something. Russia for its power, Georgia for its, maybe, wine, Belarus for its leader
You Europeans like elfs from the computer games-" The oak of the world must be secured..."
Just because European countries are smaller in dimensions than Russia, we can't be called elfs. And which is the oak you are talking about?
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Newrussian town - 03-19-2009
Just because European countries are smaller in dimensions than Russia, we can't be called elfs. And which is the oak you are talking about?[/quote]
It was just a joke, I didn't want to injury you.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Steven - 03-20-2009
Newrussian town Wrote:Ones again!! Somebody wants to separate Russia I saw. So good luck, in this case you will be destroyed as everybody before you ( I mean the Georgian post about Siberia, Altay ect independence). The world is already knows who was started the war. So like Americans like to say,-Good guys win, bad loose. Why SO and Abkhazia are not crying?- Hey world we want to be with Georgia, and this Russians are aggressors!!!
Georgians could not kill 1500 people? They destroyed whole city, and it is miracle that they don’t kill more. Stop this Georgian bullshit, my friends was on this war, when they came to Zchinvally and pushed out this Georgian maniacs, everybody who stayed alive thanked them and called heroes.
Everybody needs to be proud of something, every nation needs to be proud of something, I see many nations that proud with nothing but hate to Russia.
Relax Newrus, nobody wants to seprate Russia. I'm really interested in what your friends are saying.I would like to hear objective things they had seen on that war. Can you tell more?
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Newrussian town - 03-24-2009
Relax Newrus, nobody wants to seprate Russia. I'm really interested in what your friends are saying.I would like to hear objective things they had seen on that war. Can you tell more?[/quote]
Only facts They are attackted our citizens, destroied the whole city, we were punished them, that is all about this war, it wasn't a war ectualy, just because no match. My friends served in the 58 army of RF forcies and in our NAVY. I can not write all things that they said to me,it will take quite a lot of time. But when they came to the one of the yard with the support of BMP one woman ran from the basement to them with a words "Russians have come!!!" and people went from the basement, and told that they were hideing from the Georgians. In that time Ossetians with the support of our artillery and army pushed this basters back to hell,and liberated the city. Why Ossetians thing that Russians had saved them? Think about it
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Steven - 03-24-2009
But you probably realize that not all people living in South Ossetia have the same opinion about Georgians. Maybe the village where your friends were was attacked accidentally by Georgians? I mean, they couldn't just kill people because they're Rusians.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - gomboreli - 03-25-2009
Newrussiantown,
You better cease your miserable mumbling turning into your own mockery and tell the audience what your bastard military have been doing to the Chechen nation for years. Also inform others how your bastard soldiers stole scores of toilet bowls from conquered military bases - in response hundreds of them were dumped at your embassy gate by vanquished but still oddly humor-gifted Georgians - as well as child toys from ransacked houses of civilians before you carry on with a rambling discourse about your brave troops.
I bet if you were Georgian you'd be a poor lackey of Saakashvili as stinky politicians like him or Putin have intoxicated the minds of their supporters and now make them say all kind of crap.
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - Guest - 03-25-2009
Newrussian town Wrote:Relax Newrus, nobody wants to seprate Russia. I'm really interested in what your friends are saying.I would like to hear objective things they had seen on that war. Can you tell more?
Only facts They are attackted our citizens, destroied the whole city, we were punished them, that is all about this war, it wasn't a war ectualy, just because no match. My friends served in the 58 army of RF forcies and in our NAVY. I can not write all things that they said to me,it will take quite a lot of time. But when they came to the one of the yard with the support of BMP one woman ran from the basement to them with a words "Russians have come!!!" and people went from the basement, and told that they were hideing from the Georgians. In that time Ossetians with the support of our artillery and army pushed this basters back to hell,and liberated the city. Why Ossetians thing that Russians had saved them? Think about it[/quote]
Well if they killed off the Georgians that lived inthat city for long time than they should be affraid of Georgian army. It is common sence. Oh I am sorry russia and common sence never used in the same sentence
Re: Abkhazia in the Georgian-Russian war 2008 - manro1 - 03-25-2009
by manro1 » Today, 19:02
It is actually very simple. In about 2011 Russia will have to re- new its lease of Ukranian city of Sevastopol, naval base. Given how friendly russia-Ukrainian relations were I don't think Ukraine is going to keep Russian base on Ukraine teritory.
So Russia need new pupet country on the shore of Black sea, Abhazia fits the bill perfectly.
I am willing to bet that when Russia will get the boot out of Ukraine it will base its ships in Abhazia.