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Russia: The Awakening
#76
Dear Europeans,

Don`t blame Russia. They lost a way of life, an `ism, and an Empire all at the same time. The humiliation sits deep, and they need time to work through it. They`ve got issues, give them a break. So give them what they want - Everything They Want - and then they`ll go home. Heck, if you wait long enough they`ll already be at home... In Your Home.
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#77
serioja Wrote:So give them what they want - Everything They Want - and then they`ll go home. Heck, if you wait long enough they`ll already be at home... In Your Home.

same words refer to G.W. Bush
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#78
maxdedikov Wrote:Dear Friends,

It's funny to watch you all divert onto the oldest topic of the jews, that is discussing jews.

The point here is merely whether the West wants to recognize the newly built role of Russia as the global superpower shouldering off the States off their throne or not? Hence all the indignation and affected fury of Europe.

Russia should keep its superpower spices home, not making wars and killing people, that is what Europe is afraid of, and it's definitely not a case envy here..
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#79
Europeans are very naive. They believe to Georgian actor-government. When at least Europeans will open their eyes?
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#80
A good percentage of the current European countries are ex-soviet states, some, like Poland, Romania, Czech Republic are current members of the European Union. Georgia is an ex-state also, what Europe is saying, is that it is afraid of its integrity and the stability of their independence. They are not naive or pro American they are trying to build peace in the world.
Tell me why Russia attacked other regions of Georgia outside the conflict zone, is that right? To invade a country on the simple basis that some citizens have a double citizenship. how many people around the globe have more than one citizenship, shall we try to start a World War?
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#81
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and you speak about democracy, freedom, etc?
And you defend rights of your own citizens? :quoi
This is madness!
Madness???
This is GEORGIAA!!!

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Я Грузин, И пусть навеки враг запомнит, Что лишь тогда встаем мы на колени, когда целуем Грузинский флаг...
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#82
IamGEORGIA Wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7590719.stm

and you speak about democracy, freedom, etc?
And you defend rights of your own citizens? :quoi

And what? Yes, the death is always an tradegy.
But you said about democracy. So, do you now smth 'bout democracy???? Maybe georgia has got democracy?
Tell me 'bout Zhvania death or about racing of demostrations by Saakashvili.
Maybe america has got democracy? Maybe american news are the most independent???? When leading man always interrupt osetian girl. It's an democracy????
So, I wanna to give you advice. Read a book wrighting by Rober Michell that calling The iron law of oligarchy... I think your knowledge 'bout democracy will became more wider....
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#83
Giovane Wrote:But you said about democracy. So, do you now smth 'bout democracy???? Maybe georgia has got democracy?
Tell me 'bout Zhvania death or about racing of demostrations by Saakashvili.
Maybe america has got democracy? Maybe american news are the most independent???? When leading man always interrupt osetian girl. It's an democracy????
So, I wanna to give you advice. Read a book wrighting by Rober Michell that calling The iron law of oligarchy... I think your knowledge 'bout democracy will became more wider....

you're saying the truth Giovane. I was disappointed by the American channel when the 12-year old girl was interrupted for not saying the truth.
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#84
Thanx Ben. The position of american & british news was really shoking. More rusofobian position hardly imagine... And I think such actions american and british news lost their reputation as honoust and independent....
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#85
unfortunately, that case didn't had an adequate influence on people from the EU and USA. I wish several things like that happen so that the truth is revealed.
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#86
You'r absolutelly right...
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#87
Giovane Wrote:Thanx Ben. The position of american & british news was really shoking. More rusofobian position hardly imagine... And I think such actions american and british news lost their reputation as honoust and independent....

yes yes..
They will lost it..the whole world will lost this reputation a dn Russian news agencies will be the only independent and honest media in the world...(end of tale)


Honest russian journalist here..exclusively for you..

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This is madness!
Madness???
This is GEORGIAA!!!

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Я Грузин, И пусть навеки враг запомнит, Что лишь тогда встаем мы на колени, когда целуем Грузинский флаг...
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#88
IamGEORGIA Wrote:
Giovane Wrote:Thanx Ben. The position of american & british news was really shoking. More rusofobian position hardly imagine... And I think such actions american and british news lost their reputation as honoust and independent....

yes yes..
They will lost it..the whole world will lost this reputation a dn Russian news agencies will be the only independent and honest media in the world...(end of tale)


Honest russian journalist here..exclusively for you..

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You shows a 'wonders' of logikal thinking.....
Nobody tell that russian journalist are honest. You as usuall nothing read. Maybe I should write in Russian???
And your link is ambivalent.... Maybe this journalist is very frightened and every distant shots turned him in panic????
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#89
Giovane Wrote:
IamGEORGIA Wrote:
Giovane Wrote:Thanx Ben. The position of american & british news was really shoking. More rusofobian position hardly imagine... And I think such actions american and british news lost their reputation as honoust and independent....

yes yes..
They will lost it..the whole world will lost this reputation a dn Russian news agencies will be the only independent and honest media in the world...(end of tale)


Honest russian journalist here..exclusively for you..

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd4H_TRynU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd4H_TRynU</a><!-- m -->

You shows a 'wonders' of logikal thinking.....
Nobody tell that russian journalist are honest. You as usuall nothing read. Maybe I should write in Russian???
And your link is ambivalent.... Maybe this journalist is very frightened and every distant shots turned him in panic????

Logical question.. :haha
There are shots, and war and soldier in the back is sitting calmly? :haha
This is madness!
Madness???
This is GEORGIAA!!!

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Я Грузин, И пусть навеки враг запомнит, Что лишь тогда встаем мы на колени, когда целуем Грузинский флаг...
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#90
:mdr :mdr :mdr I watched this footage also. Shame on you Russian media!
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#91
Giovanne could be right. The shot that was heard might not be from the war. It might be a training or something. The soldier behind him probably was just indifferent since there was nothing serious there.
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#92
After some weeks in the center of military operations, soldiers are used to such noise. 8-)
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#93
Nicholas Wrote:After some weeks in the center of military operations, soldiers are used to such noise. 8-)
thank you, that's what I'm talking about.
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#94
Still it looks like a very artistic news reporter. You don’t just arrive and start broadcasting news reports, there is some time between the moment you arrived, got the camera installed, and all the satellite equipment running. So there is still enough time to become comfortable to such noises. :garde
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#95
Poland should think twice. Now poland is one of the primiry targets. The more states in Nato - the more targets for Russian missiles. Who need it? USA is cunning, they don't want war on their territory, they plan to fight on Europe territory. In case of WW3 USA will figth with Russia, but fire is supposed to be on the Europe soil, including Poland. Poland, Georgia etc. - USA need them as future battleground only.
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#96
Verb Wrote:Poland should think twice. Now poland is one of the primiry targets. The more states in Nato - the more targets for Russian missiles. Who need it? USA is cunning, they don't want war on their territory, they plan to fight on Europe territory. In case of WW3 USA will figth with Russia, but fire is supposed to be on the Europe soil, including Poland. Poland, Georgia etc. - USA need them as future battleground only.
wright you are. BUT... USA need russian neigbour contries not only as battleground. USA establishment need east-european people to die in Russia for oil and gas for America and Great Britain.
All i want, all i dream about is europeans start thinking by their own and regards media critically. Russia have just started to scramble out it's economic and political crisis. All russia want is stability in international relations. Stability and absence of double standarts. And know Russia is surrounded by politically agressive pro-american regimes who have come to power by mean of revolutions sponsored by CIA. They permanently blame russia in existing and (mostly) invented (fictional) sins. They block any attempts of Russia and EU build the bridge of friendship. The situation is the same as were in 1918 when russia was attacked from Finland to Far East. American rockets are in Poland and Czech republic. Do you belive this rockets are against of Iran? There are no russian rockets in Mexica - there are american rockets on russian bourder. So who is agressor? USA knew that russia will not let it's citizenry die in S.Osetia. But they still ordered Saakashvili to start conflict. More over they send their weapon and miliary specialists in Georgia. So what is going on in the europe? To my appinion - USA and Great Britain make preparements to the WW3.
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#97
The Awakening?? Russia is always awake!!
We know what americans (I don't mean all Americans^ I know that there're many good people there, I mean Republican government) want to do. We know why they wanna see their rockets in Poland - they say that this is just the defence from Iran - but it's not true: they want to fright Russia. But Russia know it! If America will lie - we will not beleive them, cos we're right. I'm sure, they don't want see our rockets near their country, and so we don't want Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia, Poland, other countries that WE_HAD_FREED_FROM_FASCISTS to be against us... Why do americans do so? They say they want peace, but they do everything for war! Americans, why do you believe Bush? Europeans, why do you fear America!?
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#98
Why would USA need to start a war with Russia?
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#99
RusNeko Wrote:we don't want Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia, Poland, other countries that WE_HAD_FREED_FROM_FASCISTS to be against us...

You took away their independence. You installed another tyranny instead, much longer: the Soviet rule from 1945 to 1990-91. Ask any non-Russian older person there. For many of them, fighting together with the Germans against the Soviet troops was a much better option. Not for Jews, but for others, who really did not want communist dictatorship to invade their country.

As for Poland: a rebellion grew in Warsaw in 1944 and was first quite successful. The rebels wanted to install a Polish government in the city before the Red Army antered the city. The Soviet troops were very close to Warsaw, on the other side of the river! They could have helped the Poles to be freed from fascists. Instead, they did nothing! They just stayed on their side of the river and let the Germans massacre the Jews. Clearly, they did not want any Polish people to free themselves, it was against their interest to have Polish heroes, they wanted to enter Warsaw themselves as "liberators".

In the countries freed from Nazists by Western allies, democracy was reinstalled. But in the countries "freed" by the Red Army, communist dictator regimes were installed, against the will of the majority of the people there. You can then wonder why people there do not like Russian-imposed rule... :roll:

This is one thing I always wonder, while listening to Russian people: do you really think that you "freed" the people in Eastern Europe?! Don't you see the other side?
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Salomo Wrote:As for Poland: a rebellion grew in Warsaw in 1944 and was first quite successful. The rebels wanted to install a Polish government in the city before the Red Army antered the city. The Soviet troops were very close to Warsaw, on the other side of the river! They could have helped the Poles to be freed from fascists. Instead, they did nothing! They just stayed on their side of the river and let the Germans massacre the Jews. Clearly, they did not want any Polish people to free themselves, it was against their interest to have Polish heroes, they wanted to enter Warsaw themselves as "liberators".
My grandma is Pole. She lived on the suburb of Warsaw. All you have wrote here is rubbish. thouthand and thousand soviet people were killed trying to break the german defence and free Warsaw. SU payd a lot of lifes to provide weapon to pole rebels
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