too much of propoganda on this forum!!! or propoganda victims!! This way you will never reach understanding why formerly friendly people like Georgians, Ossetinians, Russians, and others, came to such level of hate. If you really want to understand that and not to be the stupid victims of the respective propoganda, be it Georgian or Russian or any other, then go to <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk">http://www.guardian.co.uk</a><!-- m -->. comment pages. If you cannot think well since you are too involved, go read those who still can think and talk about the complex issues: the British, the Irish, the Parisians, etc. They know better than watching Fox, or SNN, or Sky news (and they never watch Russia Today, since it is simply unavailable there). These chanells are for dunkeys like you. Lucky people who know that. Get a life, and read more, instead of spitting hatred in scribles. This way you can all improve your English too, by the way.
yeah exactly those people ur talking about blamed russia ;-) yeah ur right about russia today but if everyone looking cnn or sky news are dunkys than ur the 1 OF THE 10% OF CLEVER PEOPLE congratulacions
Well Karl they were not scared to commit mass killing but they are scared by our planes, arent they? Do you thing that all thier military forces and infrostructure is in S Osetia? Our peacekeeping forces were and are under fire, so they defend themselves. No weapon is perfect and parhaps some civilian bildings could be hit. That is tragedy of course and no one denies this.
By the way Georgian military destroyed hospital of Tschinvali.
Do you know that Russia tried to persuede Georgia to sign treaty of non aggression with South Osetia and Abchazia, but they were telling that they will never attack thier own territory!
In the night when Georgia invaded South Osetia Russia called emergency meating of UN security council to stop Georgian Invasion but could not do it becouse Georgia was backed by other states. And it was done while civilians and our Peacekeepers were fighting for thier lives against superior Georgian forces! That is why Army is ther. Now we are called aggressors! The same people who started massive bombardment of civilians are now crying for help! And worst part that they have it. They want condamn us for defending lives of inhabbitans of S Osetia and our peacekeepers! They tell they are asking for peace but continue thier attacks against our forces and knowing this lier Saakashvili i am not surprised!
Well. I am personally disgusted by Putin and by most of what's going on here in Russia. But Western cynicism strikes me even more. Half of Georgian budget consists of loans from the US. The country practically lives on American money. Buys not only food and clothing, but weapons, jets &c. from the US. Is this country free? No. Georgia has made an acquisition. It has bought an ideology. But the comfort of using it is coming to an end.
Like some people here, I am thinking of Nino Burjanidze. She is consulting now with the Bush administration. Saakashvili will probably commit suicide in the nearest future. He is crazy enough to further prevent the ceasefire, and Russians will not stop. Which means that Georgians may loose everything.
I have absolutely nothing to say to Russians. They disappointed me with their barbarian, brainwashed and idiotic mentality!!! How can it be right that your troops invaded half of Georgia, killed thousands of civilians, killed BBC reporters and almost killed the French Prime Minister and REFUSED to sign the peace treaty offered by EU??? You people make me SICK!!! :deg
As a matter a fact NOBODY in the world cares about what you think or say... because we don't care about war criminals!! We judge them after the war! So wait for your turn!!
I pray that EU and NATO will start sending troops tomorrow!!! If not tomorrow it will be soon!!! You refused the peace treaty and SAID to the whole world that you'll continue war. And your tyrant( call him so because he's already been president for 8 years and now he's prime minister for another.... century) is talking ONLY about NATO on tv.. not about the people he kills.
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I have absolutely nothing to say to Russians. They disappointed me with their barbarian, brainwashed and idiotic mentality!!! How can it be right that your troops invaded half of Georgia, killed thousands of civilians, killed BBC reporters and almost killed the French Prime Minister and REFUSED to sign the peace treaty offered by EU??? You people make me SICK!!! :deg
Well, first, you'd better think if your disappointment and spluttering means anything at all at the moment to anybody. That's what they call "disproportionate answer", I guess. Obviously, we have different sense of proportions.
Me, I personally don't like Putin. Surely, he's an animal. And surely it'd be better if Russia disappear some day. But, looking at the present state of affairs, if I were you, I would not talk of killing of civilians only by the Russian army. This isn't true. And I would not talk about Russians in general. Anger is a sure sign of the fact that you are scared and weak.
I pray that EU and NATO will start sending troops tomorrow!!! If not tomorrow it will be soon!!! You refused the peace treaty and SAID to the whole world that you'll continue war.
Well, that's a highly questionable statement, given the circumstances. Obviously (at least, I hope so), Russian army is not going to take over Tbilisi. Although Saakashvili himself gave a good handle to this possibility.
So stop talking to us ... if EU is sooo bad and misinformed.. then get out of this forum and join <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.WeKillPeople.com">http://www.WeKillPeople.com</a><!-- m --> for a forum conversation. You'll have more in common with murderers than with EU citizens!!!
This is my decision which forum to choose. But if you are not enjoying it here, you may surely go some place else.
Putin is another Hitler and Russia is acting like Germany as Germany took Chekoslovakia with the same pretex (defense of their citizens) i guess 22 million deaths did not gave the Russian a lesson in history.
We should have taken on Russia at the end of WWII as Gen Patton sugested, friend with the germans and turn the guns east, we would not have all the problems of the last 50 years. Europe should send peace keeping forces to Georgia inmediatly, but they do not have the guts to do it, because they will jeopardize gas and oil as the became so dependent on this Russian shipments, we could send peace keepers, but i do think Europe should take on this one, it is time that the europeans take care of themselves.
And if they don't do it then we should, it is the right thing to do.
To all of you Russian writting here there is a hughe population of your people livin in my state Florida, when is Puting going to send the Russian Army, they will be gladly deal with, and not with candy, we do not like wars, but no one will come to my country telling us that is for the defense of their people.
To all of you proud Russians, we will fight you anywhere, see your hardware is old and decrepid, a war for a year cost a lot of money, witch you are getting from the west, be careful what you wish for, you may just get it.
aranar63 Wrote:Putin is another Hitler and Russia is acting like Germany as Germany took Chekoslovakia with the same pretex (defense of their citizens) i guess 22 million deaths did not gave the Russian a lesson in history.
We should have taken on Russia at the end of WWII as Gen Patton sugested, friend with the germans and turn the guns east, we would not have all the problems of the last 50 years. Europe should send peace keeping forces to Georgia inmediatly, but they do not have the guts to do it, because they will jeopardize gas and oil as the became so dependent on this Russian shipments, we could send peace keepers, but i do think Europe should take on this one, it is time that the europeans take care of themselves.
And if they don't do it then we should, it is the right thing to do.
To all of you Russian writting here there is a hughe population of your people livin in my state Florida, when is Puting going to send the Russian Army, they will be gladly deal with, and not with candy, we do not like wars, but no one will come to my country telling us that is for the defense of their people.
To all of you proud Russians, we will fight you anywhere, see your hardware is old and decrepid, a war for a year cost a lot of money, witch you are getting from the west, be careful what you wish for, you may just get it.
You crazy? Saakashvili is another Hitler! :banghead
hey sea burn, i am crazy, Georgia did not invade Russia, it was the other way around.
You all Big bad Russian taking a smaller oponent, com on they are a lot more Russian living in Miami, what will happend if we start putting them in jail, i bet you that Big bad mother russia won't do nothing , to protect your citizens,ah, a stronger oponent. Putin is Hitler son and Mendedevil Goehring
aranar63 Wrote:hey sea burn, i am crazy, Georgia did not invade Russia, it was the other way around.
You all Big bad Russian taking a smaller oponent, com on they are a lot more Russian living in Miami, what will happend if we start putting them in jail, i bet you that Big bad mother russia won't do nothing , to protect your citizens,ah, a stronger oponent. Putin is Hitler son and Mendedevil Goehring
And who bombed Belgrad? Too Russian or can other "good" guys?
How many it has been killed peace inhabitants of Serbia, you know?
I cannot undrstand why the "old" democracies behave like they do? Georgia started the war against Ossetia breaking the treatys, it broke its own word, Georgian troops attacked and killed "blue helmets" (peacemakers) that were there according to INTERNATIONAL treaty, Georgia destroys the Ossetian cities and villages, Georgian troops kill Ossetian peaceful people with knife cutting their throats, they override them by tanks, they set them on fire alive in the houses, they kidnapp young Ossetian women, and the Europe says it is all OK? The video of burning houses that BBC and CNN are showing to you are not the video of Georgian houses - that are OSSETIAN houses thet were set on fire by GEORGIAN TROOPS!!!!! Your news agencies lie to you!!!!
The world agencies do not tell the significant facts of the war in South Ossetia.
The site is in English and is made by independent people who want to let the world
know the TRUTH. It is up to us to stop the war that was started by Georgia. Please help to spread this address to as much people as you can.
USA's and Europe's double standards everywere! 3,000 osetians killed and a city destroyed (this fact not to be even mentioned by western media!) - a small matter for cynical John McCain's anti-Russian compaign. All done by the hands of Georgian CIA-raised leader. Shame on you, western world! Shame on you!
Caucasus Wrote:I cannot undrstand why the "old" democracies behave like they do? Georgia started the war against Ossetia breaking the treatys, it broke its own word, Georgian troops attacked and killed "blue helmets" (peacemakers) that were there according to INTERNATIONAL treaty, Georgia destroys the Ossetian cities and villages, Georgian troops kill Ossetian peaceful people with knife cutting their throats, they override them by tanks, they set them on fire alive in the houses, they kidnapp young Ossetian women, and the Europe says it is all OK? The video of burning houses that BBC and CNN are showing to you are not the video of Georgian houses - that are OSSETIAN houses thet were set on fire by GEORGIAN TROOPS!!!!! Your news agencies lie to you!!!!
The world agencies do not tell the significant facts of the war in South Ossetia.
The site is in English and is made by independent people who want to let the world
know the TRUTH. It is up to us to stop the war that was started by Georgia. Please help to spread this address to as much people as you can.
Sank you, mans read this truth about Georgian war! Stop the Georgian NAZY mashine!
CNN-deceived people of the world! Please know, that we are defending our brothers. Please note that we are strong when we are fighting for truth. Just note that.
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tushimeomari Wrote:AND AT LAST STOP FIGHTING WITH US IT WILL BREING A GRATE MISFORTUNE FOR YOU WE HADE BEEN FIGHTING WITH "PERSIA" "MONGOLIA" "ROMAN EMPIRE" AND MORE AND MORE BUT WE STILL CONTINUE LIVING ON THIS YEARTH AND WE ARE"NT AFRAID TO LOOK BACK>>>NOW RUSSIA IS HAVING TROUBLE WITH US SO GUESS YOUR FUTURE FOR YOURSELF 8-)
Есть люди, которые перестают испытывать страх, когда их прижимают...есть же люди, которые ради святой цели, не мешающей всем остальным, если конечно остальные все таки достигнуть понимания происходящих событий, научились его не испытывать!
Уважаемый господин будь мудрее и не смотри спектакль, а смотри, как себя ведут его создатели!
aranar63 Wrote:hey sea burn, i am crazy, Georgia did not invade Russia, it was the other way around.
You all Big bad Russian taking a smaller oponent, com on they are a lot more Russian living in Miami, what will happend if we start putting them in jail, i bet you that Big bad mother russia won't do nothing , to protect your citizens,ah, a stronger oponent. Putin is Hitler son and Mendedevil Goehring
I ask myself: is this guy normal? Your rhetoric does not sound Western at all. There are a lot of Georgians here in Russia and no one would even think to do harm to them only because they are Georgians. Well, there are imbeciles in every country, you know. Even, as I see it clearly, in the US.
I do not approve what Putin is doing. He's a dirty pig. But I understand reasons why he is doing it. Besides, 5 years ago I was in Belgrade and visited Kosovo. I talked to people and was terrified. I wonder what I would think if I visited Iraq.
tushimeomari Wrote:listen man Georgia Didn't destroid cxinvali when we were in cxinvali it was all okey with it But WHen Russian troops Started bombing the city and our troops came out i 1 hour there was no building standing...and how can russians talk about killing citizens after what they did in beslan and in the theatre? haa???
Мой уважаемый друг, к сожалению, Вы можете настроит некоторые слои населения против России совершенно не зная проблему! В качестве разъяснения говорю Вам, что Беслан и "театр" подверглись наподению террористов. Собственно, почти так же как и "башни близнецы" в США.
Думайте глубже об этой обстановке на Кавказе и на мировой арене через пару месяцев!
chena Wrote:What is more important, this is not Georgia-South Ossetia or Georgia-Russia war, this is the Russian respond to the world's recognition of Kosovo. They are doing what they've promised: taking South Ossetia and Abkhazia if US and Europe dared to recognize Kosovo. The US and Europe recognized Kosovo and it is Georgia which is paying for their inresponsible decision. That is why US and European countires are responsible for what is going on in Georgia right no
You are mistaken this conflict has nothing to do with it. The Georgian and Ossetian are enemy peole long ago... It started before 1920... Georgia three times tried to genocide Ossetian people in the XX century. They want to get Ossetian land, and they do not want Ossetians live there. "Georgia is for Georgians!!!" - that is their slogan. Some Ossetians changed their names and surnames in a Georgian way - in order to live better. Frankly speaking - for the last several years Georgian peole underwent a severe fascist propaganda.. They believe tha they are the most powerful army in the Caucasus (and if we forget about Russia, they really are) and they tried to behave like USA... Bombing houses of other peole at their wii and believing that nobody can do anything with that...They started the war when the Russian president was on vacation, and prime-minister was out on the Olympic games. They thought - it would help. And then YOUR the so called "free" mass media started saying the LIE about tht it was Russia that attacked Georgia... Did you know that:
1. It was Georgia that started the war and killed peacemakers ?
2. Russia fist asked UNO to stop Georgia?
3. Georgian army had the task to kill every Ossetian or make Ossetian run away from Ossetia?
4. That only TWO days after the significant Russian troops entered South Ossetia?
5. That Georgian president constatly lies to journalists ? (he says "We stopped fire and want peace" and in fact Georgian army did not do it!!! They continue to fire even NOW!!! But reporters in Tbilisi without checking information give his word to mass translation..And the world believe that Georgian stopped firing because their president told so!!! Not at all!!!)
6. BBC and CNN are broadcasting LIE!!! They show you the OSSETIAN burning houses and say they are Georgian...
7. There are a lot of american citizen among captured or killed georgian troops. It is very easy to tell who is Georgian and who is Afro-American.
There is no democracy in Georgia. Have you ever think why nearly all his political opponents were killed by someone and investigation gave nothing? USA calls Georgia - a democratic state only because it is rulled by a person who obbey USA in everything. I think that the moment fo starting the war was chosen by USA. USA has the following profits:
1. The war in Ossetia gave some movement up to USD in Forex
2. They have a possibility to test Russia readyness to involve its troops to "Force resolving"
3. They have a possibility to compare ammunition and tactics of NATO (Georgia was equipped on NATO style and was trained for several years by NATO instructors) and Russia in combat
4. The fact that Russia "goes on war" gives additional points to McCain who is known anti-Russian politician and says he will have anti-Russian policy and "teach Russia to behave" if he is elected.
I think that Saakashvili and his people were sucrifised to that tasks. But never the less Saakashvili - is a murderer and fascist.. He understands everything he does...
This is quite good that you, western people, are afraid of us, Russians.
At least, it will not be the same story as it has been in Serbia. Your leadership will talk much, but will be AFRAID to begin a war )) we are still strong anough to defend ourselves and our allies. Just note that...
hey peace keeper, afraid of Russia, please, you and all Russian sob can come and pass by we will be waitinf for you here in sunny Florida, come and defend your people, afraid of you, who are you kidding, and what did you think you guys are, i tell you an paper dragon, come on people there is Russia who has always being afraid of the west, remember what will it happend if the west no longer buy your oil and gas? to your economy, paper tiger, come on little people, This the one who think is big to take on the small, is always the weakest one. Letm me know when are the Russis invading Florida, we will be waiting, ha ha ha, keep dreaming you POS
) is talking ONLY about NATO on tv.. not about the people he kills.