Russia Exagerating Death Toll

[Giovane]

Dont put words into my mouth.

Present tve evidence - when did I deny I was Georgian?
I dont agree Presdent is a coward.
You are glad in vain, cause I never agreed that "georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval". by the way, city is called Tskhinvali. Remember, please.

I give you your previos quotes
1)'' ...Well, I am astonished by your guess.
how do you do it, holmes??...'' ( When I asked you are you georgian)
2)"...can jail a person firing a machinegun to a houseblock, without seeing the bodies?? ""
3)"...Yes, it could exist, and that;s my point exactly!..."

[Lenus]

I dont agree Presdent is a coward..

Who is he then? Legend hero? He is murderer of sleeping civilians

So, he must be either a hero or a coward? No middle groungs left for Russian Logic?
"murderer of sleeping civilians"? Its very blatantly Propagandistic of you

You are glad in vain, cause I never agreed that "georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval". ..

Watch once more the video where your brave soldiers did so. By the way what did they say in Georgian? Something like Destroy it?

AND IF ThIS VIDEO IS REAL AND WE DESTROYED ALL SLEEPING CIVILIANS, WhERE ARE ThE BODIES??????? :banghead

by the way, city is called Tskhinvali. Remember, please.

Ossetians call it Tskhinval. Don't forget

Ossetians can call it LasVegas for what I care, the official name is TSKhINVALI.

[Lenus]

Dont put words into my mouth.

Present tve evidence - when did I deny I was Georgian?
I dont agree Presdent is a coward.
You are glad in vain, cause I never agreed that "georgian troops blinly fired around in Tskhinval". by the way, city is called Tskhinvali. Remember, please.

I give you your previos quotes
1)'' ...Well, I am astonished by your guess.
how do you do it, holmes??...'' ( When I asked you are you georgian)
2)"...can jail a person firing a machinegun to a houseblock, without seeing the bodies?? ""
3)"...Yes, it could exist, and that;s my point exactly!..."

Look, fellow, you must speak better English to discuss such complex issues on English speaking forum.
If you want to discuss it in Russian, be my guest: <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.irakly.info">http://www.irakly.info</a><!-- w -->

[SiD]

Snipers are usually on the rooves of the buildings, Saakashvili didn't "look in the sky", but he simply looked up. there is a difference. Saakashvili doesn't look for the snipers, he has bodyguards, and all decisions of bodygouards are obeyed by president without questioning. Its a standard practice in all of the world.

Tell me, if President Kennedy could have saved himself with running or covering, when he was killed, would you have called him a coward?

HAHAHAHAAH. :haha :haha :haha . Saakashvili noticed sniper!!!! with naked eye!!!! sooner than his bodyguards no less!!!! :haha :haha :haha . I was telling once that according to georgians he can shot lightning from his ass too :haha :haha i was right as it seems. you are unbeliveble. :haha :haha :haha

[Lenus]

HAHAHAHAAH. :haha :haha :haha . Saakashvili noticed sniper!!!! with naked eye!!!! sooner than his bodyguards no less!!!! :haha :haha :haha . I was telling once that according to georgians he can shot lightning from his ass too :haha :haha i was right as it seems. you are unbeliveble. :haha :haha :haha

SiD, calm down, stop acting like an idiot.

I never said it was Saakashvili who noticed ut BODYGUARDS!, there are other guys usually on a high points (rooves, for example) and they do have wireless communication.

So what is so funny?

You can lough as long as GasPutin can crack a nut by his arse, but soon he will not be able to ... :mrgreen:

RUSSIA EXAGGERATING DEATh TOLL!!!

Back to topic, please. Our dear Russians are trying to divert the conversation in order to cover the criminal statement and acts of their Government.

WhAT WAS ThE REASON FOR INVADING GEORGIA??

[SiD]

SiD, calm down, stop acting like an idiot.

I never said it was Saakashvili who noticed ut BODYGUARDS!, there are other guys usually on a high points (rooves, for example) and they do have wireless communication.

So what is so funny?

You can lough as long as GasPutin can crack a nut by his arse, but soon he will not be able to ...

They are hardcore proffesionals :haha :haha :haha is it thier duty to frighten the president? He run so fast that they couldnt cath him :haha . Are those your best? :haha . I think Putin could kill Saakashvili himself (knowing how "WELL" he is guarded) but he wont bother, better to maintain Saakashvili in good health.

I see yor point about returning to theme of topic.
But it is realy no much to discuss. Everything was said. We must wait for final report abouth death toll to tell is it realy so exaggereted? Parhaps a bit. Parhaps not.

[Andrewz]

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Thank you!

[Salomo]

Tell me, if President Kennedy could have saved himself with running or covering, when he was killed, would you have called him a coward?

In fact, more Russian propagana uses this event as an attempt to discredit Saakashvili, more damaging it does to Russians' reputation. I cannot believe you can justify suck moking at a man under a danger of being killed in the civilised society. (btw, have you looked up a definition of "civilised" in Russian Dictionary?)

Good point this about Kennedy uper

Saakashvili's fears of air attacks were in my opinion not groundless. For example, many Chechen leaders, Russia's enemies, were killed by Russian air attacks, the first one being Dzohar Dudayev (a man that could have been the best and strongest leader for the Chechens), and others, if I remember correct also Aslan Maskhadov... Of course Saakashvili wanted to stay alive and not share their fate. Btw also USA has presidents on its conscience: e.g. Salvador Allende...

[Lenus]

. I think Putin could kill Saakashvili himself (knowing how "WELL" he is guarded) but he wont bother, better to maintain Saakashvili in good health.

We dont question Putins ability of killing Neighbour Presidents. Ask Ukrainians.

. I see yor point about returning to theme of topic.
But it is realy no much to discuss. Everything was said. We must wait for final report abouth death toll to tell is it realy so exaggereted? Parhaps a bit. Parhaps not.

Perhaps Enormously exaggerated.
Judge for yourself:
1. declared: 2000. Invaded with accusations on Genocide!
2. No international observers allowed to verify the figure!
3. Russians declared new number: 133 civilans killed
4. Nobody confirmed even 133.
5. we need to know If there are women and children among 133 and nobody can confirm it.
6. If these guys were fighting, no pont callng them "sleeping civlians".
7. Last, but not least: WhO EXACTLY killed them?? TSKhiNVALI was destroyed by RUSSIANS, Not GEORGIANS.

[Eugene from Belarus]

7. Last, but not least: WhO EXACTLY killed them?? TSKhiNVALI was destroyed by RUSSIANS, Not GEORGIANS.

espacially for you
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see video

[Lenus]

7. Last, but not least: WhO EXACTLY killed them?? TSKhiNVALI was destroyed by RUSSIANS, Not GEORGIANS.

espacially for you
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see video

:mrgreen:
Before I even attempt to consume another Sleepless in Tskinvali Video, tell me is there any proof there that 2000 (!!!!) civilians are killed by GEorgians??

[EU1]

7. Last, but not least: WhO EXACTLY killed them?? TSKhiNVALI was destroyed by RUSSIANS, Not GEORGIANS.

espacially for you
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see video

:mrgreen:
Before I even attempt to consume another Sleepless in Tskinvali Video, tell me is there any proof there that 2000 (!!!!) civilians are killed by GEorgians??

And who else killed civilians besides Georgians? You made war in Tshinval within approximately 2 days before Russians came.

[Lenus]

And who else killed civilians besides Georgians? You made war in Tshinval within approximately 2 days before Russians came.

Its not quite true. Russians were there from 7th August. Not in such quantities as later , of course.

When we took Tskinvali, we left it back to Ossetians. Objective was only to pacify them, as Osetians were shooting, and Russian "peacemakers" were simply shrugging shoulders. We took tskinvali three times until it became blatantly obvious that Russian were not just not stopping Osetians, ut were helping them.

ALL CIVILIANS were evacuated already, how could we have killed them? And Yes, the Fox news girl story is wel-known stupidity, please find something else if you want to respond.

do you think RUSSIANS didnt use Bombs or Aviation , or Artillery sustems afterwards to "recapture" tskinvali??
Did they allow civilians (georgians) to go away first? :nonnon

[Eugene from Belarus]

7. Last, but not least: WhO EXACTLY killed them?? TSKhiNVALI was destroyed by RUSSIANS, Not GEORGIANS.

espacially for you
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.vz.ru/society/2008/9/10/206474.html">http://www.vz.ru/society/2008/9/10/206474.html</a><!-- m -->
see video

:mrgreen:
Before I even attempt to consume another Sleepless in Tskinvali Video, tell me is there any proof there that 2000 (!!!!) civilians are killed by GEorgians??

Go there and count graves on schools backyards
You belive to human rights watch (HHW), am i right? OK. Now, let's see. 08/08/2008 HHW said that only 133 civiliance were killed. I wonder how did they count this under GRAD's bombing?
Look at Tshinval. 80% of the city was ruined. how many people was killed there, what do you think?

[Lenus]

Go there and count graves on schools backyards
You belive to human rights watch (HHW), am i right? OK. Now, let's see. 08/08/2008 HHW said that only 133 civiliance were killed. I wonder how did they count this under GRAD's bombing? ?

What graves are you talking about exactly??

I Believe HRW, yes.

The Report is made on 13tH August. Look at the first post of this topic. I am sorry if HRW is more credile source of information tHan tHe Russian Prosecution office.

Look at Tshinval. 80% of the city was ruined. how many people was killed there, what do you think?

80% of city is not destroyed by GEorgians,. Russians gave a city bigger ruining while recapturing it.
Besides, I dont know any city called Tskinval. Pervaps you are trying to say TSKHINVALI?

[EU1]

What graves are you talking about exactly??

I Believe HRW, yes.

The Report is made on 13tH August. Look at the first post of this topic. I am sorry if HRW is more credile source of information tHan tHe Russian Prosecution office.

I wonder who sponsers HRW? Answering this question will explain everything

80% of city is not destroyed by GEorgians,. Russians gave a city bigger ruining while recapturing it.
Besides, I dont know any city called Tskinval. Pervaps you are trying to say TSKHINVALI?

If to watch video where georgian tanks enter Tskhinval and fire the buildings just for fun, it show georgian soldiers are civilised and why 80% of city is destroyed

[Lenus]

What graves are you talking about exactly??

I Believe HRW, yes.

The Report is made on 13tH August. Look at the first post of this topic. I am sorry if HRW is more credile source of information tHan tHe Russian Prosecution office.

I wonder who sponsers HRW? Answering this question will explain everything

80% of city is not destroyed by GEorgians,. Russians gave a city bigger ruining while recapturing it.
Besides, I dont know any city called Tskinval. Pervaps you are trying to say TSKHINVALI?

If to watch video where georgian tanks enter Tskhinval and fire the buildings just for fun, it show georgian soldiers are civilised and why 80% of city is destroyed

HRW - if it was a biased opinion institution, why Russia didnt suggest any other one? (like Russian or elorussian prosecution office).

Vieo doesnt show any firing at the civilians, so knock the bullshit off.

[SiD]

Look Lenus you believe convinient truths and i dont blame you. It is natural actualy. You sing praises to US and thier "free" media but if they show something you dont like you call it stupidity or bullshit.

Its not quite true. Russians were there from 7th August. Not in such quantities as later , of course.

When we took Tskinvali, we left it back to Ossetians. Objective was only to pacify them, as Osetians were shooting, and Russian "peacemakers" were simply shrugging shoulders. We took tskinvali three times until it became blatantly obvious that Russian were not just not stopping Osetians, ut were helping them.

Wasnt it stated that you attacked Sckhinvali becouse russian troops were approaching? And take city 3 times . Actualy i see different stories from different georgians in this forum. Parhaps you all shall agree on one version?

[EU1]

Vieo doesnt show any firing at the civilians, so knock the bullshit off.

I did not say that there was shown killing of civilians at that video (there are some others where georgian soldiers fire unarmed civilians) but that video shows how georgians behaved in Tskhinval, their methods of making war, do you think it is good to fire buildings and destroy them just for fun? What is the reason to do that? Besides there could be civilians in buildings....

[mika]

Vieo doesnt show any firing at the civilians, so knock the bullshit off.

I did not say that there was shown killing of civilians at that video (there are some others where georgian soldiers fire unarmed civilians) but that video shows how georgians behaved in Tskhinval, their methods of making war, do you think it is good to fire buildings and destroy them just for fun? What is the reason to do that? Besides there could be civilians in buildings....

Do you know any civilized "methods of making war?" ;-)

[Eugene from Belarus]

Vieo doesnt show any firing at the civilians, so knock the bullshit off.

I did not say that there was shown killing of civilians at that video (there are some others where georgian soldiers fire unarmed civilians) but that video shows how georgians behaved in Tskhinval, their methods of making war, do you think it is good to fire buildings and destroy them just for fun? What is the reason to do that? Besides there could be civilians in buildings....

Do you know any civilized "methods of making war?" ;-)

I know. not to bomb civil buildings - to bomb just militaty objects. as russians did

[mika]

I know. not to bomb civil buildings - to bomb just militaty objects. as russians did

Eugene, you did not get my point I am against war in general.

[Eugene from Belarus]

I know. not to bomb civil buildings - to bomb just militaty objects. as russians did

Eugene, you did not get my point I am against war in general.

so am I. That's why i am against Saakashvili, too

[Salomo]

Do you know any civilized "methods of making war?" ;-)

I know. not to bomb civil buildings - to bomb just militaty objects. as russians did

But that's not true, civilian buildings too were bombed in Gori!!

[SiD]

Do you know any civilized "methods of making war?" ;-)

I agree. There are some rules but war itself is war still. It should be avoided if possible.