Posts: 29
Threads: 1
Joined: Sep 2008
Reputation:
0
Georgia fired first shot, say UK monitors
Two former British military officers are expected to give crucial evidence against Georgia when an international inquiry is convened to establish who started the country’s bloody five-day war with Russia in August.
Ryan Grist, a former British Army captain, and Stephen Young, a former RAF wing commander, are said to have concluded that, before the Russian bombardment began, Georgian rockets and artillery were hitting civilian areas in the breakaway region of South Ossetia every 15 or 20 seconds. During the war both Grist and Young were senior figures in the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).
Grist, who resigned from the OSCE shortly afterwards, has told The New York Times it was Georgia that launched the first military strikes against Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital.
“It was clear to me that the [Georgian] attack was completely indiscriminate and disproportionate to any, if indeed there had been any, provocation,” he said. “The attack was clearly, in my mind, an indiscriminate attack on the town, as a town.”
“If there had been heavy shelling in areas that Georgia claimed were shelled, then our people would have heard it, and they didn’t,” Young reportedly said. “They heard only occasional small-arms fire.”
Georgia attacked South Ossetia on the night of August 7-8. In the afternoon an OSCE patrol had seen Georgian artillery and Grad rocket launchers massing just outside the enclave. At 6pm the monitors were told of suspected Georgian shelling of a village. By 12.35am the OSCE monitors had recorded more than 100 rockets or shells exploding in Tskhinvali.
Many western leaders depicted Russia as an expansionist giant determined to crush its tiny neighbour. They rallied to Georgia’s defence amid calls for it to be rapidly admitted to Nato, Saakashvili’s most fervent wish.
The president argued that Russia had attacked Georgia because “we want to be free” and that his country was fighting a defensive war.
Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...114401.ece
Posts: 296
Threads: 0
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation:
0
Quote:Georgia fired first shot, say UK monitors
There was rumours OSCE monitors reporting it already in august. It was not published
because it is against OSCE principles to tell who we have to blame. But they have the
right to testify in an international inquiry.
Gergia for Hell
Unregistered
Georgia, Ukraine, Baltic States, Poland are political prostitutes rather than democracies. When you pay them they love you. When you pay them more they starting to shit on your Neighbours.
Anecdote:
Saakashvili stays on bridge and sees the piece of shit passing by in the river waters.
Shit :deg says: Hello my :oO colleague!
What kind of colleague am i for you :quoi ? , Saaki :fi shvilli replies
Shit added: We're both are from the internal organs of the United States :haha
Posts: 22
Threads: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Nationalism, Imperialism, RAcism,Capitalism, Communism, Stalinism,Putanism, and every ''IZM"" from russians have to be CONDEMND!!
we will se who goes to hell soon !!
Mata Hari Wrote:Nationalism, Imperialism, RAcism,Capitalism, Communism, Stalinism,Putanism, and every ''IZM"" from russians have to be CONDEMND!! And how about your own "izm"s and hatred? Should they be condemned? Or only the Russians should shut up?
Posts: 125
Threads: 6
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Mata Hari Wrote:Nationalism, Imperialism, RAcism,Capitalism, Communism, Stalinism,Putanism, and every ''IZM"" from russians have to be CONDEMND!!
we will se who goes to hell soon !! Anything else? go on! I'd like to find out what else is from Russians!
Posts: 22
Threads: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
And how about your own "izm"s and hatred? Should they be condemned? Or only the Russians should shut up? Quote:
hey i do't have any agression on this forum, that's russian who change their ID's and come here to insult the other nations!!!
Posts: 180
Threads: 1
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Mata Hari Wrote:Nationalism, Imperialism, RAcism,Capitalism, Communism, Stalinism,Putanism, and every ''IZM"" from russians have to be CONDEMND!!
we will se who goes to hell soon !!
MATAHARISM... Heavens forbid! Mata Hari Wrote:And how about your own "izm"s and hatred? Should they be condemned? Or only the Russians should shut up?Quote:
hey i do't have any agression on this forum, that's russian who change their ID's and come here to insult the other nations!!!
What a delirium.
Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules - and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress.
Posts: 22
Threads: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
LONG LIVE GEORGIA, UKRAINE,AZERBAIJAN, MOLDOVA!!! THE GUAM is the organisation which will survve this region from its frozen conflicts!!
Posts: 180
Threads: 1
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Mata Hari Wrote:LONG LIVE GEORGIA, UKRAINE,AZERBAIJAN, MOLDOVA!!! THE GUAM is the organisation which will survve this region from its frozen conflicts!! GUAM doesn't work at all. Forget about it.
Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules - and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress.
Posts: 22
Threads: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Quote:GUAM doesn't work at all. Forget about it.
of course it works!! GUAM has a very good economic and energy potential! and btw these coutries had been unified in this organisation that they had similar problems about separatism (Transdnestria in Moldova, Crimea tatars in Ukraine, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azebaijan, Abkhaiza and so called '' South Ossetia'' in Georgia), but though this problems still exist in this region, GUAM countries still remain main power in changing Russia as a monopolist gas an oil supplier to Europe. Soon there is an new plan for Odessa-brody pipeline, which cross over GUAM countries, so its really perspective orgaisation and that's why Russia tries falling into decay, increases its influance on Moldova (where russian ''peacekeepers'' are mobilised) and Azerbaijan (where plays mediator role in Karabakh conflict), for weakening this alliance.
Mata Hari Wrote:Quote:GUAM doesn't work at all. Forget about it.
of course it works!! GUAM has a very good economic and energy potential! and btw these coutries had been unified in this organisation that they had similar problems about separatism (Transdnestria in Moldova, Crimea tatars in Ukraine, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azebaijan, Abkhaiza and so called '' South Ossetia'' in Georgia), but though this problems still exist in this region, GUAM countries still remain main power in changing Russia as a monopolist gas an oil supplier to Europe. Soon there is an new plan for Odessa-brody pipeline, which cross over GUAM countries, so its really perspective orgaisation and that's why Russia tries falling into decay, increases its influance on Moldova (where russian ''peacekeepers'' are mobilised) and Azerbaijan (where plays mediator role in Karabakh conflict), for weakening this alliance.
Dear CIA: GUAM just sucks! :haha
Posts: 180
Threads: 1
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Mata Hari Wrote:Quote:GUAM doesn't work at all. Forget about it.
of course it works!! GUAM has a very good economic and energy potential! and btw these coutries had been unified in this organisation that they had similar problems about separatism (Transdnestria in Moldova, Crimea tatars in Ukraine, Nagorno-Karabakh in Azebaijan, Abkhaiza and so called '' South Ossetia'' in Georgia), but though this problems still exist in this region, GUAM countries still remain main power in changing Russia as a monopolist gas an oil supplier to Europe. Soon there is an new plan for Odessa-brody pipeline, which cross over GUAM countries, so its really perspective orgaisation and that's why Russia tries falling into decay, increases its influance on Moldova (where russian ''peacekeepers'' are mobilised) and Azerbaijan (where plays mediator role in Karabakh conflict), for weakening this alliance.
What a delirium.
Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules - and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress.
Posts: 22
Threads: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Quote:What a delirium.
there are lots of synonyms which u can use instead of delirium!!! It's borin to use same words every time! doesn't effects at all! 
Posts: 180
Threads: 1
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Mata Hari Wrote:Quote:What a delirium.
there are lots of synonyms which u can use instead of delirium!!! It's borin to use same words every time! doesn't effects at all! If it had been anything else except a delirium I would have called it a different way. But what you write here is a delirium. And I don't mean to effect you by this. At least, I do not hope it will. I don't know you.
P.S. Forget about it. Just try to be smarter.
Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules - and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress.
Posts: 22
Threads: 0
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Do u think u r smart? ha ha
go on insulting, u hurm urself not me by doing that!! 8-)
Posts: 180
Threads: 1
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation:
0
Mata Hari Wrote:Do u think u r smart? ha ha
go on insulting, u hurm urself not me by doing that!! 8-)
By doing what? Nontheless, you're right to some extent. It's a scientific fact that communicating with a stupid female can make a smart man silly as well. In the end, when I read your "ideas" I want to reply with lots of mistakes in spelling and grammar.
Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules - and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress.
Posts: 51
Threads: 1
Joined: Aug 2008
Reputation:
0
Blaming without facts is a very shame!! i support the deep case investigation, such topics can be populistic and can give a harm to a being situation, while some parts of Georgia (Akhalgori region) are under the occupation! so let's be reasonable and react about fact not about the rumours, which after some time loses its meaning and the scar which they did to negotiation process remains!
some may think, that what they say or do on this forum can be only their position about something, no_ it is important and will be better if we control our posts!!
I think the aggressor is Russians. There soldiers are from historical Georgian places not Georgian soldiers. I think the Russians very danger country not only Georgia, there are dangers for all the world. The world will destroy, if the world dont stopped them in time.
Posts: 1,590
Threads: 117
Joined: May 2008
Reputation:
0
war11 Wrote:I think the aggressor is Russians. There soldiers are from historical Georgian places not Georgian soldiers. I think the Russians very danger country not only Georgia, there are dangers for all the world. The world will destroy, if the world dont stopped them in time. true. Too many bad events happened in 2008. The world is at top of events. It needs taking a deep breath, but people don't allow this to happen. Let's hope we are still rational and know what we are doing.
|
