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Quote:Can you show me this support?IN offical documents, resolutions and some another documents?
Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann - new UN General Assembly president clearly told, that Georgia violated UN Устав ( in eng. - regulations, statutes, charter, articles of association, constitution, rules, service regulations) by invading south ossetia.
If for you it is just private opinion of nicaraguan sandinist - then whole US support to Georgia is just private opinion of oildigger from Texas
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The words of that man definitely reflects the opinion of his Sandinista government. Otherwise, I've never heard about any vote in the UN condemning or approving any steps of any country in the current crisis. If I'm wrong and that topic was disscussed, voted and the Assembly Chairman given a task to announce worldwide the decision, I'll take my words back
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Newrussian town Wrote:No problem Eka. Try to visit SCO site, in the last session they signed some documents about it. In this documents they said that Georgia started the war and Russia made everything right. Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. But there is not much information about results of this meetings. So may be in the co-links you may find the final and last resolution about this crysis. If you wounder to read this docs.. I have simply seen this press-conference by TV.  And see... if I can't find it directly it doesn't meance that this docs. was not signed No its problem, because there are no any offical documents which stated that China supports Russias presidents deccission. This decission was not backed by China. The reason is Tibet problem, but as i understand Russia continious pressure ower her alleys in East and trys to receive the steps which will approve there actions and agression in Georgia. My personal vision is that it will be very difficult.I visiterd SHO site and the result of it is here on this forum. You can search for the document I put here, so i will not do it again. In this document there is not even 1 word about backing Russias intentions and agression toward Georgia, so for me the official documents are very important.Press conf in Russian media with ria novostis are not trastfyll for no one in the world. . Thats what is important for you - analize the information from your officials, media and search yourself for truth. Your problem is that you are beliving to your propaganda and than when you find different information or analize you suppose that its your enamyes intensions.
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Eka Wrote:No its problem, because there are no any offical documents which stated that China supports Russias presidents deccission. This decission was not backed by China. The reason is Tibet problem, but as i understand Russia continious pressure ower her alleys in East and trys to receive the steps which will approve there actions and agression in Georgia. My personal vision is that it will be very difficult.I visiterd SHO site and the result of it is here on this forum. You can search for the document I put here, so i will not do it again. In this document there is not even 1 word about backing Russias intentions and agression toward Georgia, so for me the official documents are very important.Press conf in Russian media with ria novostis are not trastfyll for no one in the world. . Thats what is important for you - analize the information from your officials, media and search yourself for truth. Your problem is that you are beliving to your propaganda and than when you find different information or analize you suppose that its your enamyes intensions.
And what support did you recieved? . Recognition of Russia is good enough. We are supporting by deeds. And your precios EU garanteed that you wont use force against Osetia and Abkchazia. Even without tons of support one can have what he wants.
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I agree with SID, we have taken what we want, and nobody did nothing, becouse EU is depended from our oil and gas, and USA gave to us nothing since USSR crush, so they can nothing to take back
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Newrussian town Wrote:I agree with SID, we have taken what we want, and nobody did nothing, becouse EU is depended from our oil and gas, and USA gave to us nothing since USSR crush, so they can nothing to take back I suppose it’s a little bit childish argument. USA gave you good oil prices that gave you economical growth. Now USA will open it oil and gas in Alaska and ocean shelf and it will ruin down oil prices in world. If you remember something like this happened before USSR fell down. So after this Russia will use its billions some period of time and then will be fully dependent on world oil prices. Of course some speculations with prices will have place. So your arguments about Russia “independent economical growth and prosperity” is propaganda and nothing more. World was looking toward Russia with hope, that in case of economical growth it will turn to democratic country, but last events and not only them represents that not “ cold war” but some kind of sanctions must take place. One of them is oil prices, which will ruin Russia Empire as USSR was ruined with economical sanctions as well.
“We have taken what we want “– So if you want 2 pieces of land which was never Russian and will not be – it’s your choice. Those 2 pieces of armed and poor lands will duplicate your problems in Caucasia and your government knows this very well. The recognition will give them nothing bur problems. Same happened in Cyprus. Turkish part is very different from Greek part. And people there understand after years that to be recognized by only one side but not by whole world does not bring happiness and prosperity. So investments there will not be legal and nothing that brings these 2 provinces to wealth and happiness will happened there.
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Eka Wrote:Newrussian town Wrote:I agree with SID, we have taken what we want, and nobody did nothing, becouse EU is depended from our oil and gas, and USA gave to us nothing since USSR crush, so they can nothing to take back I suppose it’s a little bit childish argument. USA gave you good oil prices that gave you economical growth. Now USA will open it oil and gas in Alaska and ocean shelf and it will ruin down oil prices in world. If you remember something like this happened before USSR fell down. So after this Russia will use its billions some period of time and then will be fully dependent on world oil prices. Of course some speculations with prices will have place. So your arguments about Russia “independent economical growth and prosperity” is propaganda and nothing more. World was looking toward Russia with hope, that in case of economical growth it will turn to democratic country, but last events and not only them represents that not “ cold war” but some kind of sanctions must take place. One of them is oil prices, which will ruin Russia Empire as USSR was ruined with economical sanctions as well.
“We have taken what we want “– So if you want 2 pieces of land which was never Russian and will not be – it’s your choice. Those 2 pieces of armed and poor lands will duplicate your problems in Caucasia and your government knows this very well. The recognition will give them nothing bur problems. Same happened in Cyprus. Turkish part is very different from Greek part. And people there understand after years that to be recognized by only one side but not by whole world does not bring happiness and prosperity. So investments there will not be legal and nothing that brings these 2 provinces to wealth and happiness will happened there. At the moment USA can't do anything. Its market is living probably the worst times ever.
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M.Helen Wrote:At the moment USA can't do anything. Its market is living probably the worst times ever. And who is the winner out of that? :quoi
What about other markets and commodity prices?
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The world looks on Russia with hope. I think so too. It is voices of countries that you called as " axis of evil".
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Eka Wrote:Newrussian town Wrote:I agree with SID, we have taken what we want, and nobody did nothing, becouse EU is depended from our oil and gas, and USA gave to us nothing since USSR crush, so they can nothing to take back I suppose it’s a little bit childish argument. USA gave you good oil prices that gave you economical growth. Now USA will open it oil and gas in Alaska and ocean shelf and it will ruin down oil prices in world. If you remember something like this happened before USSR fell down. So after this Russia will use its billions some period of time and then will be fully dependent on world oil prices. Of course some speculations with prices will have place. So your arguments about Russia “independent economical growth and prosperity” is propaganda and nothing more. World was looking toward Russia with hope, that in case of economical growth it will turn to democratic country, but last events and not only them represents that not “ cold war” but some kind of sanctions must take place. One of them is oil prices, which will ruin Russia Empire as USSR was ruined with economical sanctions as well.
“We have taken what we want “– So if you want 2 pieces of land which was never Russian and will not be – it’s your choice. Those 2 pieces of armed and poor lands will duplicate your problems in Caucasia and your government knows this very well. The recognition will give them nothing bur problems. Same happened in Cyprus. Turkish part is very different from Greek part. And people there understand after years that to be recognized by only one side but not by whole world does not bring happiness and prosperity. So investments there will not be legal and nothing that brings these 2 provinces to wealth and happiness will happened there.
Dont make me lough. We lived without high oil prices before and we can live if they fall. And do not think that west done us much favors, they done everything to keep us weak we became as we are dispite not becouse of them. And not only West nead oil and gas mind you.
We got what we want and if you fail to see what we wanted its your problem.
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" Dont make me lough. We lived without high oil prices before and we can live if they fall. And do not think that west done us much favors, they done everything to keep us weak we became as we are dispite not becouse of them. And not only West nead oil and gas mind you.
We got what we want and if you fail to see what we wanted its your problem."
I am not very storng in economics, but after evaluation of situation in internet and some sxperts opinion this kind of situation seems to be more logic. Its your choice to see the severity of situation or not to see it.
At last I want to wish you with all hart ( and not only you) to go on vacations only to Abxazia and SO aND never to another placeS. It seems that you are very happy with those two full of armes regions. HAVE A NICE TIME THERE!!
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Thank you Eka. We will,for sure. And spetial for you the old russian words-"Who will come to us with a sword, will die from the sword"- Alexandr Nevsky the Ice battle. 300 years we tryed to became a part of Europe, but you have never thought that we are equal with you. Glory and Honour for Mother Russia!!!! How it was, oh yes i remembered- UUUUUrrraaaa!!!!
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Eka Wrote:Of course without me Sid, but with armed terorists and ruined infrastructure.Dont think that Lujkovs few millions will be helpful for Abx. and SO.
Parhaps your artilery and tanks were thear to create proper place? Suitable for Saakashvili, how they called it: clear field or something like that.
All help will be helpfull for them.
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Newrussian town Wrote:The world looks on Russia with hope. I think so too. It is voices of countries that you called as " axis of evil". You invite the US to be your enemy. Hm...
Let them argue with you by words of C.Rice said yesterday:
"Russia's leaders will not accomplish their primary war aim of removing Georgia's government. And our strategic goal now is to make it clear to Russia's leaders that their choices are putting Russia on a one-way path to self-imposed isolation and international irrelevance."
Do you really see it to be a bluff? Do you imagine U.S. Secretary of State is able to talk this way without facts at the background?
"A pat on the back from Daniel Ortega and Hamas is hardly a diplomatic triumph. "
Where is your "world"?
Is bullying your neighbours a good policy to make the world look on you with hope? Probably you ought to do something quite different to make others hope on you.
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SiD Wrote:Dont make me lough. We lived without high oil prices before and we can live if they fall. This spring I took a calculator and multiplied the oil price per barrel at the average quantity of oil barrels I knew Russia produced a day. Then I compared it with the same figure some years ago during Yeltsin’s period in power. The difference was staggering, especially if you then compare how much difference it made per year. I just wondered why every Russian citizen was not rich yet. Seemingly, it was because Russia had too many billionaires and millionaires. According to Forbes’ data which I read in March, the biggest number of billionaires lived in Moscow – 74, and New York had fewer – 71. I heard Russians themselves say it was just oil and gas that made them richer.
Check it yourself: 1992-2000 crude oil prices were between 10 and 30$ per barrel. Rouble has been quite stable since 2000, generally a bit strengthening: ranging between 27 and 32 per dollar in 2000-2004, and 23-29 since 2005, peaking this summer. Isn’t it just a huge difference: 10-30$ for 9 years per barrel compared to 16-40 $ for 3 years (2001-2003), then 31.5-56 $ in 2004, 41-71 $ in 2005, 57-78 $ in 2006, and finally skyrocketing from 51 $ in January 2007 to almost 150 $ in July 2008?
While Russian oil sector has rapidly deteriorated during the 1990s (enormous losses from pipeline bursts and the idling of productive wells) and there has been a massive decline in production during that time, since 2000 Russian oil production has been increasing steadily: from approximately 182.5 million barrels per month to 300 million. In 2007 Russia was able to produce up to 10 million barrels a day.
Oil and gas account for 50% of Russian budget revenues and 65% of its exports. The share of oil and gas in Russia's gross domestic product is said to have more than doubled since 1999 and now stands at above 30%.
(IMF and World Bank suggest that in 2005 the oil and gas sector accounted for 30% of all foreign direct investment (FDI) in the country.)
Its worth again to turn an attention to some aspect the US Secretary of State Rice referred to yesterday: Russia is also using oil and gas as a weapon. But I don’t think everyone is going just to calm down soon and let Russia go on as usual if Russia is becoming “increasingly authoritarian at home and aggressive abroad" (Rice). I agree on how she put it:
"If Russia ever wants to be more than just an energy supplier, its leaders have to recognize a hard truth: Russia depends on the world for its success, and it cannot change that."
But maybe Russia wants to return to its "heroic" past when it was "Upper Volta with Rockets"?
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Quote:This spring I took a calculator and multiplied the oil price per barrel at the average quantity of oil barrels I knew Russia produced a day. Then I compared it with the same figure some years ago during Yeltsin’s period in power. The difference was staggering, especially if you then compare how much difference it made per year. I just wondered why every Russian citizen was not rich yet. Seemingly, it was because Russia had too many billionaires and millionaires. According to Forbes’ data which I read in March, the biggest number of billionaires lived in Moscow – 74, and New York had fewer – 71. I heard Russians themselves say it was just oil and gas that made them richer.
Check it yourself: 1992-2000 crude oil prices were between 10 and 30$ per barrel. Rouble has been quite stable since 2000, generally a bit strengthening: ranging between 27 and 32 per dollar in 2000-2004, and 23-29 since 2005, peaking this summer. Isn’t it just a huge difference: 10-30$ for 9 years per barrel compared to 16-40 $ for 3 years (2001-2003), then 31.5-56 $ in 2004, 41-71 $ in 2005, 57-78 $ in 2006, and finally skyrocketing from 51 $ in January 2007 to almost 150 $ in July 2008?
While Russian oil sector has rapidly deteriorated during the 1990s (enormous losses from pipeline bursts and the idling of productive wells) and there has been a massive decline in production during that time, since 2000 Russian oil production has been increasing steadily: from approximately 182.5 million barrels per month to 300 million. In 2007 Russia was able to produce up to 10 million barrels a day.
Oil and gas account for 50% of Russian budget revenues and 65% of its exports. The share of oil and gas in Russia's gross domestic product is said to have more than doubled since 1999 and now stands at above 30%.
(IMF and World Bank suggest that in 2005 the oil and gas sector accounted for 30% of all foreign direct investment (FDI) in the country.)
Its worth again to turn an attention to some aspect the US Secretary of State Rice referred to yesterday: Russia is also using oil and gas as a weapon. But I don’t think everyone is going just to calm down soon and let Russia go on as usual if Russia is becoming “increasingly authoritarian at home and aggressive abroad" (Rice). I agree on how she put it:
"If Russia ever wants to be more than just an energy supplier, its leaders have to recognize a hard truth: Russia depends on the world for its success, and it cannot change that."
But maybe Russia wants to return to its "heroic" past when it was "Upper Volta with Rockets"?
Thats funny for me to read all anti-russian sentences, because they all have just only one thougt - " If you,russians, will do what you want - you will be suffering economic consequenses". Actually this thougts can pops up only in the pro-western mind. Because for westerners most important things - money. But, you know, guys, that is your mental limitation. When russians feel, that they are right - they dont care about economic consequenses. At all.
That is what differentiated russians from westerners. Dont you understand, that Russians very much spirited people. They dont care so much about wealth. That is why communism get base in Russia.It was spiritual experiment, very bad experiment. But you can very clearly see - that russians very diffrent from westerners.
So, we dont care about economic consequenses, isolation and all kind of sanctions. We are strong by spirit, and you have to admitt ,that for 70 years whole world was affreid of "Upper Volta with Rockets"
That is why Russia will allways play important role in the world - bad or good.But important. Because we dont care to die or to have economic consequenses if we feel that we are right. You, georgians and baltics people will never play such important role, because for you your wealth, life and comfort much more important, then spiritual things. That is why you allways was dependent, conquerd and guided by some others countrys. Lets admitt this fact frankly.
And you know, why America is playng wery important role in the world? Because America use to be very religious country. Before 1960 average american was ready to die or to have any economic consequenses for the sake of God. That is not the case now. But still America is great, because of forefathers merit.
But what can I say about Georgians? You, guys, not ready to die for the great cause. Look at yor army, you should fight with russian occupant, but not run away from them. Frankly. Its kind of pity - your army left tonns of weapon and run, instead of use this weapon against occupants. Do not take it personal - its just the matter of facts
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Yalta1945 Wrote:Newrussian town Wrote:The world looks on Russia with hope. I think so too. It is voices of countries that you called as " axis of evil". You invite the US to be your enemy. Hm...
Let them argue with you by words of C.Rice said yesterday:
"Russia's leaders will not accomplish their primary war aim of removing Georgia's government. And our strategic goal now is to make it clear to Russia's leaders that their choices are putting Russia on a one-way path to self-imposed isolation and international irrelevance."
Do you really see it to be a bluff? Do you imagine U.S. Secretary of State is able to talk this way without facts at the background?
"A pat on the back from Daniel Ortega and Hamas is hardly a diplomatic triumph. "
Where is your "world"?
Is bullying your neighbours a good policy to make the world look on you with hope? Probably you ought to do something quite different to make others hope on you.
She can say wanether she wants there is nothing new. Elections are close you know.
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SiD Wrote:Yalta1945 Wrote:Newrussian town Wrote:The world looks on Russia with hope. I think so too. It is voices of countries that you called as " axis of evil". You invite the US to be your enemy. Hm...
Let them argue with you by words of C.Rice said yesterday:
"Russia's leaders will not accomplish their primary war aim of removing Georgia's government. And our strategic goal now is to make it clear to Russia's leaders that their choices are putting Russia on a one-way path to self-imposed isolation and international irrelevance."
Do you really see it to be a bluff? Do you imagine U.S. Secretary of State is able to talk this way without facts at the background?
"A pat on the back from Daniel Ortega and Hamas is hardly a diplomatic triumph. "
Where is your "world"?
Is bullying your neighbours a good policy to make the world look on you with hope? Probably you ought to do something quite different to make others hope on you.
She can say wanether she wants there is nothing new. Elections are close you know. Quote:from "Amelie":
Mister, the fool looks at a finger that points at the sky
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Quote:Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia?
On August 7th, following repeated violations of the ceasefire in South Ossetia, including the shelling of Georgian villages, the Georgian government launched a major military operation into Tskhinvali and other areas of the separatist region. Regrettably, several Russian peacekeepers were killed in the fighting.
Secretary Condoleezza Rice
September 18, 2008
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guys, I just wanted to share a fact I am aware about.
You should know, and you probably do know, that penetrating into Georgia is not so easy. So, there is only one way to get into South Ossetia, one tunnel in the mountains. Russian forces couldn't get there so fast, they probably knew Georgia is going to attack and expected this counter-attack operation.
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Lenus Wrote:Quote:Who started the war in S.Ossetia: Georgia or Russia?
On August 7th, following repeated violations of the ceasefire in South Ossetia, including the shelling of Georgian villages, the Georgian government launched a major military operation into Tskhinvali and other areas of the separatist region. Regrettably, several Russian peacekeepers were killed in the fighting.
Secretary Condoleezza Rice
September 18, 2008
Parhaps you should try to find out if she approves georgian actions. And word several. More than enough for me.
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Look at this, how responsible politics admitt harsh reality
"And Powell, who served President Bush from 2001-2005, sought to allay suspicions that Russia was turning into a second Soviet Union, even though it acted "brutally" in its conflict last month with Georgia.
It was "foolhardy," he said, for Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to "light a match" with a military operation in South Ossetia to forcibly reassert is authority over the breakaway region."
"foolhardy" means "foolishly adventurous and bold"
This Colin Powells expression match Medvedevs expression : "идиотская выходка" regarding Saakashvili action in South Ossetia
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