Georgia and South Ossetia at war

[Yalta1945]

As I say I believe that big majority of people in those countries didn't want to join = occupation
But I was only wondering how easily and without any resistance was it done. Thats why I think
that there might have been involved some kind of political treason.
For me it is strange when from Estonia came 3000 volunteers to support us at Winter War.
But in Estonia was done nothing when needed.

Many Thanks to Salomo who answered to it.
However I noticed that Russian officials coined a different political vocabulary. Talking their terms explanation might look like this:
Hitler and Stalin were looking for the way how to make their peacekeeping missions in Europe more effective. So the two partners decided to divide the continent into their respective areas of responsibility and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and its additional protocols were concluded between them.
The cooperation proved to be very fruitful in compelling the Polish authorities to peace. Then Russians started peacemaking operation in Finland. Although the operation was not finished completely, it served a good lesson to the aggressive regimes in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. The USSR delivered very open messages to the leaders of these states: let us in so that we may defend our citizens in your countries or we launch our peacemaking operation upon you, too. Having witnessed the consequences of peacemaking in Finland and Poland, the Baltic States made no organized military resistance at that time.
But did it help these countries to escape from justice? No. Logically, some Estonians and Latvians later joined German peacemakers. Latvians were very brave defending Kurzeme but were overtaken by Russian peacemakers. Lithuanians organized active resistance after WWII but were forced into peace anyway. The difference was minor: bandits lost just a bit less than fascists.

[russian999]

Many Thanks to Salomo who answered to it.
However I noticed that Russian officials coined a different political vocabulary. Talking their terms explanation might look like this:
Hitler and Stalin were looking for the way how to make their peacekeeping missions in Europe more effective. So the two partners decided to divide the continent into their respective areas of responsibility and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and its additional protocols were concluded between them.
The cooperation proved to be very fruitful in compelling the Polish authorities to peace. Then Russians started peacemaking operation in Finland. Although the operation was not finished completely, it served a good lesson to the aggressive regimes in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. The USSR delivered very open messages to the leaders of these states: let us in so that we may defend our citizens in your countries or we launch our peacemaking operation upon you, too. Having witnessed the consequences of peacemaking in Finland and Poland, the Baltic States made no organized military resistance at that time.
But did it help these countries to escape from justice? No. Logically, some Estonians and Latvians later joined German peacemakers. Latvians were very brave defending Kurzeme but were overtaken by Russian peacemakers. Lithuanians organized active resistance after WWII but were forced into peace anyway. The difference was minor: bandits lost just a bit less than fascists.

During WWII Russia, beeng banditic country, saved you, guys, from Hitler. But good democratic countrys was just sitting on they ass. Sometimes you have to be gratefull to bandits, becouse they saved you from the animals.

[sgt.pepper]

I read some of the comments and have only one question by which law (or logic) can a contry defend its citizens on the territory of another independent counrry by invassion of millitary forces (70 000 solders, more than 300 tanks)? Please remember that Georgian forces has not crossed Russian border, this is Russians who are bombing civilians in conflict zone in so called South Ossetia, and all over Georgia in hundreds of kilometers from the conflict zone. Please be more reasoneble when you post your opinion, just get more infrmation about the situation.

What is more important, this is not Georgia-South Ossetia or Georgia-Russia war, this is the Russian respond to the world's recognition of Kosovo. They are doing what they've promised: taking South Ossetia and Abkhazia if US and Europe dared to recognize Kosovo. The US and Europe recognized Kosovo and it is Georgia which is paying for their inresponsible decision. That is why US and European countires are responsible for what is going on in Georgia right nochena

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I read this comment and have only one question by which law (or logic) can (let's say) one_great_coUntry defend the-whole-world-knows-not-what-or-who on the territory of another independent counTry by invassion of millitary forces? Please remember that iraq forces has not crossed US border, this is NATO who are bombing civilians in_NO_conflict zone in manythousands-and-oceansaway of kilometers from the GREATCOUNTRY. Please be more reasoneble when you post your opinion, just admit free west mass media infOrmation about the situation are often as reasonable as your opinion.
No jokes... imagine the territory beside the the US border where 9 of 10 are US citizens, but "independant country" decides to bomp peaceful city of about 50,000 population and break it to ruin overnight? What would the GREATPOLICEMANOFTHEWORLD do?..

[Sicil]

Very soon we will see independent chechens..independent Ingushetia, independet part of Latvia, seperated Ukraine..wow great..

Tough words. Yeaaap. But maybe at first you would ask chechens, ingushes, dagestanen if they want to be independent from Russia?
I myself have a lot of friends from Grozni, who are proud to name themselves Russians.
Lets remember last elections in Russia... 98% of Caucasuses voted for president Medvedev, I sure they don't trust him, how could they vote for him, scurvy bastards).
Lets ask Ramzan Kadyrov (the man, chechens would die for):
"In Chechnya people voted for constitution, by which region is recognized as part of Russian Federation. We made our choice, and you should not try to force us in another war.

You say, that you have democracy in Georgia? Ossetian and Abhasian had voted for they independence, if you are you trying to prove, that democracy means something for, you should let them go.
But you won't.. You, who begged Russian Empire to protect them from same chechens, you, who began 8 wars during 20 years of independence..
You, whose economic would crash without us. You just.. idiots..
Don't bite the hand, you've been eating from.

PS Talking about Stalin, or Djugashvili by his birth name, you so keen to remember was... who could thought about that.. Georgian.. Think about that you really want to weaken yourself by helping country whose president, speaks to his own nation in English, who ran from a view of one Russian plane in to the nearest bush, who ate his tie, and who said at 7 of august that he would never use force against South Ossetia, and the next day gives command to destroy Chinval?

[lashachochua]

Very soon we will see independent chechens..independent Ingushetia, independet part of Latvia, seperated Ukraine..wow great..

Tough words. Yeaaap. But maybe at first you would ask chechens, ingushes, dagestanen if they want to be independent from Russia?
I myself have a lot of friends from Grozni, who are proud to name themselves Russians.
Lets remember last elections in Russia... 98% of Caucasuses voted for president Medvedev, I sure they don't trust him, how could they vote for him, scurvy bastards).
Lets ask Ramzan Kadyrov (the man, chechens would die for):
"In Chechnya people voted for constitution, by which region is recognized as part of Russian Federation. We made our choice, and you should not try to force us in another war.

You say, that you have democracy in Georgia? Ossetian and Abhasian had voted for they independence, if you are you trying to prove, that democracy means something for, you should let them go.
But you won't.. You, who begged Russian Empire to protect them from same chechens, you, who began 8 wars during 20 years of independence..
[u]You, whose economic would crash without us. You just.. idiots[/u]..
Don't bite the hand, you've been eating from.

PS Talking about Stalin, or Djugashvili by his birth name, you so keen to remember was... who could thought about that.. Georgian.. Think about that you really want to weaken yourself by helping country whose president, speaks to his own nation in English, who ran from a view of one Russian plane in to the nearest bush, who ate his tie, and who said at 7 of august that he would never use force against South Ossetia, and the next day gives command to destroy Chinval?

You real idiot, first you have to know that 250000-300000 people were displaced from abkhazia, many of them fromSouth ossetia.... How one can ask the representative of one nationality (abkhaz 75 000) and not ask thos from georgians living there....Is it democracy........The lands which belonged to georgia for more than 25 centuries, we have to give people who came on these territories after 16 century. No way....This is not the end of the war.....We were defeated in the battle.......But we shall never say no to this territories....They are the part of Georgia, and we are not against to live with abkhazs and ossetians there...Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

[IamGEORGIA]

Very soon we will see independent chechens..independent Ingushetia, independet part of Latvia, seperated Ukraine..wow great..

Tough words. Yeaaap. But maybe at first you would ask chechens, ingushes, dagestanen if they want to be independent from Russia?
I myself have a lot of friends from Grozni, who are proud to name themselves Russians.
Lets remember last elections in Russia... 98% of Caucasuses voted for president Medvedev, I sure they don't trust him, how could they vote for him, scurvy bastards).
Lets ask Ramzan Kadyrov (the man, chechens would die for):
"In Chechnya people voted for constitution, by which region is recognized as part of Russian Federation. We made our choice, and you should not try to force us in another war.

You say, that you have democracy in Georgia? Ossetian and Abhasian had voted for they independence, if you are you trying to prove, that democracy means something for, you should let them go.
But you won't.. You, who begged Russian Empire to protect them from same chechens, you, who began 8 wars during 20 years of independence..
You, whose economic would crash without us. You just.. idiots..
Don't bite the hand, you've been eating from.

PS Talking about Stalin, or Djugashvili by his birth name, you so keen to remember was... who could thought about that.. Georgian.. Think about that you really want to weaken yourself by helping country whose president, speaks to his own nation in English, who ran from a view of one Russian plane in to the nearest bush, who ate his tie, and who said at 7 of august that he would never use force against South Ossetia, and the next day gives command to destroy Chinval?

Before that it was ok

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..
Answer this question..

And the second...WTF.. :haha :haha :haha

It was russia who placed heavy economic sanctions againts georgia..
But even without russia can we live very well...Even better than ever..

Stalin :haha :haha

[chena]

For thouse who are sooo sensitive regarding Kosovo!
Even Serbian governemtn did not support Russia's actions, so maybe it's another reason to think when you use Kosovo so many times in your arguments.

[Sicil]

They are the part of Georgia, and we are not against to live with abkhazs and ossetians there...

People who were slained by georgian cannons would be very happy to hear that.

Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

Say that to your precious USA

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..

Of course they are.. and actually they did voted for that, those 80 percent came back to they homeland as soon as they could. I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.
Really guys I am ashamed of you.. you trying to show that your are right even if you are wrong... Where did noble Georgia nation gone? When you were replaced by american puppets?

[IamGEORGIA]

They are the part of Georgia, and we are not against to live with abkhazs and ossetians there...

People who were slained by georgian cannons would be very happy to hear that.

Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

Say that to your precious USA

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..

Of course they are.. and actually they did voted for that, those 80 percent came back to they homeland as soon as they could. I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.
Really guys I am ashamed of you.. you trying to show that your are right even if you are wrong... Where did noble Georgia nation gone? When you were replaced by american puppets?

You could not get the point i guess..
I mean from abkhazia and Ossetia there are 80 % of refugges from both regions..
They were not allowet to take part in the referendum..
So is the referendum legal? and does it shoe the true desire of Abkhazian and Osetian citizens?

----
Ne "ciri" a "Mciri"

[lashachochua]

They are the part of Georgia, and we are not against to live with abkhazs and ossetians there...

People who were slained by georgian cannons would be very happy to hear that.

Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

Say that to your precious USA

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..

Of course they are.. and actually they did voted for that, those 80 percent came back to they homeland as soon as they could. I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.
Really guys I am ashamed of you.. you trying to show that your are right even if you are wrong... Where did noble Georgia nation gone? When you were replaced by american puppets?

the noble Georgian nation is getting stronger and stronger, does russia like this or not.......It is easy to say that we say we are right when we are wrong.... Provide arguments....I can also say you are under the effect of Mongol reasoning....But this is lighter case, it is possible to find links between what mongols were doing and what russians are doing now.........By the way man Russian eminent geo-politicians were telling at the beginning of 20 century, that Russian conieseness is under mongol effect still..........So think about the difference between mongols and Russians............

[lashachochua]

They are the part of Georgia, and we are not against to live with abkhazs and ossetians there...

People who were slained by georgian cannons would be very happy to hear that.

Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

Say that to your precious USA

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..

Of course they are.. and actually they did voted for that, those 80 percent came back to they homeland as soon as they could. I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.
Really guys I am ashamed of you.. you trying to show that your are right even if you are wrong... Where did noble Georgia nation gone? When you were replaced by american puppets?

I am really impressed, are you guys so afraid of Americans, that you see them in every corner...It is terrible to have cronical fear of americans...........Pitttyyyy Russians

[Sicil]

They are the part of Georgia, and we are not against to live with abkhazs and ossetians there...

People who were slained by georgian cannons would be very happy to hear that.

Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

Say that to your precious USA

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..

Of course they are.. and actually they did voted for that, those 80 percent came back to they homeland as soon as they could. I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.
Really guys I am ashamed of you.. you trying to show that your are right even if you are wrong... Where did noble Georgia nation gone? When you were replaced by american puppets?

You could not get the point i guess..
I mean from abkhazia and Ossetia there are 80 % of refugges from both regions..
They were not allowet to take part in the referendum..
So is the referendum legal? and does it shoe the true desire of Abkhazian and Osetian citizens?

Well actually this wasn't the first referendum.. you've ignored all previous... The fact is the deed is done.. And as we all can see people from Abkhazia and Ossetia are happy.

I am really impressed, are you guys so afraid of Americans, that you see them in every corner

Well actually we doesn't care about them.. but the fact is They put their nose in every hole, and doesn't see that their economy is one feet away from falling deep down..

[IamGEORGIA]

[quote="Sicil

Well actually this wasn't the first referendum.. you've ignored all previous... The fact is the deed is done.. And as we all can see people from Abkhazia and Ossetia are happy.

.

You still did not answer...
When the referendum was held there were 80 procent of population displaced from each region..
Answer the question: Does this referendum show the true desire of the population?
Yes or No?
Im not interested now in your essays, just YES OR NO?

[lashachochua]

Just these fucking Russians should stop to poke its nose into other countries business.......

Say that to your precious USA

Look..if you have any sence of logics, and if you can think a bit, answer this simple question:
When referendum was held, 80 % of population from that regions were displaced, and are refuugess..
Whay are not we asking them about opininion....They are "citizens" of that region..

Of course they are.. and actually they did voted for that, those 80 percent came back to they homeland as soon as they could. I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.
Really guys I am ashamed of you.. you trying to show that your are right even if you are wrong... Where did noble Georgia nation gone? When you were replaced by american puppets?[/quote]


You could not get the point i guess..
I mean from abkhazia and Ossetia there are 80 % of refugges from both regions..
They were not allowet to take part in the referendum..
So is the referendum legal? and does it shoe the true desire of Abkhazian and Osetian citizens?[/quote]
Well actually this wasn't the first referendum.. you've ignored all previous... The fact is the deed is done.. And as we all can see people from Abkhazia and Ossetia are happy.

I am really impressed, are you guys so afraid of Americans, that you see them in every corner

Well actually we doesn't care about them.. but the fact is They put their nose in every hole, and doesn't see that their economy is one feet away from falling deep down..[/quote]

:haha :haha :haha Do you know what are you telling?... By the way if the USA Economy will collapse beleive me even under the higher oil prices, russian will not manage to survive....You should not dream about it...The global economy is something different from global politics, economic ties of countries Economies are too much connected to one another, Subprime crises for example...... So do not pray for that the USA Economy to collapse, by the way there is not solid signs for that.... Still the USA is the first innovator in the world, the largest amount of Businesses is created in USA and 25 % of World GDP comes on USA...So you are far from your dream to come true....But Russian Economy can be crashed.......12 bln short run investment run from the Russia in this days, stock prices decreased by 5 % these days...So look out, while battling with Georgians, your Economy is getting down and down, also oil price is going down........

[Giovane]

Lasha, don't you tired to wright bullshit at this forum???? How much does pay you georgian government????
I should tell you, that oil's prices will never be less 100$ Moreover, Russia has a hure various resources such as fish, forest, aluminium,nickel (by the way, russian company Nornikes-is the bigest company in this specialisation), weapons and so on.Also Russia has special fund. In the result, Russian economy exceeds USA economy, because by the way USA is the biggest debtor...

P.S. Reading Lasha's posts and other georgians that always include lies, I remembered some words of Russia wrighter Sergey Dovlatov, he wrought it in the USSR in 70's, that GEORGIANS CAN NOT BE HONEST PERSONS....

[Yalta1945]

Yesterday I watched on Russian TV people celebrate their independence day in Sukhumi and Tskhinvali. They would not understand if you tell them the decision made by Russian president Medvedev is regrettable. Do they care of the people whom they turned into refugees? Do they realize how many of the inhabitants of Abkhazia and South Ossetia were deprived of their say?
Some of them are frankly unaware of what was going on in Georgia because there is strong self-censorship in Russian media system, which is set up, controlled and manipulated by the former KGB operatives.
“One western journalist was killed”, reports some Russian TV channel. But they do not show what I saw on TV many times: people killed and wounded by a bomb dropped from the Russian airplane into the very centre of Gori – this is the place where they murdered a Dutch journalist which a Russian TV channel referred to. Probably, if they showed what I saw - their airplane going over the city and dropping bombs – they would make you guess it was a Georgian airplane. The woman who spent terrible days under shelling and bombing in Tskhinvali tells her story of her son having been most scared of the planes that bombed them. But whose planes were they?
They would not understand that Russia is an aggressor. Some would probably like to believe that all these scenes of targeting people and civilian objects in Georgia were created by Hollywood. Will they ever ask themselves: but who had been shooting at Georgian villages every night before the conflict went too far? Why?

[lashachochua]

Lasha, don't you tired to wright bullshit at this forum???? How much does pay you georgian government????
I should tell you, that oil's prices will never be less 100$ Moreover, Russia has a hure various resources such as fish, forest, aluminium,nickel (by the way, russian company Nornikes-is the bigest company in this specialisation), weapons and so on.Also Russia has special fund. In the result, Russian economy exceeds USA economy, because by the way USA is the biggest debtor...

P.S. Reading Lasha's posts and other georgians that always include lies, I remembered some words of Russia wrighter Sergey Dovlatov, he wrought it in the USSR in 70's, that GEORGIANS CAN NOT BE HONEST PERSONS....

I was payed more than the whole russian economy :haha :haha :haha what is a lie, that USA GDP is 25% of world GDP, that most inovations are created in USA, that most businesses are still opened in USA....Go and see any stastical bulletin of IMF, WB or any organization which collects statistics....What about oil price, I am sorry I am not able to make forecasts....By the way how you know that oil price will not go down 100 dollar, have you ever heard about inflation?....purchasing power of money.... :haha :haha :haha you think 100 dollar today is the same as 100 dollar even tomorrow....."Russian economy exceeds USA economy, because by the way USA is the biggest debtor"...where you found this information...Do you know that national debt is a stock and GDP is a flow....The power of county is managed by GDP, how much new product and services is created during the year.......Ask any economist and all of them will tell you, that what you said is bullshit, not what I said.....By the way untrusted government ca not be a debter. In Economics debt is not consedered a problem, while servicing of it is not a problem....There is no a debt problem in USA...You need some basic knowledge in economics to distinguish stock variable from flow variable....So you stop bullshitting here....Do not you notice russians, that you are trying to show that you are very clever in everything geopolitics, economics, thanks god you have not touched geoeconomics...but you do not understand the basics in the field....Giovane do you know what is GDP???.........
I am not tired to write as much as possible just in order not to make you think that you are clever....I mean russians in this forum........I have many very clever russians.....what the hell did happen with you?.....
No knowledge in economics, no knowledge in geopolitics.....what are you studying in the universities...It is not shamefull not to have knowledge, but when you do not have it, you should not comment...Who said that Russia does not have resources, just what you are missing is interprenership, what shumpeter called the knowledge how to use resources efectively in order to produce goods that are in need.......

[lashachochua]

Lasha, don't you tired to wright bullshit at this forum???? How much does pay you georgian government????
I should tell you, that oil's prices will never be less 100$ Moreover, Russia has a hure various resources such as fish, forest, aluminium,nickel (by the way, russian company Nornikes-is the bigest company in this specialisation), weapons and so on.Also Russia has special fund. In the result, Russian economy exceeds USA economy, because by the way USA is the biggest debtor...

P.S. Reading Lasha's posts and other georgians that always include lies, I remembered some words of Russia wrighter Sergey Dovlatov, he wrought it in the USSR in 70's, that GEORGIANS CAN NOT BE HONEST PERSONS....

Giobane you once more reminded me what great russian classics wrote about russians. I think it is one more time the right place to provide their sayings:

[u]"Народ который блуждает по Европе и ищет что можно разрушить, уничтожить только ради развлечения." Достоевский
" Не народ ,а скотина, хам, дикая орда, душегубов и злодеев." Булгаков
"Наиважнейшею приметою удачи русского народа есть его садистская жестокость". Горький
"Русский есть наибольший и наинаглейший лгун во всем свете". Тургенев
"Народ, что ненавидит волю, обожает рабство, любит цепи на своих руках и ногах, грязный физически и морально...готовый в любой момент угнетать все и вся". Шмелев
"Народ равнодушный до наименьшей обязанности, до наименьшей справедливости, до наименьшей правды, народ, что не признает человеческое достоинство, что целиком не признает ни свободного человека ,ни свободной мысли". А.С. ПУШКИН[/u].

[lashachochua]

Yesterday I watched on Russian TV people celebrate their independence day in Sukhumi and Tskhinvali. They would not understand if you tell them the decision made by Russian president Medvedev is regrettable. Do they care of the people whom they turned into refugees? Do they realize how many of the inhabitants of Abkhazia and South Ossetia were deprived of their say?
Some of them are frankly unaware of what was going on in Georgia because there is strong self-censorship in Russian media system, which is set up, controlled and manipulated by the former KGB operatives.
“One western journalist was killed”, reports some Russian TV channel. But they do not show what I saw on TV many times: people killed and wounded by a bomb dropped from the Russian airplane into the very centre of Gori – this is the place where they murdered a Dutch journalist which a Russian TV channel referred to. Probably, if they showed what I saw - their airplane going over the city and dropping bombs – they would make you guess it was a Georgian airplane. The woman who spent terrible days under shelling and bombing in Tskhinvali tells her story of her son having been most scared of the planes that bombed them. But whose planes were they?
They would not understand that Russia is an aggressor. Some would probably like to believe that all these scenes of targeting people and civilian objects in Georgia were created by Hollywood. Will they ever ask themselves: but who had been shooting at Georgian villages every night before the conflict went too far? Why?

If most of russians beleive that they did right things, what do you think who will tell these people what really is happenning? Russians here blame me in insult....But I really do not understand why, if you have read all comments that you will see that I insulted them after they said nasty things about georgian soldiers...This is reallity, how russians debate in general here......I am so sorry about it....

[Yalta1945]

I've been in Chechnya myself, and as far as I could see, most people are happy there.

Did you also try to express your condolences to the families of those who did not want to be happy? Or you hope no such families are left in Chechnya?

[Giovane]

My dear georgian frend, when I wrote about your lies I hadn't mean your statistiks data. I means that common information that you wright here last 2 days (about Ossetia conflict, about Chechen conflict and so on)
And I'm sincerely sorry that you spend your time for posting economic information in last post.
If you know Demand causes of Supply, And if Quantity demand is bigger that Quantity Supply, Sellers would rice prices. This axiom is applicability on oil market... Nowdays America is 1 consumer of oil (2 is China).
Nowdays humanity has got increasing demand on oil, and ,logicaly , nothing in medium-term period can't decrease prices. Of course, such thing as invention of oil analoug might decrease the prices. But in medium-term period we can't get such situation.
But as I think USA want to get weak dollar:
1) Their debt will decrease
2)Oil price will also decrease
But possible conflict with Iran can rise oil prices at 200-300 etc
And also you said 'bout inflation (100$ today-100$) I should tell you that price it's a such changing substance, and Prices always will changes. So, I can do a withdraval, you haven't basikaly knowledge of economics, and geopolitics,my friend

P.S. Check it, I think you will be suprised
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[Giovane]

Giobane you once more reminded me what great russian classics wrote about russians. I think it is one more time the right place to provide their sayings:

[u]"Народ который блуждает по Европе и ищет что можно разрушить, уничтожить только ради развлечения." Достоевский
" Не народ ,а скотина, хам, дикая орда, душегубов и злодеев." Булгаков
"Наиважнейшею приметою удачи русского народа есть его садистская жестокость". Горький
"Русский есть наибольший и наинаглейший лгун во всем свете". Тургенев
"Народ, что ненавидит волю, обожает рабство, любит цепи на своих руках и ногах, грязный физически и морально...готовый в любой момент угнетать все и вся". Шмелев
"Народ равнодушный до наименьшей обязанности, до наименьшей справедливости, до наименьшей правды, народ, что не признает человеческое достоинство, что целиком не признает ни свободного человека ,ни свободной мысли". А.С. ПУШКИН[/u].

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Can you tell me sources of this quotation????
So, it's a very strange, that an ordinary georgian man know by heart some quotation of russian wrighters that defaming Russian people in enormous number . It's very strange...

Also your quotations are tacken out of context.
As I said give me the sources.

[lashachochua]

My dear georgian frend, when I wrote about your lies I hadn't mean your statistiks data. I means that common information that you wright here last 2 days (about Ossetia conflict, about Chechen conflict and so on)
And I'm sincerely sorry that you spend your time for posting economic information in last post.
If you know Demand causes of Supply, And if Quantity demand is bigger that Quantity Supply, Sellers would rice prices. This axiom is applicability on oil market... Nowdays America is 1 consumer of oil (2 is China).
Nowdays humanity has got increasing demand on oil, and ,logicaly , nothing in medium-term period can't decrease prices. Of course, such thing as invention of oil analoug might decrease the prices. But in medium-term period we can't get such situation.
But as I think USA want to get weak dollar:
1) Their debt will decrease
2)Oil price will also decrease
But possible conflict with Iran can rise oil prices at 200-300 etcAnd also you said 'bout inflation (100$ today-100$) I should tell you that price it's a such changing substance, and Prices always will changes. So, I can do a withdraval, you haven't basikaly knowledge of economics, and geopolitics,my friendP.S. Check it, I think you will be suprised
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My dear friend, I am not reading about economics in wikipedia, about national debts I am reading scientific working papers...What you have told about prices I could not manage to understand....what about oil prices to reach 200-300 dollar, it is possible who knows, but beleive me even very sceptic analysts does not make such prognosis, the higher price named was 200 dollar...but we see it is falling, what do you think after great two oil shocks, how countries decrease their dependency on oil, something like tah can gappen and not in long future...Anyway all world reserves of oil can supply the world till 2050... If you knwo the Rome Club, you can read their works....One more thing I told you that while country is OK with servicing its debt, national debt is not a problem...No any world know economist will admitt the fact that the USA is on the range of National Debt Crisis. this is stupid conclusion....Wikipedia is not the best source for analysing economic issues on scientific level....I have MA degree in economics from western university and now following Phd in economics, and constructed many mathematical models of such people like you, how you are making economic desicions....So Do not warry about my basics in economics....I am not on the level of Supply and Demand, these are just very introductory concepts....If you know how economic models work, you will understand me....By the way I am working on the theory of Unified Economic growth, trying to explaing the growth process from pre-indsutrial world to modern times....

[Yalta1945]

if you have read all comments that you will see that I insulted them after they said nasty things about georgian soldiers...This is reallity, how russians debate in general here......I am so sorry about it....

Probably, there are things which are just too nasty for us to accept…
I have more questions than answers at this moment.
Russian Federation seems to take the whole regions as their hostages in Caucasus… Maybe, they count on spiralling the hatred, your wish to revenge?
In the long run, Russia will lose. I shall not be surprised if next century Siberia joins the Greater China that will outperform Russia in many aspects, but Moscow will become just a provincial centre within the Union of Arctic People. History sometimes is not tragic only – it might be quite funny.

[lashachochua]

Giobane you once more reminded me what great russian classics wrote about russians. I think it is one more time the right place to provide their sayings:

[u]"Народ который блуждает по Европе и ищет что можно разрушить, уничтожить только ради развлечения." Достоевский
" Не народ ,а скотина, хам, дикая орда, душегубов и злодеев." Булгаков
"Наиважнейшею приметою удачи русского народа есть его садистская жестокость". Горький
"Русский есть наибольший и наинаглейший лгун во всем свете". Тургенев
"Народ, что ненавидит волю, обожает рабство, любит цепи на своих руках и ногах, грязный физически и морально...готовый в любой момент угнетать все и вся". Шмелев
"Народ равнодушный до наименьшей обязанности, до наименьшей справедливости, до наименьшей правды, народ, что не признает человеческое достоинство, что целиком не признает ни свободного человека ,ни свободной мысли". А.С. ПУШКИН[/u].

Can you tell me sources of this quotation????
So, it's a very strange, that an ordinary georgian man know by heart some quotation of russian wrighters that defaming Russian people in enormous number . It's very strange...

Also your quotations are tacken out of context.
As I said give me the sources.[/quote]

Wise question....But I can not help you this time just for very simple reason, it is banned here to enter russian sites....Yes I know it is not good job in this case and against my right to enter where I want to enter....But I can offer you very simple way, just copy and paste in google search, you will definately find the sources..........