The Gypsies in Italia -‘problema zingari' (‘Gypsy problem')?

[clearman]

Romani camps are to be found all over Italy. They are known as 'nomad camps', implying that their inhabitants are vagrants who do not settle in one place. Most of them are thiefs, burglars, violators, procurers, smugglers. Berlusconi's cabinet wants "to clean" Italy. But many Roma people are European citizens. In fact the Gypsy problem in Italia results from Italia's policy towards the Gypsies, and not from the "inferiority of their race."

[clearman]

In Romania also the gypsy problem is very hot. Let see a short history about Roma people in this country.
The Romanians in Wallachia and Moldavia – alone in Europe – made the Gypsies their slaves, binding them to the soil. Torn from their nomadic way of life, the Gypsies were forced to put down roots on the land of their masters. Like the black slaves in America, free people were turned into workhorses – albeit rational ones. For centuries they could be bought and sold. Families were torn apart, children separated from their mothers, women from their men folk. Young women were regularly raped by their masters, and the so-called 'crow-scum' was the target of widespread contempt and discrimination. One voivode, or provincial governor, would have them climb trees then shoot them down with arrows. Hunting crows, he called it. Tied to localities and kept like animals, the Gypsies in the Romanian principalities multiplied faster than anywhere else in Europe. Forced to become sedentary and till the soil, the Gypsies forgot their traditional occupations. They were now no longer boiler makers, goldsmiths, minstrels, bear trainers, silversmiths, etc. Like all slaves they became lazy, indolent farm laborers. They became cowardly, garrulous, drunken and quarrelsome, filled with vice and infirmity. This is the eternal lot of all slaves throughout the world. The hot-blooded youths rebelled against this state of things, stealing horses, robbing, counterfeiting, raping and murdering. The young Romanian serfs acted no differently: they joined the Hajduci and became highwaymen.
In the wake of 1848, enthusiasm gripped the new, pro-Western Romanian elite. Not for the first time, philanthropy paved the way for horrendous catastrophe. Assembled before the estates of hundreds of enlightened boyars, the Gypsy slaves were told: "Brothers, you are free! Go where your feet take you."
This "slave liberation," without the slightest logistical or psychological preparation, wreaked unthinkable havoc. Hundreds of thousands of Gypsies were suddenly free to die of hunger. With no money, clothing or livelihood, without a belief or a culture – with nothing but their naked humanity, they soon populated the prisons en masse. No one knows how many perished at the time from so much freedom, or how many have died until today as a result.

[sasha]

Italy should be carefull about gypsies because of WW2. Italy, Germany and Japan must be more carefull about similar issues then rest of the world.
That is my opinion, maybe I am wrong.

[Faw_Peter]

Gypsies are everywhere, personally I don't like them. It's a very noisy nation

[clearman]

Nobody loves gypsy! What should be the solutions of European countries to stop their nomadic way of life, also the criminality?

[Jfish]

Nobody loves gypsy! What should be the solutions of European countries to stop their nomadic way of life, also the criminality?

What is wrong with their nomadic way of life?
Italy should just allocate special places where Gypsies can settle for their stay.

[clearman]

They don't work in any case, how they can leave with no steal and make no burglary and no prostitution and no drugs... :quoi They are noisy and dirty! weat

[Faw_Peter]

I don't think giving a place for their stay is a solution, since their traditions involves travelling...

[clearman]

The gypsy kids begging on the streets and sniffing glue … :oops:
In Italy are 160,000 gypsies -70,000 zingari (Italian gypsy) and 90,000 from Balkans most of them Romanian gypsies

[fim]

In Romania also the gypsy problem is very hot. Let see a short history about Roma people in this country.
The Romanians in Wallachia and Moldavia – alone in Europe – made the Gypsies their slaves, binding them to the soil. Torn from their nomadic way of life, the Gypsies were forced to put down roots on the land of their masters. Like the black slaves in America, free people were turned into workhorses – albeit rational ones. For centuries they could be bought and sold. Families were torn apart, children separated from their mothers, women from their men folk. Young women were regularly raped by their masters, and the so-called 'crow-scum' was the target of widespread contempt and discrimination. One voivode, or provincial governor, would have them climb trees then shoot them down with arrows. Hunting crows, he called it. Tied to localities and kept like animals, the Gypsies in the Romanian principalities multiplied faster than anywhere else in Europe. Forced to become sedentary and till the soil, the Gypsies forgot their traditional occupations. They were now no longer boiler makers, goldsmiths, minstrels, bear trainers, silversmiths, etc. Like all slaves they became lazy, indolent farm laborers. They became cowardly, garrulous, drunken and quarrelsome, filled with vice and infirmity. This is the eternal lot of all slaves throughout the world. The hot-blooded youths rebelled against this state of things, stealing horses, robbing, counterfeiting, raping and murdering. The young Romanian serfs acted no differently: they joined the Hajduci and became highwaymen.
In the wake of 1848, enthusiasm gripped the new, pro-Western Romanian elite. Not for the first time, philanthropy paved the way for horrendous catastrophe. Assembled before the estates of hundreds of enlightened boyars, the Gypsy slaves were told: "Brothers, you are free! Go where your feet take you."
This "slave liberation," without the slightest logistical or psychological preparation, wreaked unthinkable havoc. Hundreds of thousands of Gypsies were suddenly free to die of hunger. With no money, clothing or livelihood, without a belief or a culture – with nothing but their naked humanity, they soon populated the prisons en masse. No one knows how many perished at the time from so much freedom, or how many have died until today as a result.

Yeah really, that's right, who knows how menu gypsie have come to serbia and beyng "intergrated" mixed blod in meriages for extending serb population so in the future they rush in naghbourin countryes with similar tradition, murder, stilling, burgling, rap an burn wot they cant take with them, just like in Kosova-Republik the serbs did juring the wars!
Just curious, I wonder they did't seek gypsie-republik are enclave in italy!
I mean this way they come to Kosova to, but now they seek building enclaves, and maybe kind of serbska-republika are Gud knows whot...! :|

[clearman]

I’m against the term “Rom” or “Roma”, because they are not originals from the city of Rome, they are not the inheritors of the Roman empire. They are not even Rumanians, a brave people from Balkans, they are only gypsies, zingari, gitanes, gitanos, zigeuner, tsiganes, etc,…a nomadic people from Punjab (north-western India).
As the Americans slaves, the gypsy from Romania was released in the past without help and support from the authorities. You can see the result today! I’ve heard that the communist regime tried to settle them, built houses for them, made them papers, gave them rights, jobs,… but after 90’s most of them became nomads, sold their houses and fled over Italy and others Western countries. They went back in Romania with dirty money and built luxurious Disneyland’s palaces with towers like Albanians from Europe did in Kosovo. Look at this video and see the similarities between gypsies and kosovars:
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You are so foul….Fim! If they established enclaves in Italy, be sure they don’t ask the independence from their adoptive country like you did. They are nomad people spread everywhere in Europe.
What do you want to tell us… about the Serbs and their gypsy wives to enlarge the population in Serbia? Nonsense…Bla bla
In kosovo they have problems too:
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We must integrate gypsies in our civilization in some way (give them school, medicine, hospital, specific jobs, etc) because they are humans, not animals. And police have to be careful and stop the criminality. It’s a very difficult process for all European countries. Do you propose “decontamination”? All gypsies must die because they are an inferior race than you? I forgot you are …Illyrians. You act like Camorra and tifosi from Italy! RACIST AND FASCIST YOU ARE! Shame on you!

[fim]

You can't say a damn about Kosovars, becausse the kosovar-Albanians was the first nation in the worlld to give to cigojna(roma) scull and education, even before the serbian invasion in kosova provoking the dirty war!
Serbs instantly and systematicly was arming cigojna as a provokativ paramilitar anti-albanian in kosova juring the war.
Even Albanians have social-human opinion about cigojna and newer made any represion against them,
even if we want, we coulld't do that because we was under represion from brutal serb-regim anyway,
but if we take one other example from our reall brothers Albania, they have fev cigojna and they were
long time a go intergrated among thier population as a standard civilians!
We know and we had a experience with them, that they betrate us any time the enemy have shown it self at the gate! :deg :evil

[sasha]

I like gypsy and their sence of freedom. :mrgreen:
I do not like criminals of any nation. :x
I especially do not like nationalists, rasists and fashists of any nationality. They make me sick and are worst than criminals. They push gypsys to be poor and to have no choice. If anybody must be removed from world its them ! :fi

[sasha]

Nativistic point of view isn't scientific. There are no organic connection betwean nationality and behaviour of person. It is just social and psychological connection. You all are still living in dark ages.

[clearman]

I’m crazy about Brego and Kusturica’s movies. This is my Balkans world. But the reality is different. Special, for you sasha and for other music lovers-few gypsy songs. Enjoy! :lol:

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[sasha]

I do not like Gypsy, Romanian, Serbian, Albanian or any folk music. I just do not like it (I do not hate it), but I love people. Every one is the novel wich is better than any novel that won the nobel price. Even fim is a human which can be good and understanding, but it can't be tolerated for him to insult and hate other people.

[roki]

I do not like Gypsy, Romanian, Serbian, Albanian or any folk music. I just do not like it (I do not hate it), but I love people. Every one is the novel wich is better than any won the nobel price. Even fim is a human which can be good and understanding, but it can't be tolerated for him to insult and hate other people.

I don't agry with you..., you have insult your selfs with your nasty crimes and by supporting your own war criminals as a radical heroes for your wishes. :x

[ser_toma]

I don't agry with you..., you have insult your selfs with your nasty crimes and by supporting your own war criminals as a radical heroes for your wishes. :x

roki, where are you from? I have feel that all your knowledge about this subject is from your media, and I also have feel that those medias are censored

[roki]

Jeg kommer fra Danmark din lile lort, ved skal du bruge til!

[clearman]

The EU parliament discuss the gypsy problem in Italy, they are concerned about the Italian events and they express disapproval of this kind of reactions against a minority with european citizenship. Italy have to be vigilant today because in the past they had a fascist regime.

[Terry]

evryone is so smart here, but tell me, has anybody ever been hurt by a Gypsy? Why are you so angry on them people?

[Benn]

you haven't yet been cheated by them, oh Terry you are lucky!

[clearman]

Terry, do you love the "indian" music? Do you love the gypsy kids begging in front of the church? Do you like to be attacked in the subway by gypsy bandits? Do you like to live surrounded by burglars, smugglers, drug dealers, procurers...? :deg
We must stop the criminality and help gypsy people to live in our cities with us....

[Terry]

not a Gypsy ever "attacked me in a subway" :lol:

[clearman]

maybe you are right.