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Georgia and South Ossetia at war
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08-17-2008, 08:32 AM
And you know what is shocking that the russian generals admit that their beggar soldiers are looting, saying that they cannot provide them with food and clothes, so they have nth left than to steel from the civilians, and that's their great army! Shame on RUSSIA!
08-17-2008, 08:37 AM
Tamar,
I distinctly remember when Russians took over Pristina airport, the reason for not leaving afterwards was... lack of diesel. I am serious. NATO forces had to get them diesel to get rid of them. I bet Stalin Statue in Gori was observing with Smirk how Glorious Red Army was stealing Second Hand Toilet Seats in his own town. Pathetic.
"Europe should switch to nuclear and use the old gas pipes as sewers. The destination should be the Kremlin." @ a reader at timesonline.co.uk
08-17-2008, 08:49 AM
People,
this strategy is used by russian for it's whole history. IN order to conquer territories it was blaming other conutries in genocide. I'm providing you with a document film about russian. PLease download and watch it. Here is a real face of Russia. By the way this film is prohibitied to be broadcasted in to russia. How come, they are democratic country as it is stated by their propagandists. Here is a collection of links that shows true picture of the aggression agains Georgia. You may wish to distribute it to your friends. Alternatively these will help you in a debate over the war. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7547888.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7547888.stm</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2008/0808.html">http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatc ... /0808.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4484849.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 484849.ece</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=427&issue_id=4579&article_id=2373282">http://www.jamestown.org/publications_d ... id=2373282</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373298">http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373298</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.rferl.org/content/South_Ossetia_Crisis_Could_Be_Russian_Chance_To_Defeat_Siloviki/1189525.html">http://www.rferl.org/content/South_Osse ... 89525.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://halldor2.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/joint-statement-by-presidents-of-poland-estonia-latvia-and-lithuania/">http://halldor2.wordpress.com/2008/08/0 ... lithuania/</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSL9355010">http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCr ... 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href="http://www.rferl.org/content/West_Fails_To_Deter_Georgian_President_From_Playing_Into_Russian_Hands/1190098.html">http://www.rferl.org/content/West_Fails ... 90098.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373304">http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373304</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373303">http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373303</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.globalpowereurope.eu/2008/08/georgia-next-yugoslavia.html">http://www.globalpowereurope.eu/2008/08 ... lavia.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2531270/Georgia-Russia-demands-to-be-regarded-as-number-one.html">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... r-one.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" 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Though these information as well is very interesting and related with the case. As for the film please here are the links. You have to download all of them and then start watching.  <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123266382/USSR_2008.part01.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123266382/U ... part01.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123274160/USSR_2008.part02.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123274160/U ... part02.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123282750/USSR_2008.part03.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123282750/U ... part03.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123291533/USSR_2008.part04.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123291533/U ... part04.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123300439/USSR_2008.part05.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123300439/U ... part05.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123309430/USSR_2008.part06.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123309430/U ... part06.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123319717/USSR_2008.part07.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123319717/U ... part07.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123329447/USSR_2008.part08.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123329447/U ... part08.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123333023/USSR_2008.part09.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123333023/U ... part09.rar</a><!-- m -->
08-17-2008, 09:20 AM
Lenus Wrote:Lex, I can give you the source of information - SOUTH OSSETIA JOINT CONTROL COMMISSION. The question is up to them - it's an official information. About shot Russians - OSCE and others (means Georgian) had different control posts (roads) so other simply let the georgian troops pass throught. Russian posts were placed around Tskhinvali.
08-17-2008, 09:38 AM
Lex
I understand about Georgian Pecekeepers. OSCE peacekeepers were stationed separately? Do not think so, They ought to do patrolling together. Anyway, If OSCE peacekeepers are not involved and not harmed, Russian side could have done the same. In fact, that is what Georgian Govt Claims happened. Now your responce could be, that Russian Peacekeepers were protecting Russian so colled Citizens. And my responce is: THERE IS A REASON WHY SAME COUNTRY CANNOT BE THE SIDE OF THE CONFLICT AND THE PEACEKEEPER AT THE SAME TIME. Do you agree?
"Europe should switch to nuclear and use the old gas pipes as sewers. The destination should be the Kremlin." @ a reader at timesonline.co.uk
08-17-2008, 09:41 AM
I have last information from friends in GEorgian resort near Gori -Surami, there vacationing there with children when this nightmare begins and are at this moent blocked there. At evening 16 Aug.russian solgers came to there house and ask for food there were 30 of them. There ere fead by locals and vacationing Tbilisi peoplle , after this they leave and " promise" to be back soon. There words were - we dont know what will the order: you feed us but meybe we will have order to shoot you. It was told cinicali. So at this moment drunken Borisov is thinking what to do. It depends how drunken he will be and if he wants additional vodka will it be available for him.
only we- post soviet countries are awere about Russians what are in reality.
08-17-2008, 09:51 AM
Lenus Wrote:Lex This is clear that the party who represents the conflict side couldn't be the so called PEACEKEEPERS. This is clear for civilian people and for those who have brains. But for russians this is not the argument. Even more they still insist that they are not representing conflict party, they just are defending their citizens. So I can't realize, russian citizen is still in the territory of other country and Russian is defending them there? If it is the case then please take those people who don't wish to live here, in Georiga, in their mother country, where they do have a citizenship - Russia. Thus the problem will be over that way. :haha
08-17-2008, 09:54 AM
Joint Control Commission for Georgian-Ossetian Conflict Resolution is a peacekeeping force, operating in South Ossetia.
Created in 1992 after the South Ossetian War, it consists of 4 members with equal representation: Georgia, North Ossetia, Russia, and South Ossetia. ----- Lex I bet you dont have Georgia's voice there whatever you are claiming to happen, so do you have a tangible source or not?
"Europe should switch to nuclear and use the old gas pipes as sewers. The destination should be the Kremlin." @ a reader at timesonline.co.uk
08-17-2008, 10:38 AM
[quote="Eka"]
In some points I agree but I dont agree that because russinas want to have influance on us we can not choose another option. War is war I an sure 100% not 1 georgian solger was shooting in women and chid. There are 44 civilian victims dont agree with your propaganda. If there are more victims it is because russins rushed with there troops and begin to bomb tskinvali our troops immidiatly withdrow not to have many civilian victims. Georgian are fighting for indepedanc but NEVER, NEVER kill inocent people but some victims may be and I am deeple sorry but look at RUS. troops - they are not troops they are draunken mongolian ordas of little boys from orphanages in siberia. Russian generals does not count there solger but we do. So dont belive I am 100 and again 100% sure most vicitms in tskinvali were from russian weapons and I hope int. experts will confirm it if RUs generals and military prosecutores will not have enaugh time to clean up there weapons from thoese place.I am not sure too many time is gone and waisted. Goergians does not enter tskinvali. THey begin operation to defence Georgian villages from ongoing agression of terorists and separatists and rus " peace kippers". THis villages are in 5-8 km fromk tskinvali. after this I dont know what happened I am sure that russinas begin the first stage of operation and after they late georgians to enter town they beghin to bomb town and rest of this tragedy I already explained. They are much more vicitims froma GEorgain side and much more refugies, so count who is correct and who no. This war was wonderfull present for russians so they begin it ( 1000-15000 tanks in 30 min from caucasian montines !!!! IT IS IMPOSIBLE IF YOU ARE NOT PREPEARING LONG BEFORE ) and shortage of weapons from georgian side ( IF YOU ARE PREPEARING for long lasted operation!!!!!IT IS IMPOSSIBLE).[/quote] Just for you Mariam. Now go ahead and chek your own development if you have one. Read something before write nonsense about me. But since you are so weak minded i will explain: I was talking im my answer to this post that i can not take serius any words from person that think this is true. Such military undertaking is impossable for any country. I thought it is clear and my answer will be understood, but i have overestamated capability of clear thinking and reading something by some persons. Such as you.
08-17-2008, 10:43 AM
I'm tired of that, russian did you know that your soldjers split up georgia on 2 parts?? my boyfriend is on guria and he cann't come on tbilisi .. i miss him too much but the way is full of russians and they are stilling everuthing
08-17-2008, 10:44 AM
Shame on you guys.
You are turning russian early history upside down. You know why? Just because you hate us. You started the war also because of this reason. And you weren't involved into Beslan, so please be quiet. And you did the best what you can, you force russian people to hate you in return. Good! Continue doing it!
08-17-2008, 10:46 AM
SiD,
You are going personal. Stop evaluating people and start appreciating opinions. Idea vs Idea, Not Person vs Person.
"Europe should switch to nuclear and use the old gas pipes as sewers. The destination should be the Kremlin." @ a reader at timesonline.co.uk
08-17-2008, 10:49 AM
Alenika
What do you mean I wasnt involved in BEslan? AS ti was said here to Georgian fellows: "You cannot make us SIlent here". Maybe its the way to talk in your courtry, but not in mine, and not in here I suppose nobody from here has been involved in Tskhinvali but there are nearly 100 pages of opinions. Should we shut them all up too?
"Europe should switch to nuclear and use the old gas pipes as sewers. The destination should be the Kremlin." @ a reader at timesonline.co.uk
08-17-2008, 10:52 AM
SID.. what's the problem?
Are you running out of arguments? From my comment you took only what you thought is wrong and started to comment on it!! Whatever good point i made you IGNORED it!! That is called being coward and not facing the reality!! This conversation is being stupid! No matter how many proves people give you, reports, photos historical facts, you totally ignore them and then you want us to be touched by your pro-Russia arguments. Well i don't feel touched. I think everything you say it's wrong! And no matter how much you talk, won't change my mind. My idea is based on REAL historical facts, on conversation with EU diplomats and with both, Russians and Georgians. You idea is based only on your prejudices and your blindfold!! The funny thing is that in EU, they already start showing interviews with people that voted for Nazis and thought at the time that they had a right cause. NOW, after 60 years they are sorry. So probably it will take 50 years at least for you to see how messed up are the Russian politics. Therefore i don't plan to unwash your brain. It's impossible. Sadly enough for you, YOU will have this on your conscience years from now....
08-17-2008, 11:12 AM
hey say to me have you benn on lpace where it happend??? i mean ckhinvali and gori??? sure noooooo and i was on gori whan it started
so i am telling you that near tskinvali russian tanks and soldjers were 3 days along before war, they were waiting something.. on secound war started on morning and georgianforces take osetia on 12 o'clock night, on evening i was talking with my friends father witch was living on tskinvali, he said that russian tanks were on teritory of tskinvali and they are waiting something so shut your mouth up
08-17-2008, 11:28 AM
Lenus Wrote:Lex You are vulgarizing too much. Read the 1992 Dagomys arrangement between Georgia - S-Ossetia and Russian. It is clearly pointed out that Russian peace keepers are obligated to use military force in situation where Georgia troops attack S-Ossetia or conversely. I'm not saying it is an reasonable treaty. But it is legal - and in force. What You think an peacekeeping mission should or should not include is indeed irrelevant in this case.
08-17-2008, 11:32 AM
Lor Wrote:SID.. what's the problem? I ignored nothing. How were you writing " Idoubt your knowledge", i showed you were wrong to say that and you doubt knowledge of georgians. You complitelly missunderstood me, have i any apologie? You were wrong but have you admitted it? NO. You once again have lacture how wrong i am and how blind all russians are. Sorry but it is you who havent noticed post i was answering. Do you need 50 years to re read and accept that you were wrong and make an appologie for missunderstanding?
08-17-2008, 11:34 AM
Independent,
Do you know what the Vulgarizing mean? Anyway, Dagomys agreement is one thing, but Russia's giving passports out AFTER that treaty is another. So, take into account - Russia was Peacekeepers first, and They made conflict side Russian citizens AFTERWARDS! That is called treaterous way of taking other people's lands. And if what I think is logical sure it has relevance
"Europe should switch to nuclear and use the old gas pipes as sewers. The destination should be the Kremlin." @ a reader at timesonline.co.uk
08-17-2008, 11:37 AM
Georgians, you proved that fact that "in Georgia broadcasting of all TV channels was prohibited (exept one Georgian channel with Saakashvilli's propoganda) The Internet was locked". I think there is no comments. Saakashvilly didn't allow you to learn the truth! Ha-ha-ha!!!! I'm rolling around with lauthing! You're so naive, I see. You belived in everything that your GITLER told you! :lol: Well, you remind me new German-georgians. :lol: "Behold, Europe - says Georgia, - Here we go!" All Ossetians, who are in Europe now, be quick to hide! Georgia will find you werever you are! :lol: :lol: :lol:
08-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Ann from Russia Wrote:Georgians, you proved that fact that "in Georgia broadcasting of all TV channels was prohibited (exept one Georgian channel with Saakashvilli's propoganda) The Internet was locked". I think there is no comments. Saakashvilly didn't allow you to learn the truth! Ha-ha-ha!!!! I'm rolling around with lauthing! You're so naive, I see. You belived in everything that your GITLER told you! :lol: Well, you remind me new German-georgians. :lol: "Behold, Europe - says Georgia, - Here we go!" All Ossetians, who are in Europe now, be quick to hide! Georgia will find you werever you are! :lol: :lol: :lol: FOR DUMMIES: DOWLOUD THESE LINKS AND YOU WILL SEE THE REAL FACE OF RUSSIA. AND OF COURSE THERE ARE THE pARALLELS AND LINKS BETWEEN PUTINS GOVERNANCE AND GITLER GOVERNANCE. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123266382/USSR_2008.part01.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123266382/U ... part01.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123274160/USSR_2008.part02.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123274160/U ... part02.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123282750/USSR_2008.part03.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123282750/U ... part03.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123291533/USSR_2008.part04.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123291533/U ... part04.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123300439/USSR_2008.part05.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123300439/U ... part05.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123309430/USSR_2008.part06.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123309430/U ... part06.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123319717/USSR_2008.part07.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123319717/U ... part07.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123329447/USSR_2008.part08.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123329447/U ... part08.rar</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://rapidshare.com/files/123333023/USSR_2008.part09.rar">http://rapidshare.com/files/123333023/U ... part09.rar</a><!-- m --> INfo for Russian propagandists: Merkel has arrived. She was in Sochi and she condemn Russian agression agains Georgia. Don;t forget that Germany so far was the most close partner of Russian in EU. Also Sarkozi, today strictly requesated from your President (medvedev) to withdraw is dirty army from our territories and that liliput promised to start the process from tomoroow. Interesting yea. Some persons pretending here as if they represent some EU country so far insisted that Europe doesn't supports us. :haha
08-17-2008, 12:02 PM
Mariam Wrote:INfo for Russian propagandists: Merkel has arrived. She was in Sochi and she condemn Russian agression agains Georgia. Don;t forget that Germany so far was the most close partner of Russian in EU. Also Sarkozi, today strictly requesated from your President (medvedev) to withdraw is dirty army from our territories and that liliput promised to start the process from tomoroow. Interesting yea. Some persons pretending here as if they represent some EU country so far insisted that Europe doesn't supports us. Do not fool yourselves. Europeans doesnt want unstable war torn region near them that is why they try to stop hostilities. And remember that our peacekeepers are not going anywere so think for yourselves.
08-17-2008, 12:05 PM
SiD Wrote:[/quote]Eka Wrote:In some points I agree but I dont agree that because russinas want to have influance on us we can not choose another option. War is war I an sure 100% not 1 georgian solger was shooting in women and chid. There are 44 civilian victims dont agree with your propaganda. If there are more victims it is because russins rushed with there troops and begin to bomb tskinvali our troops immidiatly withdrow not to have many civilian victims. Georgian are fighting for indepedanc but NEVER, NEVER kill inocent people but some victims may be and I am deeple sorry but look at RUS. troops - they are not troops they are draunken mongolian ordas of little boys from orphanages in siberia. Russian generals does not count there solger but we do. So dont belive I am 100 and again 100% sure most vicitms in tskinvali were from russian weapons and I hope int. experts will confirm it if RUs generals and military prosecutores will not have enaugh time to clean up there weapons from thoese place.I am not sure too many time is gone and waisted. Hei you little sinic. First I will tell you that nothing is Impossible - just to know. Second Your tanks and other military equipment is not accaptable by your militarists, that's why they have stolen and still are keeping to stole Our military equipment which we bought from America. Second Your government with Separatis OSetians and Abkhazians far ago planned everything. So They reinforced their forces just behind the ROCK pass. When our solders entered to Tskhinvali your forces started to pass the ROCK. THerefore it took 30 minutes to occupy our territories. Is it clear for "SUCH A HIGH INTELLECTUAL" person as you are? :haha
08-17-2008, 12:07 PM
SiD Wrote:Mariam Wrote:INfo for Russian propagandists: Merkel has arrived. She was in Sochi and she condemn Russian agression agains Georgia. Don;t forget that Germany so far was the most close partner of Russian in EU. Also Sarkozi, today strictly requesated from your President (medvedev) to withdraw is dirty army from our territories and that liliput promised to start the process from tomoroow. Interesting yea. Some persons pretending here as if they represent some EU country so far insisted that Europe doesn't supports us. And after those areguments I listed here you still insist that this is my wish? I told you are UNDEVELOPED NATION :haha YOUr WAR MAKERS and not Peacekeepers will be fucked off from tomorrow!! watch it out dummy. :haha
08-17-2008, 12:11 PM
Lenus Wrote:Do you know what the Vulgarizing mean? That word was really a bad choice - I apologize my bad english. Meaning was that for me Your comment seemed a little simplistic. Lenus Wrote:Anyway, Dagomys agreement is one thing, but Russia's giving passports out AFTER that treaty is another. Giving passports really sounds odd - but why they was given, there are indeed many other reasons as well. I suppose that You know S-Ossetia was in facto autonomic since 1992. They have e.g. their own government, president and they even don't have same currency as Georgia itself. Georgia was not giving passports for S-Ossetia citizens and because other countries didn't recognize S-Ossetias independence they were no way to e.g. travel. And it has last almost 2 decades now. Lenus Wrote:So, take into account - Russia was Peacekeepers first, and They made conflict side Russian citizens AFTERWARDS! Yeah - but then again... Georgia troops attacks to Tskhinvali - kills civilians - and after that withdraw out of S-Ossetia. If not followed and disarmed the threat remains. And yes Dagomys treaty gives russians some kind of justification to follow and disarm them. I'm not saying that Russians did that only to protect SO, they have their own interest to do so. But Georgias "miscalculation" gave them the justification they had waited for long time. Lenus Wrote:That is called treaterous way of taking other people's lands. They will not keep the land, but withdraw after few days. Just now they are intercepting because Bush and Rice told them to leave immediately - they just want to show that US have no power over them. It is not related to Georgia anymore - but geopolitic in Poland and Baltia Lenus Wrote:And if what I think is logical sure it has relevance But real world have never act up logically... ( I mean in sense of justice and common interest)
08-17-2008, 12:17 PM
SiD Wrote:And remember that our peacekeepers are not going anywere so think for yourselves. Sorry but which peacekeepers? Who were trained in this Spring in Northern Ossetia how to invade Georgia? Peacekeepers which genocide Ossetian and Georgian People in S. Ossetia? Peacekeepers who were waiting for provocation alongside Georgian northern borders and in Abkhazia? Peacekeepers who are robbing Georgia? Think that Russia has different understanding of the word PEACEKEEPER than world. You can read Human Right Watch reports and learn what kind of peacekeeper is Russia Georgia: Russian Cluster Bombs Kill Civilians Stop Using Weapon Banned by 107 Nations http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/...i19625.htm Georgian Villages in South Ossetia Burnt, Looted http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/...i19607.htm |
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