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The Gypsies in Italia -‘problema zingari' (‘Gypsy problem')?
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08-28-2008, 06:35 PM
There are so many Gypsies in Italy now, that in the future an Italian may be called a Gypsy, just like Romanians today are.
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08-28-2008, 06:48 PM
Watch a film "The time of gypsies",directed by Emir Kusturica. This film is although very old (1989 may be) but it doesn't their topically....
08-28-2008, 06:50 PM
who produced the movie? I mean what country?
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08-28-2008, 07:16 PM
Benn Wrote:who produced the movie? I mean what country? I suppose, Yugoslavia (1989 may be...) :mrgreen:
08-28-2008, 07:52 PM
Yes,Yugoslavia. But this film exists in2 versions. 1 is serial version. 2 isn't serial , but it duration about 3 hours maybe. But film is very interesting. And main actions are in Milan
08-28-2008, 08:14 PM
Why Milan? Is it the city in Italy where Gypsies use to live?
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08-28-2008, 08:42 PM
Ben, if I would tell you why Milan, in this case film will became uninteresting )))))
All that I can tell you that film is very inteesting and tragic)
08-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Are you from Italy, Giovane? Your name tells so.
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08-28-2008, 10:09 PM
Not Italy, I'm from Russia,Moscow. My name is Ivan (italian analogue is Giovanne).
Ben,and you?
08-28-2008, 10:23 PM
I now live in Greece, but use to change frequently the country of living. I just thought to move to Italy, but the problem of Gypsies stopped me from doing that. What can you suggest me?
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08-28-2008, 10:27 PM
I think that you should go to Russia
 There are no gypses in so enormous quantity here))))))
08-28-2008, 11:04 PM
Thanks for the suggestion. But I do know Moscow is full of guest-workers from all over the Asia. That doesn't bring joy as well.
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08-29-2008, 11:40 AM
Giovane Wrote:I think that you should go to Russia Giovane, do you heard about the movie "Gypsies camp's goes to sky" - "Mosfilm studio", 1976 or "Табор уходит в небо" <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=4JRKjzT2x0E">http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=4JRKjzT2x0E</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FBzUblHVU&feature=related">http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FBzUblH ... re=related</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNkcrJkJRo&feature=related">http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNkcrJkJ ... re=related</a><!-- m --> :haha
08-29-2008, 12:18 PM
clearman Wrote:Giovane Wrote:I think that you should go to Russia Yes, and what????? I'm so shoking, that foreign man know this film)))
08-29-2008, 12:50 PM
As I said: Gypsies are everywhere, even in former Soviet Union
08-29-2008, 12:54 PM
clearman Wrote:As I said: Gypsies are everywhere, even in former Soviet Union I saw no gypsy in USA or Canada I think there none of them in Australia too. (just can't imagine it)
08-29-2008, 01:02 PM
Nicholas Wrote:clearman Wrote:As I said: Gypsies are everywhere, even in former Soviet Union Wrong, in America are about 1 (one) million people with Gypsy origin, the largest overseas gypsy community. Check that! Maybe they are assimilated by American society.....but they still exist in America.  lurp
08-29-2008, 01:07 PM
I guess it's just expensive to travel and to get there
As I know most of them travel by cart. They'll need to invent a floating cart. And I guess it's coming soon...
08-29-2008, 01:08 PM
Interesting, how do they manage to cross the borders by carts?
Are they allowed to make it that way?
08-29-2008, 05:45 PM
About gypsies in America:
Romnichels The Romnichels, or Rom'nies, began to come to the United States from England in 1850. Their arrival coincided with an increase in the demand for draft horses in agriculture and then in urban transportation. Many Romnichels worked as horse traders, both in the travel-intensive acquisition of stock and in long-term urban sales stable enterprise. After the rapid decline in the horse trade following the First World War, most Romnichels relied on previously secondary enterprises, "basket-making," including the manufacture and sale of rustic furniture, and fortune telling. The slight literature on this group was produced steadily but sporadically from 1880 to 1920; after that date material appeared rarely until the 1980s. With the exception of one language study, this literature is intended for a popular audience; only recently has scholarly work treated this group. The literature usually refers to this group as English Gypsies. The Romnichel language, which native speakers refer to as Rom'nes (used as a noun), uses common Romani lexical terms in a matrix of English grammar and syntax. The literature refers to this language as Angloromani (or Anglo-Romani). Rom The Rom arrived in the United States and Canada from Serbia, Russia and Austria-Hungary beginning in the 1880s, as part of the larger wave of immigration from southern and eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Primary immigration ended, for the most part, in 1914, with the beginning of the First World War and subsequent tightening of immigration restrictions. Many in this group specialized in coppersmith work, mainly the repair and refining of industrial equipment used in bakeries, laundries, confectioneries and other businesses. The Rom, too, developed the fortune-telling business in urban areas. Virtually all the anthropological and sociological work on North American Gypsies concerns the Rom, an emphasis which has led a British observer to label the North American academic tradition "Kalderashocentric," Kalderash being one of the Rom subgroups. The first work covered in this bibliography to concern the Rom appeared in 1903. Material appeared sporadically after that, and steadily from 1928 onward. This group is also referred to in the literature as Nomads, Coppersmiths, Nomad Coppersmiths, Vlach (or Vlax) Gypsies, or by reference to a country from which they immigrated to North America, as Brazilian Gypsies, Bulgarian Gypsies, and so forth. The individual subgroup terms Kalderash and Machwaya are also used. While in the Kalderash dialect of the Romani language, Rom is both singular and plural, the Machwaya dialect has plural Roma, which is also found in the literature. The inflected language of the Rom belongs to the "Vlach" branch of the Romani language family. Native speakers refer to "speaking Romanes" (adverb) "in the Gypsy fashion." A group of Rom who began immigrating to the United States and Canada from eastern Europe in the 1970s is represented primarily in the police literature, where they are referred to as Yugoslavian Gypsies. Ludar The Ludar, or "Rumanian Gypsies," also emigrated to North America during the great immigration from southern and eastern Europe between 1880 and 1914. Most of the Ludar came from northwestern Bosnia. Upon their arrival in North America they specialized as animal trainers and show people, and indeed passenger manifests show bears and monkeys as a major part of their baggage. Only a handful of items covering this group have been published, beginning in 1902. The ethnic language of the Ludar is a form of Romanian. They are occasionally referred to as Ursari in the literature. "Black Dutch" Gypsies from Germany, generally referred to in the literature as Chikeners (Pennsylvania German, from German Zigeuner), sometimes refer to themselves as "Black Dutch." (While the term "Black Dutch" has been adopted by these German Gypsies, it does not originate with this group and has been used ambiguously to refer to several non-Gypsy populations.) They are few in number and claim to have largely assimilated to Romnichel culture. In the past known as horse traders and basket makers, some continue to provide baskets to US Amish and Mennonite communities. The literature on this group is very sparse and unreliable. Hungarian Gypsies The Hungarian (or Hungarian-Slovak) musicians also came to this country with the eastern European immigration. In the United States they continued as musicians to the Hungarian and Slovak immigrant settlements, and count the musical tradition as a basic cultural element. The sparse literature on this group begins in 1921. Curiously the proportion of scholarly efforts is higher than for the literature on other groups: three sociological studies (although two are unpublished master's theses), and one survey focused on music. Irish Travelers The Irish Travelers immigrated, like the Romnichels, from the mid to late nineteenth century. The Irish Travelers specialized in the horse and mule trade, as well as in itinerant sales of goods and services; the latter gained in importance after the demise of the horse and mule trade. The literature also refers to this group as Irish Traders or, sometimes, Tinkers. Their ethnic language is referred to in the literature as Irish Traveler Cant. Harper's ethnographic and sociolinguistic studies and Andereck's in the sociology of education are the few serious studies of this group. The popular literature on Irish Travelers includes articles in Catholic periodicals. Scottish Travelers The present population of Scottish Travelers in North America also dates from about 1850, although the 18th-century transportation records appear to refer to this group. Unlike that of the other groups, Scottish Traveler immigration has been continuous. Also unlike the other groups, Scottish Travelers have continued to travel between Scotland and North America, as well as between Canada and the United States, after immigration. Scottish Travelers also engaged in horse trading, but since the first quarter of the 20th century have specialized in itinerant sales and services. With the exception of one researcher's master's and doctoral theses and material culture studies, the literature on this group consists almost wholly of warnings to prospective consumers accompanied by information, derived from consumer protection agency records, of doubtful accuracy. :quoi
08-31-2008, 02:03 AM
Why isn't America complaining about Gypsies if it has so many. I haven't heard of such cases. Is it due to their democracy and policy of making all people equal?
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08-31-2008, 04:01 PM
Maybe because they are confusing them with Indians, and therefore with the Indian land problem…
01-21-2009, 12:32 PM
Wanna know who are really free people in the world ? they are Gypsies!
They are just like us and must be protected from discriminations in EU! Best Regards, yours, Sektor_Gaza Tajikistan
02-08-2009, 10:40 AM
sektor_Gaza Wrote:Wanna know who are really free people in the world ? they are Gypsies! And why do you say they are "really free"? Because they afford themselves doing whatever they want? This is rather impudence than freedom, and, this is the reason why civilized countries don't like Gypsies.
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03-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Terry Wrote:evryone is so smart here, but tell me, has anybody ever been hurt by a Gypsy? Why are you so angry on them people? I sure have. Zingari don't want to become normal working people. One thing is work migration. Another thing is moving piazza to piazza begging for money and then breaking cars if you don't . Join the damn army if you are out of a job! |
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