08-29-2008, 04:55 PM
That is great, georgians changed nationality becouse it was more proffitable to be Abkchaz than georgian? :lol: :lol: :lol: . Are you kidding? What complete picture you are talking about?
SiD Wrote:That is great, georgians changed nationality becouse it was more proffitable to be Abkchaz than georgian? :lol: :lol: :lol: . Are you kidding? What complete picture you are talking about?
chena Wrote:Human Rights Watch
independent Wrote:Is this cynicism a sign of your in-dependency?chena Wrote:Human Rights Watch
Is this Guantanamo sub-division ?
Giovane Wrote:1)Chena, I can't tell you anyting about what you wants. I can tell you that about 200000 abkhazes was leaved out in Turkey from Abkhazia. Maybe, this do you mean as profitable to be an abkhaze????
2) Yalta1945, do you understand what did you wright? It was quote, and I see, you in general can't nothing understand! So, I pity you... Shut up, and don't wright foolish posts...It will help you, I think....
Yalta1945 Wrote:independent Wrote:Is this cynicism a sign of your in-dependency?chena Wrote:Human Rights Watch
Is this Guantanamo sub-division ?
chena Wrote:Giovanni/Vania,
Just wanted to give you the hint regarding your question about Abkhazs living in Turkey, check the chronics of 19th century Russia, how Russians kicked out ethnic Abkhazs…
Giovane Wrote:Shut up, and don't wright foolish posts...It will help you, I think....Vzaimno. Wish you are always content with getting back the fruits of your seeds.
Giovane Wrote:So did I get it right, you admitt that it was Russian kicking out Abkhazians not Georgians?!chena Wrote:Giovanni/Vania,
Just wanted to give you the hint regarding your question about Abkhazs living in Turkey, check the chronics of 19th century Russia, how Russians kicked out ethnic Abkhazs…
Yes you're are right, but
"...На место выселенных абхазов российское правительство переселяло выходцев из различных уголков империи и иностранцев: русских, греков, армян, эстонцев, украинцев, молдаван, немцев и других. Однако наибольшее количество переселенцев приходилось на выходцев из Грузии, в первую очередь мегрелов. Таким образом, к началу XX века неассимилированное абхазское население компактно проживало только в двух, территориально не связанных между собой провинциях – Бзыпе и Абжуа..."
I try to translate fo foreign interlocutors:
"....The territories, clered from abkhazies, by Russian Empire government was occupied by Russians, Greks,Armenians, Estonians, Ukraines, Moldovans, Germans and others. But the most quontity of settlers were migrants from Georgia (MERGELS). In the result native abkhazian people lived only in 2 provinces-are Bzipa and Abzhua"
Giovane Wrote:Dear Chena, why did you keep silence about short Georgianan perion when this country was independet ( I mean 1918-1921) And about period of Zhardania government??? If you have started to write short georgian history, pls write about this period. And write about his tandent expedition in S. Ossetia. Ok?
Yalta1945 Wrote:Giovane Wrote:Shut up, and don't wright foolish posts...It will help you, I think....Vzaimno. Wish you are always content with getting back the fruits of your seeds.But what does this kind of an argument prove? Rudeness is is rudeness. Trying to block opponents this way?
The thing that I did care of is that people like you may be driving Russian tanks in Georgia while we make our less or more polite discussions here.
BTW, that post was a reply to the point of the text that you cited. I do not think it was my fault you could not see the meanning.
Yalta1945 Wrote:There are dangerous ongoing activities in the region. Any historical discussions are out of the list of the most urgent problems at the moment.
This looks like indications of the ongoing implementation of the annexation plan:
South Ossetia's parliamentary speaker Znaur Gassiyev said Russia would absorb the region within "several years", according to a report by the Associated Press.
Interfax quoted Abkhazia's foreign minister, Sergei Shamba, as saying his province "may become part of the Union State of Russia and Belarus".
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People are still in a big danger despite all Kremlin’s promises made recently to the EU and the rest of the world. This is a must reading:
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Giovane Wrote:Yalta1945 Wrote:Giovane Wrote:Shut up, and don't wright foolish posts...It will help you, I think....Vzaimno. Wish you are always content with getting back the fruits of your seeds.But what does this kind of an argument prove? Rudeness is is rudeness. Trying to block opponents this way?
The thing that I did care of is that people like you may be driving Russian tanks in Georgia while we make our less or more polite discussions here.
BTW, that post was a reply to the point of the text that you cited. I do not think it was my fault you could not see the meanning.
Yalta, your advice to be less prickly,was offensive for me....
2)Chena, I wanted to fetch another opinion at the problem of "native' people... But also I can't tell you that your historicals facts are lies....
Giovane Wrote:Yalta, your advice to be less prickly,was offensive for me....OK, I accept it and I will put it differently:
chena Wrote:completly agree with you, but some of the members are trying to justify all these by historical "evidence". actualy, what is happening now was part of the "Plan", so nothing unexpected (unfortunatelly). the only hope is that the world will realize the danger we all are facing!
independent Wrote:chena Wrote:completly agree with you, but some of the members are trying to justify all these by historical "evidence". actualy, what is happening now was part of the "Plan", so nothing unexpected (unfortunatelly). the only hope is that the world will realize the danger we all are facing!
The danger You think we all are facing is mostly fictitious - the only real danger was generated by Georgia
itself and was of course the possibility that Western and Russian politics can't settle down the situation.
Now everyone are calming down - and there is no real danger.
And I really hope that Baltic Countries don't follow Georgias bad example - they also seems to think
that the wisest politic is taunting Russia in every possibility. If they keep implementing their own foreign-
politic which is very different from the rest of EU, they really can't blame anyone else as themselves
if something similar happens to them.