Russia Exagerating Death Toll

[lashachochua]

I promised you to provide the source for Dostoevsky, do you remember?

Here it is:

"Selected Passages from Correspondence with Friends of Dostoevsky", Moscow, 1994, page 67 (in russian)

[Giovane]

1)I don't remember that you told me about my posts. So, maybe I forgot?
2)Of course, my posts are very similar with Putin's speach. "cause we got 1 speechwriter... You're absolutly write...
So if seriously, I don't know how it comment. 'Cause I've got desire to show you all my posts and ask you to show similar things...
When you will again reproach me for similarity with Putin/Medvedev try to select this fragments. It helps you not to be unsubstantiated
3)This sources was for other georgian members. And I'm not interesting did you see it or didn't.

P.S. thnx for Dostoevsky. But don't forget that there were also Gorkiy, Pushkin and others

[lashachochua]

1)I don't remember that you told me about my posts. So, maybe I forgot?
2)Of course, my posts are very similar with Putin's speach. "cause we got 1 speechwriter... You're absolutly write...
So if seriously, I don't know how it comment. 'Cause I've got desire to show you all my posts and ask you to show similar things...
When you will again reproach me for similarity with Putin/Medvedev try to select this fragments. It helps you not to be unsubstantiated
3)This sources was for other georgian members. And I'm not interesting did you see it or didn't.

P.S. thnx for Dostoevsky. But don't forget that there were also Gorkiy, Pushkin and others

Eh, Ok Giovane. It will not be difficult to find similiraties with your posts and speeches of russian political figures.... I would love if I will not be able to manage to find the similarities...Than it will be a great return of your brain to reality.........

[EU1]

Of courtse I dont want YOU to go to Ossetia and count bodies.
But, why and indeed how can you trust just your officials claiming 2000? how exactly did they know? and if they DIDNT KNOW, why attack Georgia??

Do you understan the words that are coming out of my mouth ? © Rush hour :haha

I see you are a sick man. So many people were killed and you are laughing.

1)Yea, EU, you're absolutely right, this is a sick man, who call himself by woman's nick...
2)So, you're so stupid that I don't want comment this bulshit that you wrote. And that you don't want to hide your stuoidity, It's very shocking....
Look this if you can't understand information in text....
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It appears, that '...firing a machinegun to a houseblock, without seeing the bodies?? " could exist
Finally, look 1 video, then you should make excuses...

This really war against civilians but not Ossetian army, shooting buildings where can be civilians and then the civilians if georgian soldiers see them, I am shocked, there were genocide against civilians video proves it. Georgians you should be ashamed and you should appologize for the actions of your government and army

[Lenus]

Of courtse I dont want YOU to go to Ossetia and count bodies.
But, why and indeed how can you trust just your officials claiming 2000? how exactly did they know? and if they DIDNT KNOW, why attack Georgia??

Do you understan the words that are coming out of my mouth ? © Rush hour :haha

I see you are a sick man. So many people were killed and you are laughing.

Sick? Well people are proved not to be killed.
Secondly, if you'd seen a film "Rush hour" you would have loughed too.

[Lenus]

1)Yea, EU, you're absolutely right, this is a sick man, who call himself by woman's nick...

"Lenus" is a woman's nick? :mrgreen:
Search it on wiki, at least, you ignoramus

2)So, you're so stupid that I don't want comment this bulshit that you wrote. And that you don't want to hide your stuoidity, It's very shocking.......

Moderators, please pay attention to this person. he's insluting other users, behaves himself as a hooligan, and contributes to diverting convernsation into the insult-exchange.

Please react and discourage it. Please.

It appears, that '...firing a machinegun to a houseblock, without seeing the bodies?? " could exist
Finally, look 1 video, then you should make excuses...

Yes, it could exist, and that;s my point exactly!

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[EU1]

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Please react and discourage it. Please.

Don't run away like your president, fight, be a man, you can protect yourself without outside help

[Eka]

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Don't run away like your president, fight, be a man, you can protect yourself without outside help

Man who are men maybe those small gays you call your presidents?
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[EU1]

It was when all Gori administration ran away following Saakashvili example and left civilians alone? You seem to be good sportsmen in running. I did not see any buildings being destroyed like it was in Ossetia

[Eka]

It was when all Gori administration ran away following Saakashvili example and left civilians alone? You seem to be a good sportsmen in running

EU. We have not tome to evacuate them as Kokoiti have done before HE TOGETHER WITH RUSSIAN PEACEKIPER STARTED THIS PROVOKATION. He evacuated most of population before Aug 8.And its one of facts that Russia and Kokoiti were prepearing for this provokation.
Administration was there .From were you have information that they run away? They were forst to leave town be your Generalls and soon returned.Its again your boshevik propaganda
See its Gori -your soldgers "HEROIZM"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGygucWyIp0&NR=1

[Lenus]

Moderators, please pay attention to this person. he's insluting other users, behaves himself as a hooligan, and contributes to diverting convernsation into the insult-exchange.

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Don't run away like your president, fight, be a man, you can protect yourself without outside help

My Presient has always been in Georgia. he Never ran.

This is a forum, not a war or fight. If you want to meet with me and see if I am a man or not, let's meet up, I ve got no problem, but here you should act as a civilised person (I do hope the word "civilised" is still included in Russian dictionaries, is it?

[Eka]

Moderators, please pay attention to this person. he's insluting other users, behaves himself as a hooligan, and contributes to diverting convernsation into the insult-exchange.

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Don't run away like your president, fight, be a man, you can protect yourself without outside help

My Presient has always been in Georgia. he Never ran.

This is a forum, not a war or fight. If you want to meet with me and see if I am a man or not, let's meet up, I ve got no problem, but here you should act as a civilised person (I do hope the word "civilised" is still included in Russian dictionaries, is it?

I suppose he prefers not to meet with you. its really Russians way of acting.He will continue to provoke.

[SiD]

I agree. it is better not to insult each other.
Still about Georgian army and thier maneuvers

But interviews with Western military officers who have experience working with Georgian military forces, including officers in Georgia, Europe and the United States, suggested that Georgia’s military shortfalls were serious and too difficult to change merely by upgrading equipment.

In the recent war, which was over in days, Georgia’s Army fled ahead of the Russian Army’s advance, turning its back and leaving Georgian civilians in an enemy’s path. Its planes did not fly after the first few hours of contact. Its navy was sunk in the harbor, and its patrol boats were hauled away by Russian trucks on trailers.

The information to date suggests that from the beginning of the war to its end, Georgia, which wants to join NATO, fought the war in a manner that undermined its efforts at presenting itself as a potentially serious military partner or power.

Mr. Saakashvili and his advisers also say that even though he has no tactical military experience, he was at one time personally directing important elements of the battle — giving orders over a cellphone and deciding when to move a brigade from western to central Georgia to face the advancing Russian columns.

In the field, there is evidence from an extensive set of witnesses that within 30 minutes of Mr. Saakashvili’s order, Georgia’s military began pounding civilian sections of the city of Tskhinvali, as well as a Russian peacekeeping base there, with heavy barrages of rocket and artillery fire.

The barrages all but ensured a Russian military response, several diplomats, military officers and witnesses said.

After the Russian columns arrived through the Roki Tunnel, and the battle swung quickly into Russia’s favor, Georgia said its attack had been necessary to stop a Russian attack that already had been under way.

To date, however, there has been no independent evidence, beyond Georgia’s insistence that its version is true, that Russian forces were attacking before the Georgian barrages.

During the battle, one Western military officer said, it had been obvious that Georgia’s logistical preparations were poor and that its units interfered with each other in the field.

This was in part because there was limited communication between ground forces and commanders, but also because there was almost no coordination between police units and military units, which often had overlapping tasks and crowded one another on the roads.

One senior Western military official said that one of the country’s senior generals had fled the battle in an ambulance, leaving soldiers and his duties behind. Georgia’s Defense Ministry strongly denies this.

No one disputes that the army succumbed to chaos and fear, which reached such proportions that the army fled all the way to the capital, abandoning the city of Gori without preparing a serious defense, and before the Russians had reached it in strength. It littered its retreat with discarded ammunition.

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[EU1]

I suppose he prefers not to meet with you. its really Russians way of acting.He will continue to provoke.

Yes you are right, men don't interest me. :-)

I meant the video where terrified Saakshvili saved his life running away. Good commander

[Lenus]

Yes you are right, men don't interest me. :-)

So, now you are running away like a coward? Lets meet up, I will make you interesting if yo wish :haha

I meant the video where terrified Saakshvili saved his life running away. Good commander

And what about it? There was a sniper and he must find a secure place in such case.
Do not talk about our leaders. Our First President was killed, The second president was attempte to e assasinated twice, and third one was aout to be shot after public (!) declarations that "saakashili must go".

I would like to see Putin in Chechnya :haha No Shelter may help him.

You live in 15th century and using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.

[Giovane]

And what about it? There was a sniper and he must find a secure place in such case.
Do not talk about our leaders. Our First President was killed, The second president was attempte to e assasinated twice, and third one was aout to be shot after public (!) declarations that "saakashili must go".

I would like to see Putin in Chechnya :haha No Shelter may help him.

You live in 15th century and using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA :haha :haha :haha :haha :haha
1)Lenus, it was GREAT JOKE. Pls, help me imagine, how Saakashvili, looked at the sky, could see a sniper????
2)And why only Saakashvili cold see a sniper???
3)Saakashvili maybe has a great sight???

About Putin;
1) Putin was in Chechny, and also he was during the war.
2)Putin was in Dagestan in 2000
3)Putin was in Beslan
4)Putin was in N. Osetia.
So you better keep silence 'bout our leader.
By the way, now you said, that Saakashvili is your leader. But in previous posts you denied that you're a georgian. Have you changed nationality?
Finaly, you should agree that saakashvili is coward.
P.S. I'm glad that finaly you agreed that georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval.

[EU1]

And what about it? There was a sniper and he must find a secure place in such case.

I already see how adequate is information which is given by Georgian mass-media. I have been laughing for half an hour... Only a child can believe in it... And you pretend that your TV provides you with truthful info, no comment :lol:

[EU1]

By the way how did your TV explain that Saakashli had eaten his tie? Was he hungry or what???????????????

[Terry]

By the way how did your TV explain that Saakashli had eaten his tie? Was he hungry or what???????????????

When I'm nervous I also do some things I don't realize. This is on the level of subconsciousness. Nothing is wrong with that.

[Nicholas]

By the way how did your TV explain that Saakashli had eaten his tie? Was he hungry or what???????????????

I'd like to see you to be in a country which is being bombed, and when a president of such a country like Russia says they don't really like your position - of being the president

[EU1]

By the way how did your TV explain that Saakashli had eaten his tie? Was he hungry or what???????????????

I'd like to see you to be in a country which is being bombed, and when a president of such a country like Russia says they don't really like your position - of being the president

The president of S Ossetia where there was a genoside and who was the first target for being killed, we did not see him eating his clothes or running from a sniper with his bodyguards, but he fought and tried to save his people from disapperance. And Saakashvili is a loser that is seen in all his behavior. What do you think about Saakashvili and his mental state? Did he realized what he had made in S Ossetia? Does he care about georgian people or he thinks only about saving his ass?

[Eka]

By the way how did your TV explain that Saakashli had eaten his tie? Was he hungry or what???????????????

I'd like to see you to be in a country which is being bombed, and when a president of such a country like Russia says they don't really like your position - of being the president

The president of S Ossetia where there was a genoside and who was the first target for being killed, we did not see him eating his clothes or running from a sniper with his bodyguards, but he fought and tried to save his people from disapperance. And Saakashvili is a loser that is seen in all his behavior. What do you think about Saakashvili and his mental state? Did he realized what he had made in S Ossetia? Does he care about georgian people or he thinks only about saving his ass?

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Мы вернулись в Цхинвали. Все эти дни власть в городе представляли лишь военные. Никто не знал, где находятся министры и президент республики. Официально было объявлено, что правительство находится в эвакуации в Джаве, но ни одного министра я там не видела. Рассказывали, как в первые дни войны министры требовали у миротворцев машины для эвакуации. Как министры сажали своих жен в "уазики" и покидали город. В Цхинвали вместе с сидящими в подвалах жителями остались только секретарь совбеза Анатолий Баранкевич, министр внутренних дел Михаил Миндзаев, глава МИД Южной Осетии Мурат Джиоев и министр информации Ирина Гаглоева. То, что эти люди остались в городе, придавало уверенности и всем остальным его жителям.

За пять дней в Цхинвали я постоянно видела этих чиновников. Но ни разу — президента Кокойты. Я слышала, как люди задают один и тот же вопрос: "Где Джабеевич? Почему он в Джаве? Ведь мы остались здесь!" Никто не хотел верить, что президент покинул город. Ведь многие знали о том, что последние месяцы президент Кокойты более чем активно отвечал на выстрелы с грузинской стороны. Некоторые оппоненты президента в Северной Осетии даже утверждали, что достаточно часто грузинскую сторону провоцировали спецподразделения Кокойты — чтобы развязать войну, поставить точку в многолетнем грузино-осетинском конфликте, а заодно подыграть Владимиру Путину, которому давно хочется показать Михаилу Саакашвили и НАТО, кто на Кавказе хозяин. В этом смысле Кокойты, провоцирующий грузин, и Саакашвили, решивший ввести войска в Южную Осетию, чтобы наказать "осетинских боевиков" и поскорее вступить в НАТО, одинаково виновны в том, что Южная Осетия сожжена и разрушена.

Возможно, эта война разрешила много политических проблем. Только вот президент Кокойты стал терять свою прежнюю популярность в республике. На Кавказе сложно объяснить людям, почему мужественный молодой президент находится в мирной Джаве, когда его граждане — преимущественно старики, женщины и дети — сидят в подвалах под бомбами. Наверное, поэтому в минувший вторник из Владикавказа в Джаву приехали два российских гражданина — братья Вадим и Владислав Козаевы. Они приехали, как говорят знающие их люди, чтобы "набить морду" президенту Южной Осетии. Достигнуть своей цели им не удалось — их задержали сотрудники госбезопасности Южной Осетии и, несмотря на требования родственников из Северной Осетии, отпустить отказались.

[Lenus]

1)Lenus, it was GREAT JOKE. Pls, help me imagine, how Saakashvili, looked at the sky, could see a sniper????
2)And why only Saakashvili cold see a sniper???
3)Saakashvili maybe has a great sight???

Well, I will help you to imagine.
all your 3 questions (I wonder wvy you otver nubering t[/quote]em are tve same, so I will answer witv one answer.

Snipers are usually on the rooves of the buildings, Saakashvili didn't "look in the sky", but he simply looked up. there is a difference. Saakashvili doesn't look for the snipers, he has bodyguards, and all decisions of bodygouards are obeyed by president without questioning. Its a standard practice in all of the world.

Tell me, if President Kennedy could have saved himself with running or covering, when he was killed, would you have called him a coward?

In fact, more Russian propagana uses this event as an attempt to discredit Saakashvili, more damaging it does to Russians' reputation. I cannot believe you can justify suck moking at a man under a danger of being killed in the civilised society. (btw, have you looked up a definition of "civilised" in Russian Dictionary?)

About Putin;
1) Putin was in Chechny, and also he was during the war.
2)Putin was in Dagestan in 2000
3)Putin was in Beslan
4)Putin was in N. Osetia.
So you better keep silence 'bout our leader.

I am sorry but you are telling untrue stories. But, Topic is not about Putin's braveness and neither about Saakashvili's cowardness. its caled Russia Exagerating Death Toll. Let's keep closer to topic.

By the way, now you said, that Saakashvili is your leader. But in previous posts you denied that you're a georgian. Have you changed nationality?
Finaly, you should agree that saakashvili is coward.
P.S. I'm glad that finaly you agreed that georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval.

Dont put words into my mouth.

Present tve evidence - when did I deny I was Georgian?
I dont agree Presdent is a coward.
You are glad in vain, cause I never agreed that "georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval". by the way, city is called Tskhinvali. Remember, please.

[EU1]

I dont agree Presdent is a coward..

Who is he then? Legend hero? He is murderer of sleeping civilians

You are glad in vain, cause I never agreed that "georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval". ..

Watch once more the video where your brave soldiers did so. By the way what did they say in Georgian? Something like Destroy it?

by the way, city is called Tskhinvali. Remember, please.

Ossetians call it Tskhinval. Don't forget