If you really want know the truth, follow the links. Don't forget that humanism is the primary value and history may repeat. If Georgia is invaded and genocided it doesn't mean that it's Georgian problem and not yours.
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It's only a demonstration of force and a message for the rest of the world that Russia has no human values, it's an obscure and wild force with no pride, no consciousness. Russians traditionally believe that it's the best way to keep everybody in fear that some day Russian tanks may appear anywhere in Europe. If you support this, you support rapes, muirders, tortures that happen somewhere in Georgia, but may happen at your home someday. So be careful in chhsing priorities.
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Russia has recognised independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They want to be saved from georgian agrression in future, that is the only way to do that. Geargia should have made peace negotiations with those reagions instead of destructing towns and murduring civilians
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Yes EU1, you are right. Unfortunately many died in vain.
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The time line of the conflict.
1. Before Georgian side started bombing Ossetian (Georgian) teritories, Ossettian side had bombed Georgian bordering villages for two days. Russian Officials said that it is getting difficult to control ossetian separatists, there are a lot of volunters and so on ...(for two days Georgian side was not opening fire) This was the last thing that made georgian side to start bomberding ossetian positions. Within 24 hours Russian troops appeared in the territory of Georgia, which is practically impossible if they were not prepared for this ahead. So now you decide who started the war?...
2. This is not the war against Georgia, The western world should understand that Russia is trying to reestablish its different face. Trying to look like they can effect world politics. But I am sure, that after cold war, russia was left on its fate, but after these processes new geopolitical games will start to be under operation against russians and they will soon feel the result of western startegic thinking. There is no time for Russian type politics in modern times.
So look out! The russian world aggression shoudl be killed in childhood, otherwise the whole world will pay for it. There is no place and time for New Soviet Union...There is no need and demand for NEW STALIN!
The time line of the conflict.
1. Before Georgian side started bombing Ossetian (Georgian) teritories, Ossettian side had bombed Georgian bordering villages for two days. Russian Officials said that it is getting difficult to control ossetian separatists, there are a lot of volunters and so on ...(for two days Georgian side was not opening fire) This was the last thing that made georgian side to start bomberding ossetian positions. Within 24 hours Russian troops appeared in the territory of Georgia, which is practically impossible if they were not prepared for this ahead. So now you decide who started the war?...
2. This is not the war against Georgia, The western world should understand that Russia is trying to reestablish its different face. Trying to look like they can effect world politics. But I am sure, that after cold war, russia was left on its fate, but after these processes new geopolitical games will start to be under operation against russians and they will soon feel the result of western startegic thinking. There is no time for Russian type politics in modern times.
So look out! The russian world aggression shoudl be killed in childhood, otherwise the whole world will pay for it. There is no place and time for New Soviet Union...There is no need and demand for NEW STALIN!geo geo
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geo geo Wrote:The time line of the conflict.
1. Before Georgian side started bombing Ossetian (Georgian) teritories, Ossettian side had bombed Georgian bordering villages for two days. Russian Officials said that it is getting difficult to control ossetian separatists, there are a lot of volunters and so on ...(for two days Georgian side was not opening fire) This was the last thing that made georgian side to start bomberding ossetian positions. Within 24 hours Russian troops appeared in the territory of Georgia, which is practically impossible if they were not prepared for this ahead. So now you decide who started the war?...
Small Ossetia wanted war with big Georgia? It is a crazy idea. Besides, why did Georgia concentrate its army close to Ossetia border within a few month before it? It was just preparing for war, all was planned and this is just a pretext for starting war kinda we are not guilty they began it themselves
geo geo Wrote:2. This is not the war against Georgia, The western world should understand that Russia is trying to reestablish its different face. Trying to look like they can effect world politics. But I am sure, that after cold war, russia was left on its fate, but after these processes new geopolitical games will start to be under operation against russians and they will soon feel the result of western startegic thinking. There is no time for Russian type politics in modern times.
So look out! The russian world aggression shoudl be killed in childhood, otherwise the whole world will pay for it. There is no place and time for New Soviet Union...There is no need and demand for NEW STALIN!geo geo
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Quote:Within 24 hours Russian troops appeared in the territory of Georgia, which is practically impossible if they were not prepared for this ahead. So now you decide who started the war?...
hey, it's normal that Russia knew about Georgia's intentions. That's why it prepared forces to counterattack! So, Georgia started the war.
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For angroca
angroca, your feelling for Georgians is allright, pleas, let me know if you feel the same way for the Serbian people in Kosaovo?, who suffer great deal US-NATO-Albanian uncheck terrorism...
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I Apologize for bad English. I am citizen of Russia. I want to tell:
Russia never did not attack the first. Georgia is guilty in this conflict. People of South Ossetia is our (Russian) people, and Georgia wanted to destroy these people. And Russia is obliged to protect citizens.
Recollect, once we have exempted the world from fascism (in 1945).
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Alexander, that used to be my opinion as well. But, you can try searching for a lot of facts that may seem contrary to your opinion.
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Steven! Which facts contradict our opinion?
Personally I am guided by the Russian mass-media which I look daily on the TV.
Besides, the western mass-media did not conduct reportings from Tskhinvali as against Russian.
In my city (as well as in all country) collected the humanitarian help for inhabitants of South Ossetia.
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Russian mass media is a good one. But, I think it's normal that it exaggerates a little bit the facts and add some unsignificant lies. Dispite all these, I still think Georgia started the war, but, not without Russia's incentive. Both sides are guilty.
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Kharitonov, too ridiculous, Russians defended their people in another country... Just take them, namely them and NOT Georgian territory. Besides, much more Ossetians live in other Georgian regions and serve Georgian Army. Reading some posts is so dissapointing... Some intentions are very clear...
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Ossetians' will to be independent is much more important than the Ossetian territory. That's why, Ossetians must be independent
Sure, independence is very important, everyone should be independent, BUT NOT IN EXPENCE OF OTHERS' WILL who historically lived there thousand years before creation of Soviet Unit in 1921 and who where forcedly turned out there in last ten years. By the way there was Osetian State in Russia, why communists repeated the unit in Georgia? Interesting...
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Korris, your views are very irrealistic. You can't go back 100 years ago and change the mistakes of a state. What happened can't be recovered, bear that in mind.
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What happened can't be recovered... is not it another good incentive for brutal force?
Realistic, who knows about it, any thought of a man is idealistic, not materialistic, and therefore at some extent irrealistic :lol:
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Korris Wrote:Sure, independence is very important, everyone should be independent, BUT NOT IN EXPENCE OF OTHERS' WILL who historically lived there thousand years before creation of Soviet Unit in 1921 and who where forcedly turned out there in last ten years. By the way there was Osetian State in Russia, why communists repeated the unit in Georgia? Interesting... Koris, let's then go back thousand years ago and see who lived in European countries, in USA. What will we see? Aborigens in USA. That's great, let them rise and claim it's their land now, because they used to live there 600 years ago.
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Steven Wrote:Korris Wrote:Sure, independence is very important, everyone should be independent, BUT NOT IN EXPENCE OF OTHERS' WILL who historically lived there thousand years before creation of Soviet Unit in 1921 and who where forcedly turned out there in last ten years. By the way there was Osetian State in Russia, why communists repeated the unit in Georgia? Interesting... Koris, let's then go back thousand years ago and see who lived in European countries, in USA. What will we see? Aborigens in USA. That's great, let them rise and claim it's their land now, because they used to live there 600 years ago.
Inidians are still fighting for their land in USA, you can't blame them
clearman Wrote:An other front of the cold war. Georgia needs support from NATO and Russia doesn't want American influence here.
Do you know that Stalin was Georgian :quoi yes i know
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Even the Georgian generals said that it was the greatest mistake to fight against Russian Army. Because it is no mach for Georgians It is like you have one pistol and fight against 16 people with machine-guns. Georgia vs Russia, I have a bet 1000$ on RF, is anybody wanted to bet on Georgia?
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you're right newrussianintown. However don't forget that Georgia is a better actor than Russia, and it managed to manipulate the world opinion to its benefit. Sometimes invisible power is stronger than tangible power.
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Well, um, hello everyone, greetings from Russia, pleased 2 meet u.
First of all, this is my first time at the EU forum community, so i'm gonna make this post a reeeealy big one cuz i have a lot to say...erm...to write i mean)
So, let's begin.
angorca Wrote:Faw_Peter Wrote:are there communists at present? :quoi communism in Russia was just but a mask of Russian imperialism. There are communists now. True. Yet they don't even get enough places in the Duma (the parliament) to play even the minor role in the governmental actions.
Next. Imperialism, eh? The first thing required for imperialism is...that's right, the Empire. The USSR. "the empire of evil", the most famous cliche, or maybe the true, dunno, the past is the past. Can you see the Russian Empire now? We barely survived the 90th, what empire are you talking about? The primary objective of the Russian government today is ONLY the safetiness of our own people. And, erm, thing is, the main characteristic of imperialism is the society which counts foreign people as a lesser social and or political class. Never seen ANYTHING like that in my whole life. Heard anything about russian hospitality? But there is another side of the coin, there is a good russian proverb, "who comes with the blade will die from it".
I am not going to wage an information war with the links to the "beat-this-shoking-scene-and-information" videos and news. The whole conflict happened only because lame USSR's national politics - in the time of breakdown of it, the long-term territorial problem of Osetia and Georgia was not solved, so it lead to the open rivalary between those two countries. Yet it is clear, that Georga was military supplied, so it does not leave all the guilt to Russia.
My point is, that the Russian government does NOT seek a rivalary with anyone, yet it is not going to sit and watch the people die.
Guess that's all.
Peace.
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Panda Wrote:My point is, that the Russian government does NOT seek a rivalary with anyone, yet it is not going to sit and watch the people die.
Guess that's all.
Peace. And may peace be bestowed upon you as well Panda. Welcome to the forum. A very nice, eloquent and meaningful post. Hope you will contribute again. It's nice to occasionally hear the voice of reason over the shrieks of irrationality.
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Panda, you're saying Russia wants to protect its citizens. But, do you know how many Russians are there in Estonia? Lots of them (you know it). And, do you know how many embargoes and barriers has Russia raised against the Estonian-Russian businessmen? How can you explain that?
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