Jerusalem light, misterious event

[Faw_Peter]

I had never seen such wonders when the candle begins to burn without any reason, I was shocked to watch on TV the live report about Jerusalem fire!

[Andrewz]

Peter, that means it's about time to believe in wonders!

[Stalker]

In 2005 in a live demonstration on Greek television, Michael Kalopoulos, an author critical of Christianity, dipped three candles in white phosphorus. The candles spontaneously ignited after approximately 20 minutes due to the self-ignition properties of white phosphorus when in contact with air.

According to Kalopoulos' website, "If phosphorus is dissolved in an appropriate organic solvent, self-ignition is delayed until the solvent has almost completely evaporated. Repeated experiments showed that the ignition can be delayed for half an hour or more, depending on the density of the solution and the solvent employed."

Kalopoulos also points out that knowledge of chemical reactions of this nature was well known in ancient times, quoting Strabo, who states "In Babylon there are two kinds of naphtha springs, a white and a black. The white naphtha is the one that ignites with fire." (Strabon Geographica 16.1.15.1-24) He further states that phosphorus was used by Chaldean magicians in the early fifth century BC, and by the ancient Greeks, in a way similar to its supposed use today by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem.

[Terry]

I watched the live translation on TV. It's indeed a wonder!

[luca]

The Holy Light is not only distributed by the Archbishop, but operates also by itself. It is emitted from the Holy Sepulchre with a hue completely different from that of natural light. It sparkles, it flashes like lightning, it flies like a dove around the tabernacle of the Holy Sepulchre, and lights up the unlit lamps of olive oil hanging in front of it. It whirls from one side of the church to the other. It enters some of the chapels inside the church, as for instance the chapel of the Calvery (at a higher level than the Holy Sepulchre) and lights up the little lamps. It lights up also the candles of certain pilgrims. In fact there are some very pious pilgrims who, every time they attended this ceremony, noticed that their candles lit up on their own accord!his divine light also presents some peculiarities: As soon as it appears it has a bluish hue and does not burn. At the first moments of its appearance, if it touches the face, or the mouth, or the hands, it does not burn. This is proof of its divine and supernatural origin. We must also take into consideration that the Holy Light appears only by the invocation of an Orthodox Archbishop.

[Terry]

thank you luca, very interesting

[M.Helen]

see this, it can make you think on it
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[clearman]

IMPORTANT: The Holy Light comes only in the day of Orthodox Easter :quoi (different from Catholic or Evangelist Easter)

[Terry]

so maybe the Orthodox Easter is the true Easter, the Easter people should believe in?

[M.Helen]

Also it comes only after the prayer says the praying words. Not everybody can do that. You have to believe indeed in God.

[Karl.in.eu]

In 2005 in a live demonstration on Greek television, Michael Kalopoulos, an author critical of Christianity, dipped three candles in white phosphorus. The candles spontaneously ignited after approximately 20 minutes due to the self-ignition properties of white phosphorus when in contact with air.

According to Kalopoulos' website, "If phosphorus is dissolved in an appropriate organic solvent, self-ignition is delayed until the solvent has almost completely evaporated. Repeated experiments showed that the ignition can be delayed for half an hour or more, depending on the density of the solution and the solvent employed."

Kalopoulos also points out that knowledge of chemical reactions of this nature was well known in ancient times, quoting Strabo, who states "In Babylon there are two kinds of naphtha springs, a white and a black. The white naphtha is the one that ignites with fire." (Strabon Geographica 16.1.15.1-24) He further states that phosphorus was used by Chaldean magicians in the early fifth century BC, and by the ancient Greeks, in a way similar to its supposed use today by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem.

Thank's for clearing this up. I always thought there must be a scientific explanation of all this.

[Aphrodite]

There always is

[M.Helen]

you are lacked of faith people. You shouldn't be so. There are things that science can't explain. This is the power of the unseen, the power of God. This power can really do magic. The Jerusalem light is one of the proofs for that.

[Aphrodite]

You should try and say that to the Armenian and Greek Orthodox priests who got in this huge hair/beard /knife pulling fight yesterday over who's going to be present in the temple while the holy light arrives..

:roll:

[Aeneas]

Just spreading the brotherly love.This has been going on for centuries. It's the zeal that drives them to serve Christ and occasionally takes over their soul in a negative way. They'll kiss and make up soon enough. BTW, the roof of the same church hosts the same type of battles between Ethiopian and Egyptian Coptic monks even more frequently.

[Aeneas]

You should try and say that to the Armenian and Greek Orthodox priests who got in this huge hair/beard /knife pulling fight yesterday over who's going to be present in the temple while the holy light arrives..

:roll:

Here's the reason why it started:
http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=27652
With a little bit of mutual respect and desire to pursue true Christian values (it's all about the meek you know.. the first shall be last, etc) this could have been avoided.

[Steven]

It is believed that if the light doesn't get lighten, this will bring lots of damages to those who tried to open it.

[Aphrodite]

You should try and say that to the Armenian and Greek Orthodox priests who got in this huge hair/beard /knife pulling fight yesterday over who's going to be present in the temple while the holy light arrives..

:roll:

Here's the reason why it started:
http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=27652
With a little bit of mutual respect and desire to pursue true Christian values (it's all about the meek you know.. the first shall be last, etc) this could have been avoided.

I happen to know pretty well how it started..
Lovely christians all of them aren't they?
Sharing rituals and celebrations and the holy light and all.. :roll:

Only a couple of two year olds would make so much fuss over something but then again they wouldn't be able to tell what christianity is all about.

[Aeneas]

You should try and say that to the Armenian and Greek Orthodox priests who got in this huge hair/beard /knife pulling fight yesterday over who's going to be present in the temple while the holy light arrives..

:roll:

Here's the reason why it started:
http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=27652
With a little bit of mutual respect and desire to pursue true Christian values (it's all about the meek you know.. the first shall be last, etc) this could have been avoided.

I happen to know pretty well how it started..
Lovely christians all of them aren't they?
Sharing rituals and celebrations and the holy light and all.. :roll:

Only a couple of two year olds would make so much fuss over something but then again they wouldn't be able to tell what christianity is all about.

So may I venture a guess that you're not Orthodox?

[Aphrodite]

I was born an Orthodox ,all we Greeks are born ,baptised and raised Orthodox.You know that.
Let's just say that later on I grew smart :lol:

[M.Helen]

I was born an Orthodox ,all we Greeks are born ,baptised and raised Orthodox.You know that.
Let's just say that later on I grew smart :lol:

so you're independent and lacked of belief in any religion? Hmm... I don't think it's the best way to live. We should have faith in our hearts, otherwise we feel alone when we feel bad. The God is the way to relax when you talk to him in your mind.

[Aphrodite]

Faith and religion are two concepts often mixed,misinterpreted and misunderstood.
I have faith.I believe faith is part of the human psyche.Religion is man made and therefore can never be part of the human psyche.Especially organised religion.
The main difference between the two, as I see it, is that faith doesn't prohibit intellectual inquisitiveness but religion leads by mathematical precision to spiritual stagnation.

[Benn]

very interesting article, namely about faith and religion
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[Aphrodite]

very interesting article, namely about faith and religion
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yeah right! :-P

[Steven]

very interesting article, namely about faith and religion
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nice joke :lol:

As for Jerusalem light, I wonder how skeptics explain this event?
Take a look at this video of Jerusalem light lighting in 2008
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