Georgia and South Ossetia at war

[IamGEORGIA]

Oh yeah? Im Georgia, and other sites' visitors, let's be objective. I'd like to represent you our videos and our information. I advice you to see it all. I know you may say: "It's a fake, it's not true!"But I say: your videous are fake too. repeat: Let's be patient to each other!!!!
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All the russian desinformation websites.
Cant you understand that they show and they write waht Kreml wants..Your regime It is not very different form soviet union rule..

Have you mentioned, i never show you some georgian site, in order to keep balance..
you can see <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.com">http://www.bbc.com</a><!-- m -->, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.cnn.com">http://www.cnn.com</a><!-- m -->, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.hrw.com">http://www.hrw.com</a><!-- m -->, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.azdays.com">http://www.azdays.com</a><!-- m -->
They are neutral ad write aht they see..
But you do not beleive of course..
Of course most reliable websites in the world are russian!..open your eyes.. uper

[Karl.in.eu]

I live in Russia and I know the truth! It was a Georgian agression!

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Here is another terrifying video of journalists being attacked in Ossetia by Russian soldiers.

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[Trinidad]

It's all pretty sad. Bad words flying back and forth between those with opposing views. In my view, the whole affair seems to be Russian orchastrated; mass tank build up on Georgian border for many months now for a "military excercises"; yes, one massive ONE. Russian nationalism is alive and strong, and a little military excercise in the name of stopping "genocide commited by bad Georgians" would be perfect to heighten Russian patriotism. It will have many unquantifiable positives for Russia;
1. It will marginalise and demonise even more so, any Russians involved in or who support "The Other Russia-Kasporov"
2. With the Russian press basically state controlled, any open minded Journalist still left alive in Russia would be too scared to show any "other side" to the official Russian story. Any Russian citizens sitting on the fence will slide very much into the Russian nationalists way of thinking.
3. With military strikes on EU or US targets a possibility, it will be justified by the Russian masses and get their support.

It wouldn't surprise me if Medvedev knew nothing of the Russian plan and is just reacting to info and instruction from Russian Intelligence arms and military. Seeing he is the Russian front man, it will make life easier for him if he only knew the events as; "Bad Georgians, Unprovoked Georgain attacks, Georgians commiting genocide, Russians saving the day, righteously."

ANyway, as some other commentators have said, God knows all, one day when we die we all may know the real truth. I may be wrong, but if not close to 100% right am sure i am more than 50% right. If i am more right than wrong, then Putin has some serious blood on his hands. He sacrificed many Ossetians to claim "Georgian acts of genocide" He sacrificed a few Russian lives too. And then he allowed Russian Troops in, and along with savage militia to vandalise plunder and rape. My guess is, that in 4 days, Russian militia have committed many times more atrocities and acts in contraventions of the Geneva convention than the USA and EU combined in the last 15 yrs.
I also believe that Russia cannot afford to leave Georgian territory now, they are staying behind to provoke an attack to justify staying. In leaving, they will expose all their atrocities committed, they cannot afford to do this. I am afraid this is a gloves off match

Putin's God complex is going to be a serious blow to Eurasia and the world.

This definitely is little to do about Georgia, and more to do about ideology.

Democracy Vs Totalitarianism

[Annet85]

Oh yeah? Im Georgia, and other sites' visitors, let's be objective. I'd like to represent you our videos and our information. I advice you to see it all. I know you may say: "It's a fake, it's not true!"But I say: your videous are fake too. repeat: Let's be patient to each other!!!!
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I'm totally agree with you Ann. I have told to the people discussing this terrible actions here the same things. We can't do anuthing anymore. God will save the world, but we have to help him. Let be patient to all ations and try to stop such crul actions together...without quarrels and blamings...

[Tamara_Georgia Girl]

MY DEAR RUSSIAN GIRL CAN YOU ANSWER ME WHY DO YOU HAVE SKINHEADS IN RUSSIA_BECOUSE OF KILLING OTHER NATION IN YOU COUNTRY RIGHT? SO THE SAME HERE: RUSSIANS HAVE LOT OF MILITARIES IN GEORGIA TO KILL GEORGIANS.. THEY SAY :RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS, TERRIFING IN XXI ST CENTURY..DON'T BLAME ANYONE THE PRBLEMS ARE IN YOUR NATIONALISM,ITS TIME TO FORGET ABOUT COMUNISM, MILITARISM, KAPITALISM AND JUST YOU RUSSIANS FORGET ABOUT ANY I Z M_ GIVE THE ATHER COUNTRIES TO LIVE IN PEACE,IF YOU ALSO WANT A PEACE, BUT I THINK YOU ARE ONLY WAR MAKERS. TAKE A LOOK
The occupation of Ukraine by Russia - 1650s
Russia - Crimea - 1783
Russia - Poland - 1795
Russia - Eastern Georgia - September 21, 1801; April 1802
Russia -- Georgia (1810-1864)
Mass murdering of 1 Million Caucasians by Russia - 1859-1880
Russia - Japan - 1905-1905
Russia -Poland - 1920
Russia - Azerbaijan - 1920
Russia - Armenia - 1920
Russia - Poland -1939
Russia - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - 1940

And more:
Russia (USSR)- Finland - 1940
Russia (USSR)- Hungary - 1956
Russia (USSR)- Czechoslovakia - 1968
Russia (USSR)- Afghanistan - 1979-1989
Russia - Georgia - 1919, 1920 (April-May), 1921, 1924, 1991-93
Russia - Georgia - August 2008
Russia -.WHO IS THE NEXT???

[Andres]

georgian troops killed Ossetian separatists

For what they killed them?
1. separatists and terorists should be punished..

How many separatists was in Tshinvalli. 10, 100, 1000 or more?

How you can imagine this, georgian army began attaсk Tshinvalli with tanks and hard weapon at night, to find and destroy some separatists? Was separatists in this time in one place in one group or they was sleepeng in their houses in diferent places and georgian soldiers moved on tanks to every house? I can`t imagine this. To destroy some criminal group is not reasonably to use big army and destroy all city. :nonnon

[IamGEORGIA]

I think you dont know full story..
These separatist-terorists were backe by russian government..backed financially, and backed militarirly..
There were huge amount of russian tanks and grads there..There were at about 1000-2000 separatists terorists..They were shooting from this weapon and killing georgian peaceful citizens..
after a week of provocation georgian forces started to asnwer..the had to defend our citizens and Ossetian brothers..
They did it..
its true many civilians have died..
Most of hem died while russian jets were bombing central cities of georgia, which are faaar form conflict region..do you understand it?
Even now, russian regular army is still standing in Gori, Senaki and Zugdidi, robing, stealing, and kidnapping people..Yesterday and rape one girl and then kidnapped her..
All the bustards...

[Andres]

To Tamara_Georgia Girl

You should understand, Georgia just a pawn in a big game of America, America don`t care about georgian people, they just have some interests. And Georgia is not independent now how you think, it`s depends of America very much and it`s a pity. America acts "in name of democracy", begin wars like in Iraq, but it only war for oil not for freedom, just a buisness. Open your eyes. Russia don`t need nothing from Georgia, maybe you think Russia want to add S.Osetia and Abhazia territory, compare this areas with russian and think.

[IamGEORGIA]

everyone watch it

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!!!

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you see burning houses..

[IamRUSSIAN]

I have some questions:
1 - Who have begun war in South Ossetia and have destroyed 80 % of Tskhinvali? Russian or Georgians? Or Ossetins???
2 - Where inhabitants of Ossetia run? To Georgia or to Russia?
3 - What one country renders the humanitarian help to Ossetins? Russia or Georgia? Or EU and the USA???
Answer these questions to fairly itself.

[IamGEORGIA]

I have some questions:
1 - Who have begun war in South Ossetia and have destroyed 80 % of Tskhinvali? Russian or Georgians? Or Ossetins???
2 - Where inhabitants of Ossetia run? To Georgia or to Russia?
3 - What one country renders the humanitarian help to Ossetins? Russia or Georgia? Or EU and the USA???
Answer these questions to fairly itself.

Simple questions:
1. Ossetian separatists..(by the wayfew days earlierl to kidnapped georgian policemen, escalated conflict)
2.30 000 in georgia, tbilisi..another 25 -30 000 in north ossetia...most of them were taken from tskinvali days earlier by russian peacekeepers into N Ossetia..they have planned this operation months ago..Russian i mean..
3. Georgia, Estonia, Turkey, Ukraine, Latvia, Poland, lithuania, USA, EU etc.
but in the regions only russian troops are standing now, and do not let freely humanitarian help there..
even doctors can not move there freely..
its russian "peacekeepers"

[maryusha]

what is really goin' on? i guess i know... i met some guys from Georgia last year. that time everything was ok. When they heard i speak russian they started , blamin' me that im kinda silly person. Mr. Saakashvili completely fooled them with supporting of the US. He made them hate everything somehow connected to Russia and USSR. But before the USSR Georgia was such a savage country.
im really angry that people all the world listen only to Georgia's explanations. http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=frk0D-QKzXc this is video when Mr. President runs from the imaginary attack of russian air forces.
Also, here's US news. Watch 'em! They look really anxious! http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMVUKPDZw4
Maybe Russia is not an aggressor and we should think that Georgia's president is commitin' crimes against S. Ossetia.

[IamRUSSIAN]

I have some questions:
1 - Who have begun war in South Ossetia and have destroyed 80 % of Tskhinvali? Russian or Georgians? Or Ossetins???
2 - Where inhabitants of Ossetia run? To Georgia or to Russia?
3 - What one country renders the humanitarian help to Ossetins? Russia or Georgia? Or EU and the USA???
Answer these questions to fairly itself.

Simple questions:
1. Ossetian separatists..(by the wayfew days earlierl to kidnapped georgian policemen, escalated conflict)
2.30 000 in georgia, tbilisi..another 25 -30 000 in north ossetia...most of them were taken from tskinvali days earlier by russian peacekeepers into N Ossetia..they have planned this operation months ago..Russian i mean..
3. Georgia, Estonia, Turkey, Ukraine, Latvia, Poland, lithuania, USA, EU etc.
but in the regions only russian troops are standing now, and do not let freely humanitarian help there..
even doctors can not move there freely..
its russian "peacekeepers"

Comments:
1 Ossetins killed themselves? By means of the Georgian bombers, artillery and rifles? Russian army have entered into Ossetia next day after humanitarian accident.
2 Osset refugees run to Russia because to run towards to Georgia to an aggressor it silly.
3 Humanitarian help arrives to Ossetia from Russia only. Yesterday the Red Cross has started to render the help.

[IamGEORGIA]

I have some questions:
1 - Who have begun war in South Ossetia and have destroyed 80 % of Tskhinvali? Russian or Georgians? Or Ossetins???
2 - Where inhabitants of Ossetia run? To Georgia or to Russia?
3 - What one country renders the humanitarian help to Ossetins? Russia or Georgia? Or EU and the USA???
Answer these questions to fairly itself.

Simple questions:
1. Ossetian separatists..(by the wayfew days earlierl to kidnapped georgian policemen, escalated conflict)
2.30 000 in georgia, tbilisi..another 25 -30 000 in north ossetia...most of them were taken from tskinvali days earlier by russian peacekeepers into N Ossetia..they have planned this operation months ago..Russian i mean..
3. Georgia, Estonia, Turkey, Ukraine, Latvia, Poland, lithuania, USA, EU etc.
but in the regions only russian troops are standing now, and do not let freely humanitarian help there..
even doctors can not move there freely..
its russian "peacekeepers"

Comments:
1 Ossetins killed themselves? By means of the Georgian bombers, artillery and rifles? Russian army have entered into Ossetia next day after humanitarian accident.
2 Osset refugees run to Russia because to run towards to Georgia to an aggressor it silly.
3 Humanitarian help arrives to Ossetia from Russia only. Yesterday the Red Cross has started to render the help.

1. do you have any problems with english?
you asked, who have started..i inswered: Ossetian Separatists (not ossetian people) and they received answer.
2. there are 30 000 refugees un Tbilisi from the region..
3. In tskinvali now only rusian tropps are standing and let russian help there..
in georgia 17 planes arrived only from USA with help..additinoal 17 cars from turkey..
So, dont be silly..and watcj some other channels beisde NTV and 1 kanal..
better for you..
Maybe then you wont say such stupid things..

[IamRUSSIAN]

I think you have any problems with keyboard and pass letters.
I choose that to me to look. My friend in the Russian army participated in this conflict and I am perfectly informed on a course of events.

[IamGEORGIA]

I think you have any problems with keyboard and pass letters.
I choose that to me to look. My friend in the Russian army participated in this conflict and I am perfectly informed on a course of events.

Doubt about it..

Ask him what happened to 58th army?
And another prestigious special unit og russian army (not peacekeepers) uper

[Andres]

[quote="Andres
How many separatists was in Tshinvalli. 10, 100, 1000 or more?

How you can imagine this, georgian army began attaсk Tshinvalli with tanks and hard weapon at night, to find and destroy some separatists? Was separatists in this time in one place in one group or they was sleepeng in their houses in diferent places and georgian soldiers moved on tanks to every house? I can`t imagine this. To destroy some criminal group is not reasonably to use big army and destroy all city. :nonnon

I think you dont know full story..
These separatist-terorists were backe by russian government..backed financially, and backed militarirly..
There were huge amount of russian tanks and grads there..There were at about 1000-2000 separatists terorists..They were shooting from this weapon and killing georgian peaceful citizens..
after a week of provocation georgian forces started to asnwer..

I know all story. Do you know that Osetian people wanted to be independent from Georgia, and this is a nature of Georgia-Osetian conflict. And what you named separatist-terorists it`s just a army of this people.

"georgian forces started to asnwer.." You have to said Georgia began war with Osetia, because it was wide full war operation with tanks and aviation, and georgian president has declared it. And was killed many peacfull people by Georgian forces, and it was before than Russia enter to Osetia.

And some hours before than Georgian troops enter to Osetia, Saakashvili has declared that Georgia stops any fire (shooting) , but it was a lie, in the next morning Tshinvalli was totally destroyed and many people dead! Thousands Osetian people had to escape to Russia to find protection from their 'brothers'! Osetia ask Russia to help them!

I hope later all truth will be uncovered, and people will see proofs of Saakashvili`s crime, and it will be great shame for evrybody who cover the truth now!!!

Look it, it`s just first cases:

Fox News: 12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth about Georgia
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American citizen telling the truth about Georgian invade in South Osetia
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[SiD]

MY DEAR RUSSIAN GIRL CAN YOU ANSWER ME WHY DO YOU HAVE SKINHEADS IN RUSSIA_BECOUSE OF KILLING OTHER NATION IN YOU COUNTRY RIGHT? SO THE SAME HERE: RUSSIANS HAVE LOT OF MILITARIES IN GEORGIA TO KILL GEORGIANS.. THEY SAY :RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS, TERRIFING IN XXI ST CENTURY..DON'T BLAME ANYONE THE PRBLEMS ARE IN YOUR NATIONALISM,ITS TIME TO FORGET ABOUT COMUNISM, MILITARISM, KAPITALISM AND JUST YOU RUSSIANS FORGET ABOUT ANY I Z M_ GIVE THE ATHER COUNTRIES TO LIVE IN PEACE,IF YOU ALSO WANT A PEACE, BUT I THINK YOU ARE ONLY WAR MAKERS. TAKE A LOOK
The occupation of Ukraine by Russia - 1650s
Russia - Crimea - 1783
Russia - Poland - 1795
Russia - Eastern Georgia - September 21, 1801; April 1802
Russia -- Georgia (1810-1864)
Mass murdering of 1 Million Caucasians by Russia - 1859-1880
Russia - Japan - 1905-1905
Russia -Poland - 1920
Russia - Azerbaijan - 1920
Russia - Armenia - 1920
Russia - Poland -1939
Russia - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - 1940

And more:
Russia (USSR)- Finland - 1940
Russia (USSR)- Hungary - 1956
Russia (USSR)- Czechoslovakia - 1968
Russia (USSR)- Afghanistan - 1979-1989
Russia - Georgia - 1919, 1920 (April-May), 1921, 1924, 1991-93
Russia - Georgia - August 2008
Russia -.WHO IS THE NEXT???

OO we have skinnheads!!! Didnt you resived full support from some countries were former nazi soldiers are viewed as "fighters for tier country freedom"? Parhaps they had come to learn how to commit genocide and try to stay clean from you? There was 1941-1945 but you too selective for it, isnt you?
I am amused to hear about country seeking peacefull relationship with Russia by joining alliance that is seen as a treat by Russians. If you seek no peacefull relationship with us then just admit it and shut up about "aggressive Russia". You have your sovereignity but remember it comes with advantages and disanvantages. You are not in empty space you know there are many nations around you with thier own interests.
And stop your panic no one wants Georgia accupied or destroyed. It is 21st century you know.

[Tiporg]

Germany - All world - 1939 - 1945

WHO IS THE NEXT??? :haha

[Alenika]

Good afternoon.
Could someone explain me, why for years and perhaps centuries Russia and Georgia were friends and had close relationship, but since Saakashvili became president russian appeared as enemies? How it is possible to change peoples mind in couple of years?
As for me, it's hurt to realize that russian lost honest and real georgian as a friends.

[IamRUSSIAN]

Good afternoon.
Could someone explain me, why for years and perhaps centuries Russia and Georgia were friends and had close relationship, but since Saakashvili became president russian appeared as enemies? How it is possible to change peoples mind in couple of years?
As for me, it's hurt to realize that russian lost honest and real georgian as a friends.

Russian do not wish to talk to Saakashvili who is the murderer of thousand people. Certainly Georgians are not guilty that have chosen such president. Relations between us are spoilt for a long time.

[Alenika]

"Russian do not wish to talk to Saakashvili who is the murderer of thousand people. Certainly Georgians are not guilty that have chosen such president. Relations between us are spoilt for a long time".

Dear IamRUSSIAN,
according to your reply, Saakashvili succed to change even russian mind. Yes, he is murderer, but i still believe that relations between russian and georgian would changed one day.

[IamGEORGIA]

Good afternoon.
Could someone explain me, why for years and perhaps centuries Russia and Georgia were friends and had close relationship, but since Saakashvili became president russian appeared as enemies? How it is possible to change peoples mind in couple of years?
As for me, it's hurt to realize that russian lost honest and real georgian as a friends.

We were blind..
those 70 years was the darkest period of our History...
Saakashvili,our president, tries to make our country free from russian interest..
We, ordinalry people, will never forgive what you are doing now, (even at the moment when im tiping, your soldiers are robbing houses and bases of Gori, Zugdidi, Senaki and Poti), and out friendship never could be the same with people, whose president destroyes caountry, and you, ordinary russian, are quiet, and back your president...


Today we have new surprises from russian "peacekeepers" : they are burning forests...we face ecological catastrophe..

After all this, no talks about friendship...
From now, our freinds are Ukrainnians, Lithuanians, Polish, Latvians, Estonians, Turkish people, Americans, etc.not russians!!!

[Nana Chapidze]

Good afternoon.
Could someone explain me, why for years and perhaps centuries Russia and Georgia were friends and had close relationship, but since Saakashvili became president russian appeared as enemies? How it is possible to change peoples mind in couple of years?
As for me, it's hurt to realize that russian lost honest and real georgian as a friends.

Well, Georgians and Russians were friends and I hope this will continue so... Many Geogians still have russian friends and have good relations. However, Russian-Georgian relations have never been friendly in a political view. Georgia has lost his jurisdiction over his own territories Abkhazia and Samachablo (called "South Osetia") because Russia has always wanted to gain his control on the territories and only Russia, not anyone else, has stirred up hatred between ethnic osetian people (settled in our georgian territory a few centuries ago) and Georgian, and developed ideas to separate from Georgia.

Today, Russia is angry because his will to occupy these territories has been stretched long in time and it became a reality to finally restore Territorial integrity of Georgia. Russia understood that it became a reality to defeat his imeperialistic intereset and that he could lose Abkhazia and Osetia. So, Russia used a real bloody provokation to involve Georgia in this horror to realize his military agression. And here is no role of Saakashvili to cause enemity between the two countries. Saakashvili, as all the Georgian nation, wishes to restore Georgia`s territorial integrity and live in peace.

Had you watched on TV, what Russian soldiers are doing in Georgia now? This is horrible, they are mourdering, killing, raping and robbing population in occupied territories in Georgia and these people are especially ethnic georgians, also osetians and even russian who live here. In the last days they have robbed and beaten russian family and this family now talks about it and proves that the robbers and aggressive soldiers were russian soldiers with osetian bandits.

This is the very sad truth ...

[kimi1990]

i just can lought, what russians are doing why they need soup s and clothes, kitchen utensils , toilet things , and other??? tey are taking our friends and no one knows what are they doing with them >>> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://images.google.ge/imgres?imgurl=http://www.itic.org.ge/cmt/georgiamap.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.itic.org.ge/cmt/georgiamap.htm&h=422&w=723&sz=41&hl=ka&start=20&um=1&tbnid=Dt6HbEp9GeTbKM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgeorgia%2Bmap%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dka%26sa%3DG">http://images.google.ge/imgres?imgurl=h ... a%26sa%3DG</a><!-- m --> <___ if you go on thet link you will see citys whitch russians bombed they are with red colour ... and you will see that it's too far from conflict and on those city s aren't russian peacekeepers ..