Kosovo's independence...

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Something stinks in this independence business! :?

[Pantelija Topalovic]

28.06.1389 - 28.06..... it is just a metter of time....

[Guest]

In my humble opinion as ex KFOR solider, I think that Serbs and Albanians are right and wrong at the same time about Kosovo. There is a lot of B... S... about this subject, a lot of albanian and serbian propaganda. Thing that i know, things are not black and white in this matter and that we came to Kosovo to save ethnic albanian population from raging serbs, and we ended saving serbs from albanians.
I also noticed there some interesting (to me) facts: Oldest buidings on kosovo are serbian fortresses and churches from 9 th century, and albanian have 300 yrs old mosques. Albanians are large ethnic majority and serbs are minority. About time of 1st WW (1914) and serbs and albanians was 50 % of Kosovos population, and had good relations. Average albanian family have 4 or 5 children, and serb family has one or 2 children. Serbs are afraid of albanians, albanians are not afraid of serbs. Serbs familyes mostly are poor and live in small and old houses, and albanians are not so, and live in bigger houses. Older serbians and older albanians live together and help each other, at the same time young serbs and albanians hate each other. Most of populated places in Kosovo with ethnicly clean albanian population have serbian origin names, and old and half ruined serbian graveyards in centre. Word "Kosovo" on serbian means hills with tall grass, on albanian language means nothing.
And at the end I think that real bad guys in this sad story are US and EU administration. Instead to help them to find some acceptable solution for problem they decided to take one side in this conflict. Kososvo's independence is triumph of our force and clumsiness over justice, another big explosive mess up, just hidden under the carpet.

At last, someone who have brain, eyes and morality to say the truth... thank you

[fim]

Hi to everyone, ops sorry not to serb-hegemonists!

I consider that USA and EU have don greaat job by suporting Republik of Kosovo for it's independenc, and gud bles all of them for duing the right thing... Succes!

Serbs are bandit-nation related in ultranationalism-organized-crim.
Serb-princip was allways like guerila-bandit-grups going around in the neighboring countries atacking vilagers riping, mordering and stilling, but what they can't take with them, than they burn&destroy!
As the serb-guerilla-bandits lutering around in kosovo, turks in kompanion with albanians located and captured serbs lutering, drinking alcohol and selebrating the burglary, turks executed all czar-bandits coting theyr head off.
Now serbs call this bandit's ass thier heroes, and demand a piece of kake from Kosovo..., see that how smart serb's is!
Oh yeah, we heard that often serbs say "Kosovo is hart of serbia", and the Kroacia "leg of Serbia" and in rusia "ass of serbia", and if they are loud to enter EU hmmm... what is gon to be for serbia eee?

I think it's best solution isolate serbia until it blows from inside, and that wan't take long..., than they have to give up all theyr criminals hiding serb goverment, and then EU sometime later to take control of the institution in serbia to sort the rest of the criminals out in front of justes!

[Guest]

Hi to everyone, ops sorry not to serb-hegemonists!

I consider that USA and EU have don greaat job by suporting Republik of Kosovo for it's independenc, and gud bles all of them for duing the right thing... Succes!

Serbs are bandit-nation related in ultranationalism-organized-crim.
Serb-princip was allways like guerila-bandit-grups going around in the neighboring countries atacking vilagers riping, mordering and stilling, but what they can't take with them, than they burn&destroy!
As the serb-guerilla-bandits lutering around in kosovo, turks in kompanion with albanians located and captured serbs lutering, drinking alcohol and selebrating the burglary, turks executed all czar-bandits coting theyr head off.
Now serbs call this bandit's ass thier heroes, and demand a piece of kake from Kosovo..., see that how smart serb's is!
Oh yeah, we heard that often serbs say "Kosovo is hart of serbia", and the Kroacia "leg of Serbia" and in rusia "ass of serbia", and if they are loud to enter EU hmmm... what is gon to be for serbia eee?

I think it's best solution isolate serbia until it blows from inside, and that wan't take long..., than they have to give up all theyr criminals hiding serb goverment, and then EU sometime later to take control of the institution in serbia to sort the rest of the criminals out in front of justes!

e,aj ti, pre nego sto udjes u Evropu, nauci engleski, ok? A 'Srbe zlikovce' pusti, snaci ce se i bez tebe, imas ti vaznija posla...kako ces u Evropu sa ovakvim engleskim,
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[Ventimille]

I think it's best solution isolate serbia until it blows from inside, and that wan't take long..., than they have to give up all theyr criminals hiding serb goverment, and then EU sometime later to take control of the institution in serbia to sort the rest of the criminals out in front of justes!

I think it's best solution to leave Serbia alone and stop spreading hatred for Serbia. It's cheap and u know that.
Just leave it alone, u got everything u wanted from Serbia, even illegal independence.
I believe we can be good neighbors...eventually. Now it's your turn to show how democratic u r, and how do u respect the minority rights (Serbs), and show if u're capable of providing the basic human rights for minorities in Kosovo.
After 1999....we could only see ethnic cleansing of Serbs, by Albanians. So, please stop fascism in Kosovo, it would be nice and good for Albanian image as well. Thanks.

[euamerican]

Hi to everyone, ops sorry not to serb-hegemonists!

I consider that USA and EU have don greaat job by suporting Republik of Kosovo for it's independenc, and gud bles all of them for duing the right thing... Succes!

Serbs are bandit-nation related in ultranationalism-organized-crim.
Serb-princip was allways like guerila-bandit-grups going around in the neighboring countries atacking vilagers riping, mordering and stilling, but what they can't take with them, than they burn&destroy!
As the serb-guerilla-bandits lutering around in kosovo, turks in kompanion with albanians located and captured serbs lutering, drinking alcohol and selebrating the burglary, turks executed all czar-bandits coting theyr head off.
Now serbs call this bandit's ass thier heroes, and demand a piece of kake from Kosovo..., see that how smart serb's is!
Oh yeah, we heard that often serbs say "Kosovo is hart of serbia", and the Kroacia "leg of Serbia" and in rusia "ass of serbia", and if they are loud to enter EU hmmm... what is gon to be for serbia eee?

I think it's best solution isolate serbia until it blows from inside, and that wan't take long..., than they have to give up all theyr criminals hiding serb goverment, and then EU sometime later to take control of the institution in serbia to sort the rest of the criminals out in front of justes!

Let's also hope that this is NOT the prevailing opinion in the Kosovo Albanian majority. If it is, it will be a cold day in hell that the "Republic of Kosovo" sees even an EU association agreement. The European Union will not tolerate this type of opinion among its ranks - and as a Europeanist and europhile, it is disgusting to see the twit above praising the European Union - which DID NOT recognize the "Kosovo independence" declaration- and spreading such hate for Serbs and Serbia :oops:

The best situation is, as I put in a letter, is to drop the production of ICTY inductees of all Balkans' nations, including Croatia, as a precondition to further European integration. It is most counterproductive for the European project to hold up the SAA agreement based on the war criminals demand. Opening up Serbia's borders and integrating Serbia into the European Union actually would cause more police and intelligence cooperation, eliminating hiding places for war criminals (if they are actually still in Serbia). A while back Serbia asked the Germans for help locating war criminals. The stardard here should be good faith cooperation with the ICTY.

I am glad to see the latest reports that the European Union has a special concern for Serbia. There is a strong pro-Europe movement in Serbia and the majority of Serbs want into the European Union.

Serbia is not an outsider of the European Union - and the European Union does not think that Serbs are enemies of the European Union. Anyone that thinks that the Serbs are "enemies of the EU" are highly misinformed about the nature and purposes of the European Union...

[AuLoNa]

Am reading this and .... :evil:
Bunch of brainwashed, evil blinded, nacionalististic morons speaking nothing but crap. Who killed who? Who raped who? Serbs invaded europe from China. Albanians are higher race then srbs. Serbs raped 100000000 albanians. Albanians burned this, burned that....
You NAZI MF bastards, am really sorry that you are still existing :twisted: :twisted:
I hope you serbs and albanianas will exterminate each other in near future. And i hope you will never join EU!!!
Good Luck!

Albanians did this --Serbs did that.... :roll:

These are not responses that are indicative of being pro-Europe.
The ideas about European values that are of a European orientation are tolerance and putting behind past hate and hostilities of other groups and nations.

If this would have never happened in Europe, we could be back to France fighting Germany....
France did this...Germany did that...which is now rendered pointless. :lol:

What is even more maddening is that this is on a forum that is called a "European Union Forum." :o

Well that's why I said that Independence of Kosova was not given based on historical facts, based on some buildings, but rather in the human rights. If we go back to historical buildings, than we may find more things that serbs will not like. Also Serbs have been given a Green light to enter EU and they refuse. No one is making them look bad, they are doing it all by themselves.

[AuLoNa]

Thank you for proving my point, that once again you are an ignorant when it comes to real history.....Cheers..

You had a point??? Good for You!
Have a nice day.

Thanks for your approval, I really needed it... :lol:

[AuLoNa]

Am reading this and .... :evil:
Bunch of brainwashed, evil blinded, nacionalististic morons speaking nothing but crap. Who killed who? Who raped who? Serbs invaded europe from China. Albanians are higher race then srbs. Serbs raped 100000000 albanians. Albanians burned this, burned that....
You NAZI MF bastards, am really sorry that you are still existing :twisted: :twisted:
I hope you serbs and albanianas will exterminate each other in near future. And i hope you will never join EU!!!
Good Luck!

Listen you if Albanians were not tolerant, they would wipe serbs asses when they first touched the Balkans. And if Albanians were not tolerant, they would kill each other for being three different religions within a nation. Look it what serbs did to their own race the "Bosniaks" who are nothing but muslim serbs and then you tell me who thinks higher of themselves. As their religion makes them any better, and who to hell told them because they are orthodox they are better than anyone else. What a total BS! :roll:

[fim]

Heheh, wentimille, you fear justes and order's, wheel that's on the way, it will hapen sometime latter!
We know that trivia from TITO, when is something to give, than you are cheap and pure ectr!
Kosovar-albanians are diferent from serbs and other nations in ex-yugoslavia, and they newer accepted to be a part of yugoslavia are serbia, but keept under brutal represion mas of murder, torture, genocide and rep by serb-ultranationalists.
Serbs have lie to komunist countries like rusia, china, slovakia about the reality of kosovars, and that's why they have diferent opinion, it's not big deal, the truth is comming out!
Serbs have terrorise kosovars when ever they try to make a move for better future, and all the nations are now withness about the serb reaction against kosovar independence they declared!
Again serbs-terrorist atack ambasies, borders, shuting at "childring free time activity local", trying to use trane to smagell whapons from serbia, and whot's next...?
It is wery interesting thing is hapen in a city Sombor in serbia, where there is som albanian baekers, they report, that they backen breed for citizens there, and till kosova declared independece from serbia, they was the best and sold most breed on that regions..., but not any more sens the independece-day, they say the country is giving them for free breed, just don't go to albanian bakery-shop!
I think this is similar hegemonizem, the nazist's was using the same idea against jevish people in germany, before the WW2 started!

All the old churches in kosovo is true albanian-katolik and albanian-orthodox, but in the comunist era serb-secret genocide time after time around in kosovo..., than they just fixed the churches a bit for them self to make thier ovn paradise elsewere!
When Milosevic :evil: apear in power around 1985, he ordered hundreds of churches to be built in Republik of Kosovo to pruve serb existence
Ops, I have a true map of year 1817 in rusian lenguage about the truth of the balkan and its ally serbia, and the map is taken from kind of rusian institute, and I will post here sun as I find out where to upload it!

[Shopenhauer]

Am reading this and .... :evil:
Bunch of brainwashed, evil blinded, nacionalististic morons speaking nothing but crap. Who killed who? Who raped who? Serbs invaded europe from China. Albanians are higher race then srbs. Serbs raped 100000000 albanians. Albanians burned this, burned that....
You NAZI MF bastards, am really sorry that you are still existing :twisted: :twisted:
I hope you serbs and albanianas will exterminate each other in near future. And i hope you will never join EU!!!
Good Luck!

Listen you if Albanians were not tolerant, they would wipe serbs asses when they first touched the Balkans. And if Albanians were not tolerant, they would kill each other for being three different religions within a nation. Look it what serbs did to their own race the "Bosniaks" who are nothing but muslim serbs and then you tell me who thinks higher of themselves. As their religion makes them any better, and who to hell told them because they are orthodox they are better than anyone else. What a total BS! :roll:

Minority - in Serbia: Albanians about 2 000 000 and rising, Hungarians 466 800, Bosniaks 151 780, Romas 139 200, Croats 46 200, Slovaks about 50 000, Czehs about 33 000, Romanians about 30 000, Bulgarians about 20 000, Chinees 25 000, Ukraninians about 10 000, Russians about 10 000, Turks about 10 000, Jews 5 000, Greeks about 4 500, Germans 2 000.
Minority - In tolerant Albania: Used to be 300 000 Turks, now 20 000, rest dead or flied to Turkey, Used to be 250 000 Greeks, now Non (forced to change their names to albanian names), used to be unkwnon nuber of Romas, now non. Used to be 50 000 Serbs, now non (died, flied during Enver Hodza period of ethnic tolerance and forced to change names), Jews used to be 50 000, died during Great Albania period of racial tolerance in WW II (I am a Jew, my gradfather was hanged in square in Valona).
Ethnic structure in Srbian province of Kosovo and Metohia up tu 1999. Abanians about 1 580 000, Serbs 333 000, Romas 80 000, turks 45 000, Gorans 45 000, Bosniaks 40 000, Croats 6 000,
Present ethnic structure of virtuel, supertolerant United Emirates of Kosovo, 2007: 1 880 000 gues who?, 110 000 gues who? Romas 10 000, Turks 7 000, Gorans 40 000, Bosniaks, 10 000, Croats 180 or less.
There are only 3 places on the world, where ethnic cleansing was sucessfull, unpunished and revarded are: Croatia, Serbian repubilc in Bosnia and Kosovo.
And something about serbian nazi in WW 2! One million serbs died figthing nazi invaders and their allys. How many million albanians died fighting nazis? 12 000 !!! How many Albanians died fighting Serbian. Albanian Greek and Macedonian Partizans? 80 000 !!!
And something about crime in Europe. Every 5th car on the Kosovo roads is stolen somewhere in western Europe. You can go of the web pages on any state police in europe and see lists of most wanted criminals. There are 40 000 albainians in jails around europe, sentenced fpr murders, drugs, robbering, human trafficing, ilegal gun trading. And about 15 000 albanians on the wanted lists for the simmilar crimes. Kosovo's economy and independenceis based on crime.
Serbians had Arkan, Arkan is dead and whole his gang. Albanian Arkan has name Hasim Taci, nickname Snake, he is prime minister of some provisorium of tolerance called Kosovo. Nobody on Kosovo cant say NO to him and stay alive!!!
And yes we in serbia have a lot of hardcore nationalists, yes we have a lot of supid dumb asses, they are minority in our society but they are to loud so everybody can hear them. Yes we have ours faults, yes we did bad things to others, and we a expect from others to forgive us because they did to us terrible things too.
Albanians have all right to rule in Province of Kosovo, but nobody have a right tu tare a part Serbia like Nazi Germany tared appart Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939!
PS
Sorry on my english, my languages are Franch and Italian
Now, i cant wait for Aulona to invent, manufature and present her/his extraordinary brand new historical facts. Hurry up Aulona !!!

[shumadija]

Never heard of most of the Albanian guys, but deeply I respect their input, for whatever that is. However it boders me that Albanian representatives in this forum are THAT Eager of explaining things...It is indicative how much energy they are putting in reasoning why. Chill out...Now lets for once and all close the history book cause continual insisting on it will bring you further dissapointments...It is nice to sing when youre winning but is this a battle anyway? Definitly things said depend on the perspective. As a historian, a Serb which learned history in Priština from the Serbian point of view I ve been privileged to learn on what trully is an inspirative and most motivating site for it...Kosovo. Now on the other hand it was my first contact with Kosovo, so at the age of 18, and I was shocked...in 1995 Kosovo looked, and still does no doubt, like the worst black hole of the Europe. Garbage, polution, poverty, criminals..its what first comes to my mind. And lets face it guy...it wasnt the Serbs who made it look like that. Did it took independence for you to clen up your back yards...Will see, even if it did it looks hypocritic doesnt it... ? best...

[Touareg]

Happy inedependance Kosova!
I hope we be all togeder in Great Albania uone day!!!
Go to hell serbistan pig eaters and dogs! We is hunt you to hell !!

Allah al Rahmani al Rahim! We are coming, never stronger!

[Touareg]

Kosovo is Serbia, Serbia is Europe!!!
You can lie, you can steal from us, you can kill us, but we can remeber and wait....
P.S
Give back George Bush his watch! Give back Serbs their land! Give me back my car!

I give you something back, i give you censored!
Rats !!! Serbistan war criminals !!!
Allah revange to you. :twisted:

[shumadija]

so according to these guys, just to make it clear, albanians are muslim "hunters(that will hunt us serbs down), in order to put the knife in our troats" end of quotation?
Dont want to belive they speak for the majority but they certanly reflect level of education and culture they cherish, over there...

[shumadija]

@touareg
Sorry man youre English is pretty bad I gues Allah never had the time to deal with this problemo , was too occupied. When you say to us to wach out that you are never stronger and that you are comming...? Who i s we, man? Squips or cowboys ? Cause in both ways we re right here...waitin'...

[AuLoNa]

Never heard of most of the Albanian guys, but deeply I respect their input, for whatever that is. However it boders me that Albanian representatives in this forum are THAT Eager of explaining things...It is indicative how much energy they are putting in reasoning why. Chill out...Now lets for once and all close the history book cause continual insisting on it will bring you further dissapointments

I think you got it wrong, you have to go and check who is throwing the history first, so in our defense we have to throw a real history unlike a mythological one.

...It is nice to sing when youre winning but is this a battle anyway? Definitly things said depend on the perspective. As a historian, a Serb which learned history in Priština from the Serbian point of view I ve been privileged to learn on what trully is an inspirative and most motivating site for it...Kosovo

We are not singing, we just simply are going on our business, when once again our neighbor serbs, try to fill their propaganda, well it won't work anymore. As you said you are an historian, who studied history based on the serbian point of view....hmmm how interesting, the same thing I heard in a documentary, given by serb historians, saying that there was no reason for Serb historians to learn another language, cause they were comfortable to read what they wrote themselves, and not to see things in a way that would do justice to the real history, but would benefit the serb views...

[/quote]Now on the other hand it was my first contact with Kosovo, so at the age of 18, and I was shocked...in 1995 Kosovo looked, and still does no doubt, like the worst black hole of the Europe. Garbage, pollution, poverty, criminals..its what first comes to my mind. And lets face it guy...it wasnt the Serbs who made it look like that. Did it took independence for you to clean up your back yards...Will see, even if it did it looks hypocritic doesnt it... ? best...[/quote]

Really now, you think that serb did not make that place like that, how can they not help make the place like that, when the living and the working and opportunity conditions were that of the 19th century, another of their tactics for the Kosovar population to migrate. Well lets see this criminals that you say, let them show for themselves who they are, and the achivement that they can make now that they are free to make their own economy and decide for themselves.

[shumadija]

You definetly made all conclusions wrong. My stand was more closer than serbian stands ever will be. First of all all the facts I am bringing youre taking way to personaly, you all of you seem quite more nervous than people in Serbia actualy are...And I dont know why on my invitation to close history book youre entering it once again. No AN again No ...having two different side of stories does not mean that yours is definite truth.... the more I see youre statements the more I belive in wha i said...i made my comment, a very modest one at least I tried to make it so...A guy, from youre nation answered he is now winning and that he or they will come anyway to stuck a knife in all of our throats...nice...really nice...Sounds formilliar to you' it s exacly how some of us arround here used to talk. If you start like that youll end up like us....For the languags I am not sure what U ment, but we can talk in France, German, Greek...even some squip (Hell I still remember to ask for an ice cream haha)...Hope u will get the point...Best iN whatever...PS I left the studies, I went to Istanbul to live and study Ottoman Empire history but it still doesnt mean much beside the fact that the countries just can not be made that way...Best....

[shumadija]

o yeah, youre mixing politics and a garbage thats nice I like it (its close)..So according to your theory Serbs wanted to suffokate Albaninas with garbage so that thees would migrate???!!!! Come on, I am talking about habits, you were and are majority there...now even garbage becomes Serbian problem...Once you face problems you will erecte a nice and progressive state, which I fully wish for U. Untill than we ll lose our time on talking like this...Hell I am pro...Best...

[fim]

Heheh, wentimille, you fear justes and order's, wheel that's on the way, it will hapen sometime latter!
We know that trivia from TITO, when is something to give, than you are cheap and pure ectr!
Kosovar-albanians are diferent from serbs and other nations in ex-yugoslavia, and they newer accepted to be a part of yugoslavia are serbia, but keept under brutal represion mas of murder, torture, genocide and rep by serb-ultranationalists.
Serbs have lie to komunist countries like rusia, china, slovakia about the reality of kosovars, and that's why they have diferent opinion, it's not big deal, the truth is comming out!
Serbs have terrorise kosovars when ever they try to make a move for better future, and all the nations are now withness about the serb reaction against kosovar independence they declared!
Again serbs-terrorist atack ambasies, borders, shuting at "childring free time activity local", trying to use trane to smagell whapons from serbia, and whot's next...?
It is wery interesting thing is hapen in a city Sombor in serbia, where there is som albanian baekers, they report, that they backen breed for citizens there, and till kosova declared independece from serbia, they was the best and sold most breed on that regions..., but not any more sens the independece-day, they say the country is giving them for free breed, just don't go to albanian bakery-shop!
I think this is similar hegemonizem, the nazist's was using the same idea against jevish people in germany, before the WW2 started!

All the old churches in kosovo is true albanian-katolik and albanian-orthodox, but in the comunist era serb-secret genocide time after time around in kosovo..., than they just fixed the churches a bit for them self to make thier ovn paradise elsewere!
When Milosevic :evil: apear in power around 1985, he ordered hundreds of churches to be built in Republik of Kosovo to pruve serb existence
Ops, I have a true map of year 1817 in rusian lenguage about the truth of the balkan and its ally serbia, and the map is taken from kind of rusian institute, and I will post here sun as I find out where to upload it!

Well here I go, the map is here so all ken see the truth about serb expansion in balkans.
Oh sh.., Kosovo was not the story..., why the serbs is protesting in belgrad and Kosovo-mitrovica, but perhaps serbs fear nighbouring contries will seek the rest of thier land, serbia have ocupied! :o

[shumadija]

Yes this is Sebian greatest fear...specially here where I live..Central Serbia...whom does it belong once again...?

[raben-prekazi-belgium]

[*]jes jes jes jes Kosovo's independence...

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