Georgia and South Ossetia at war

[Simon A]

Russian soldiers in Georgian barracks.

for those who trust only Russian sources of information.

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[independent]

The main question was that you really do not realize that Russia has violated the territory of a sovereign country. There is no possible justification for Russia’s actions including misleading informational campaign.
What is your definition of a peaceful city? The city where even hospitals have been bombed, schools are demolished, residential buildings are burnt? That’s what I have seen myself. I am not telling you about tens of villages burnt where nothing is left.

You don't really get the picture Yourself.
Violating a sovereign country territory is not very bad thing to do - but commit a mass-murder (Tskhinvali) is REALLY BAD.

You count too much on Your rights. You know maps are not drawn to be permanent - Countries becomes
independent or lose it. Situation is never permanent.

[Simon A]

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[Mila]

to Chena:
You just don't get it, do you?
OK, I'll give it a one LAST try...

Did I ever say Russia didn't "violate the territory" of Georgia? Did I ever say Georgia wasn't a sovereign country? Did I ever say a word about Chechnya and my opinion about it? Did I ever say that someone didn't have a "right for the self-determination"?
NOT A SINGLE WORD!!!
Then why on earth are you feeding me with this?!

To Mila,
The main question was that you really do not realize that Russia has violated the territory of a sovereign country. There is no possible justification for Russia’s actions including misleading informational campaign.
What is your definition of a peaceful city? The city where even hospitals have been bombed, schools are demolished, residential buildings are burnt? That’s what I have seen myself. I am not telling you about tens of villages burnt where nothing is left.
About Chechnya and others, these countries (since Russia is a Federation) have the same right for the self-determination, however I do not think you’ve raised your voice against Chechen people genocide, am I wrong?
At the end, when sarcasm is the only argument then your position has no ground.

It's like you have a tape in your had and you keep playing it over and over again regardless of the person you are talking to and the subject of discussion.
AGAIN, for the LAST time: play your tape as much as you want, but don't address it to me if it doesn't have anything to do with what I am talking about.

[IamGEORGIA]

The main question was that you really do not realize that Russia has violated the territory of a sovereign country. There is no possible justification for Russia’s actions including misleading informational campaign.
What is your definition of a peaceful city? The city where even hospitals have been bombed, schools are demolished, residential buildings are burnt? That’s what I have seen myself. I am not telling you about tens of villages burnt where nothing is left.

You don't really get the picture Yourself.
Violating a sovereign country territory is not very bad thing to do - but commit a mass-murder (Tskhinvali) is REALLY BAD.

You count too much on Your rights. You know maps are not drawn to be permanent - Countries becomes
independent or lose it. Situation is never permanent.

If yoo speak about mass murder, for honesty, you should mention about the genocide what russian occupants made in the whole country, not only in ossetia, in recent days..(take into consideration that fact, that in Ossetia there was war, but in the rest georgia they were killing peaceful residents on purpose..)

I dont really think that you somehow beleive in european values..
Ok then..
But when they violate teritorial integrity of your country, and take control of some regions, dont become angry, and keep calm..It is not very bad thing..mate..

[independent]

But when they violate teritorial integrity of your country, and take control of some regions, dont become angry, and keep calm..It is not very bad thing..mate..

You see, we are not killing our minorities - so there will not be any reason for that.

[IamGEORGIA]

But when they violate teritorial integrity of your country, and take control of some regions, dont become angry, and keep calm..It is not very bad thing..mate..

You see, we are not killing our minorities - so there will not be any reason for that.

Saying this you should, even must, have some proovements..
Otherwise you words are biased and no debate is needed..

[independent]

But when they violate teritorial integrity of your country, and take control of some regions, dont become angry, and keep calm..It is not very bad thing..mate..

You see, we are not killing our minorities - so there will not be any reason for that.

Saying this you should, even must, have some proovements..
Otherwise you words are biased and no debate is needed..

Proovs that our armies are not attacking our minorities ? :haha

Or proovs that Georgian army did ? - It has already been confirmed by US, OSCE and Russia - so there
is no doubt about it. :livre

[IamGEORGIA]

[quote="independent

Proovs that our armies are not attacking our minorities ? :haha

Or proovs that Georgian army did ? - It has already been confirmed by US, OSCE and Russia - so there
is no doubt about it. :livre[/quote]


You know what i mean uper
Where are provements? :haha (what russia says its not provement for civilised world)

[IamGEORGIA]

US warship reaches Georgian port


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[Karl.in.eu]

I hope there is not going to be any conflict between American troops in Poti and the Russian troops in Batumi, because the situation could get more serious...

[IamGEORGIA]

I hope there is not going to be any conflict between American troops in Poti and the Russian troops in Batumi, because the situation could get more serious...

just reversed..
Russians in Poti, and americans in Batumi..

[independent]

You know what i mean uper
Where are provements? :haha (what russia says its not provement for civilised world)

What was told by US ambassador in Moscow and those 3 OSCE monitors who stayed in
Tskhinvali during You attack was pretty much all evidences civilized world needed.

I'm sure It didn't open You eyes, but hey - there always remains those who never
understand.

[Mila]

A strangest thing came up. Can someone explain this to me please?
I've heard and read several times that ever since the conflict began, Russian TV channels and the "RU" zone in the internet have been shut down in Georgia. But this information came from Russian media, so I didn't now whether to believe it or not.
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So, if people in Georgia can't watch Russian TV channels, how do those of you who say that they are lying know that?
Am I missing something?

[Eka]

A strangest thing came up. Can someone explain this to me please?
I've heard and read several times that ever since the conflict began, Russian TV channels and the "RU" zone in the internet have been shut down in Georgia. But this information came from Russian media, so I didn't now whether to believe it or not.
But today I saw this: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhWvJz1_TFc&NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhWvJz1_TFc&NR=1</a><!-- m -->
So, if people in Georgia can't watch Russian TV channels, how do those of you who say that they are lying know that?
Am I missing something?

MILA

we can watch russian TV chanels and have access to web. AS you know its impossible to shut down sattelites. So we are watching them.

And you know that russian huckers destroy georgian web with cyber-attack and have no access to internet during first days of war. Especcially to georgian web?

[Dea]

If you really want know the truth, follow the links. Don't forget that humanism is the primary value and history may repeat. If Georgia is invaded and genocided it doesn't mean that it's Georgian problem and not yours.


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It's only a demonstration of force and a message for the rest of the world that Russia has no human values, it's an obscure and wild force with no pride, no consciousness. Russians traditionally believe that it's the best way to keep everybody in fear that some day Russian tanks may appear anywhere in Europe. If you support this, you support rapes, muirders, tortures that happen somewhere in Georgia, but may happen at your home someday. So be careful in chhsing priorities.

[independent]

If you really want know the truth, follow the links.

And then You give links to biased and meaningless sites.

So thats what You think is truth.....

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If you support this, you support rapes, muirders, tortures that happen somewhere in Georgia, but may happen at your home someday. So be careful in chhsing priorities.

We don't support violence - thats why most of EU don't indeed support Georgian government anymore.
because of:
- it started this madness
- it lied scurrilously to us, and tried to get the rest of world to commit to war with no real reason
With that Georgia show us that You are ready to push world to war - only because of Your
nationalistic hallucination.
- it has shown that it is brutal, stupid and don't care about Human rights

So it has clearly shown to us, that we can never thrust it as we did before.

[Dea]

You want to know hoew it started? As Georgia declared its independence in 1989, Russia invaded Georgian regions Abkhasia and Samachablo (which was renamed by Russians as South Ossetia which is complketely illiterate). Russian Soldiers helped Ossetian terrorists to kidnap Georgians in 90s. They tortured them, raped them, cut fingers, cut people with electric saws. Then these regions were kept in permanent russian terror. Russian soldiers stayed there to let Ossetian and Abkhasian terroristic bands permanently terrorize Georgian population. As Georgia became more and more democrative and declared its will to join NATO, Russia warned Georgia that it would have severe consequences in Goergian regions occupied by Russians and terroristc bands. Russian and terrorists organised provocations shooting Georgian population, houses, villages. As it seemed ineffective, they decided to destroy whole country. Russian troops and terrorist bands bombed Georgian Cities, agricultural lands, TV antennas, Communication Stations, Railway, schools, hospitals, childrens' summer camps. In Kaspy, which is far from Ossetian population Russian soldiers attacked population. In one family they raped six girls and threw them in river. Russian soldiers rubbed humanitarian products, killed journalists, doctors, priests.

All this has several goals: restore Soviet Union power of Russia, keep Georgia poor and so easily manipulative, prevent Georgia from entering NATO and so avoid civilised europian values to spread next to Russia, CONTROL OIL AND GAZ RESOURCES OF THE REGION.

If you really want to know what happened, you need to realize that Russia is a terrorist country even more than was Irak and unless the world treats Russia as terrorist, these military crimes will continue and even expand over other European countries even sooner than we can imagine.

[Dea]

Our life consists of our choices. Our actions are what we do and also what we DO NOT. When you support murders it changes your life and it changes YOU for the rest of your life. Murders, rapes, tortures, genocide, ecocide are not only words. And if you really tolerate them, some day they will comy to your relatives, neighbours, children, to YOU.

[Dea]

If you really want know the truth, follow the links.

And then You give links to biased and meaningless sites.

So thats what You think is truth.....

The truth is the only one, but there are many ways to be biased. Do you really want to be so biased? Do you want to be participant and supporter of the hugest crime towards the human being and all human values? If so, it's your choice and responsibility.

[independent]

The truth is the only one, but there are many ways to be biased. Do you really want to be so biased? Do you want to be participant and supporter of the hugest crime towards the human being and all human values? If so, it's your choice and responsibility.

Never trust someone yelling "This is the truth". Truth can be seen. Your "truth" is however very far a way
from what are western analytics and responsible media telling - or what is telling russia.

We already have learned that Georgia is enough ambagious to lie to us.

[chena]

A strangest thing came up. Can someone explain this to me please?
I've heard and read several times that ever since the conflict began, Russian TV channels and the "RU" zone in the internet have been shut down in Georgia. But this information came from Russian media, so I didn't now whether to believe it or not.
But today I saw this: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhWvJz1_TFc&NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhWvJz1_TFc&NR=1</a><!-- m -->
So, if people in Georgia can't watch Russian TV channels, how do those of you who say that they are lying know that?
Am I missing something?

Mila, just to prove that it is possible to watch Russian tv and have an access to Russian websites please see the attachement. I copied it from Lenta.ru you will be able to check it.

[Dea]

It seems that sometimes it's not enough to have eyes to see. Soviet thinking style often prevents people to realize and analyze what's happening around them.

[the globe]

It was not war between Georgia South Ossetia/ but the fighting of Georgia against Russian invasion into Georgia.

[chena]

The main question was that you really do not realize that Russia has violated the territory of a sovereign country. There is no possible justification for Russia’s actions including misleading informational campaign.
What is your definition of a peaceful city? The city where even hospitals have been bombed, schools are demolished, residential buildings are burnt? That’s what I have seen myself. I am not telling you about tens of villages burnt where nothing is left.

You don't really get the picture Yourself.
Violating a sovereign country territory is not very bad thing to do - but commit a mass-murder (Tskhinvali) is REALLY BAD.

You count too much on Your rights. You know maps are not drawn to be permanent - Countries becomes
independent or lose it. Situation is never permanent.

Just one question what are you doing here on EU forum if you think that violating a sovereign country is not very bad thing to do?!