Ivan Wrote:Ukrainian officials said Gazprom had "deliberately" sent the gas by a route that would have meant switching off gas to Ukrainian consumers in the east of the country. Instead of supplying gas via the traditional route, through Ukraine's Belgorod and Rostov region, it had been sent on a bypass route which would paralyse supplies to the towns of Donetsk and Luhansk. "This is just provocation against Ukraine," said Bohdan Sokolovsky, Ukraine's commissioner for energy security.
Ukraine's president, Viktor Yushchenko, went further. His office compared Russia's actions to those of the Nazis during the wartime siege of Leningrad. Andrei Kislinksy, deputy head of Ukraine's presidential secretariat, said the gas war "increasingly resembles the blockade of Leningrad after the failure of the blitzkrieg" and added that its primary purpose seemed to be about making Yushchenko step down from office.
The question is how long Mr.Putin is going to hold the Europeans hostages of his imperialistic policy?
Ivan, read the first line of the article attentively. I t clearly says who blocks the transit pipelines. The "bypass" route was also "traditional" and ceased to be one only in this crisis. Besides, it is twice as wide compared to other "tradittional pipelines". And finally, if you look at the map you will see that this is the shortes route to the Balkans hit by the crisis most. Just use your brain if you have any at all!
Quote:"We believed yesterday that the door for Russian gas was open but again it's been blocked by the Ukrainians," said Gazprom's deputy chairman, Alexander Medvedev. "It looks like … they are dancing to the music which is being orchestrated not in Kiev but outside the country."
BK Wrote:you need to diversify your information sources as much as Europe needs to diversify its energy sources. Here is a relevant comment from the European EUObserver:
"... sympathy remains for Kiev in the EU capital after the commission's gas monitors in Russia and Ukraine reported on Tuesday that Gazprom's choice of transit route to resume EU supplies was not the best possible. [/color]
Perhaps it is you Europeans, and particularly Britts, who need to diversify their information sources. You irrationally believe that Russia is evil and the rest basically doesn't matter much. "If the facts are against our point of view - then it's worse for the facts" © J. Stalin This 100% applies to you.
The only way to teach you lessons is to make you resolve this ukrainian crisis on your own... or freeze, whatever you choose!
You all guys are arguing about nonsense. Everyone knows who creates the gas crisis, but the points is Europe afraid of Russia. European bureaucrats did nothing to punish Putin's regime for the Georgian War, they punish Ukraine instead shutting the door to NATO and EU. Russia is aware of it. Gazprom uses its gas as the political weapon but EU can't say about it aloud because of its huge dependency of Russian gas. Ukraine is a weak country, therefore it can't afford fighting against Europe but Russia can. Moreover, EU politicians even can't report the thing which Russians called 'stealing of gas', actually is the technological gas which is used for pumping the gas to European consumers, it is impossible to drive the gas without it.
I'm very surprised why EU can't solve the problem. It can buy the technological gas from Russia which costs no more than 1.5 billion euros a year and at the same time wastes huge amount of money (hundreds of billions euro) for its banking system. Loses of European countries have already exceed (and they are increasing rapidly) the value of the technological gas due to the gas crisis. If EU don't want to pay it should appoint a round table meeting of all involved countries and EU authority in Bruxelles (or elsewhere in Europe but not on the Russian territory) to find a solution and prevent similar situations in the future.
BK Wrote:Did i understood you correctly that you suggest EU that buys gas from Russia to sell it to Ukraine at "right" price 
. Well i want to watch that . Besides it is nice solution buy gas and than offer it to Ukraine i do not think our government would care who pays. Or you have other things in head to assure Ukraine gas supplies? . Becouse your following sentence makes no sense at all.
Yes, I am suggesting that Europe keep its monitors here and replace the corrupt RosUkrgasprom intermediary that is used by Russia to pay off corrupt Ukrainian and Russian politicians. If Russia STILL refuses to open all the lines then Europe will know who the real liar is. And Russia will be in even more serious economic trouble than it is now. [/quote]
And who insisted on creation of RUE at certain point in the past? Wasn't that Mr. USchenko? If you can't refresh your memory refer to Mrs. Tymo. She knows for sure and even (oh my God!) voiced it out in public (in the Ukrainian parliament).
As to the monitors, I myself heard them in the Gazprom Dispatch Center (not on TV) blaiming the Ukraine (let me write it in the old manner). Masybe, as usual they were "wrong monitors" as opposed to yours whose opinions anonymously published in your "free" press.
Guest Wrote:sektor_Gaza Wrote:To dear BK
ON Russian TV, I watched today EU monitors' interview where they straightly blame Ukraine in blocking gas supply. But it is so strange that European press do not bother themselves to show their comments released yesterday.
These guys were sent by EU and nobody listening them in the West ! Strange!
And it explains many things! you make your conclusions on the news you have seen on Russian TV? Hmmmm....It is useless to debate now as Mr. Putin strongly controls what must be shown, especially on the chanels broadcasting to EU)) We can watch Ukrainian news, Russian, European and US...so we are able to compare different points of view and make our own conclusions. Russian channels are censored very very much!But, again, it's your opinion...time will show who is right...anyway I do not want this conflict among officials be a reason of hate between people...((
Certainly! Are your trying to say that you're basing your precious opinion on other sources than your TV and papers? Or rather these are "right sources", while our sources are definitely wrong, as "Mr. Putin strongly controls..." and bla-bla-bla.
Believe it or not we can also watch European, Ukrainian etc. news as well.
"Russian channels are censored" - that implies European ones are not. I may disappoint you but they are!
Will you stop posting cliches and put intstead though a shadow of thinking after all!
....I´m from Slovakia it is also a country which is very depent on russia gas. After last eight days, I lose my good opinion for a whole European Union. EU do nothing to help us only a empty words,only our Czech brothers send us some gas,thank. What I will do if the russia an ukraine don´t finish this problem. We are economic tiger of Europe with a grow of 10% GNP but now we lose every day 100 milion Euro because our economy is going only for 60%,why?because we don´t have enough gas for our factories. Who give us the money which we now lose? EU,ukraine-mafia,or russia. I don´t know but we have suplies only for 18 days. Than become blackout...So thank you Europe,ukraine,russia and after 18 days become a middleage for middle Europe,especially Slovakia
Jason Wrote:Eugeny Wrote:Ivan Wrote:Ukrainian officials said Gazprom had "deliberately" sent the gas by a route that would have meant switching off gas to Ukrainian consumers in the east of the country. Instead of supplying gas via the traditional route, through Ukraine's Belgorod and Rostov region, it had been sent on a bypass route which would paralyse supplies to the towns of Donetsk and Luhansk. "This is just provocation against Ukraine," said Bohdan Sokolovsky, Ukraine's commissioner for energy security.
Ukraine's president, Viktor Yushchenko, went further. His office compared Russia's actions to those of the Nazis during the wartime siege of Leningrad. Andrei Kislinksy, deputy head of Ukraine's presidential secretariat, said the gas war "increasingly resembles the blockade of Leningrad after the failure of the blitzkrieg" and added that its primary purpose seemed to be about making Yushchenko step down from office.
The question is how long Mr.Putin is going to hold the Europeans hostages of his imperialistic policy?
How long Belgorod and Rostov are Ukraine's regions? Did I miss something? Did you seen the map? E.g.: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.eegas.com/ukr_010609e.htm">http://www.eegas.com/ukr_010609e.htm</a><!-- m -->. Eastern Europeans are hostages of Ukrainian dumbocrathy.
Dear Eugeny,
First, it was a quote from an article from The Guardian. The same article that the first post refers to.
Second, you are very rude. You must be a Russian, aren't you?
Dear Jason,
If someone points to obvious geographical errors made by a supposedly reputable newspaper is it being "rude" in your opinion? And also, you presumed that Eugeny is rude because he is Russian didn't you? That implies that ALL Russians ARE RUDE by definition. Isn't such presumption a chauvinist xenophobia?
Please answer.
Quote:Everyone knows who creates the gas crisis, but the points is Europe afraid of Russia. European bureaucrats did nothing to punish Putin's regime for the Georgian War, they punish Ukraine instead shutting the door to NATO and EU. Russia is aware of it.
Typical nonsense from Brainwashed ones. EU and USA pressed Georgia to start the war and were punished. As it said: One wins whose side the truth is! Russian army so thankful to USA for all captured military equipment.
Quote:I'm very surprised why EU can't solve the problem. It can buy the technological gas from Russia
Dont be surprised as no EU member wants to spend millions of $ to subsidize Ukrainian Naftogaz. It is the Transit Country's responsibility to pay for technical gas as they are paid for using transit routes. If Ukraine wants to be paid transit fee in market price it is okay. Gazprom has no objections.
Quote: If EU don't want to pay it should appoint a round table meeting of all involved countries and EU authority in Bruxelles (or elsewhere in Europe but not on the Russian territory) to find a solution
See fascism and nationalism are alive in EU. Do you have anything against Russians? You'd better say: "I hate Russia so hard, and wish it would be isolated. "
Be more pragmatic, Man. See at the root.
Come on, guys!
It may just be the bold play on the part of Yulia Timoshenko who seeks (or was asked to seek and willingly acquiesced) to supplant Yuschenko. Look at it this way: her nickname at the dawn of her political career was Gas Princess. She rode into the courtyard of power in Ukraine as the champion in gas talks with Russia in the nineties. Everybody remembers her strolling into Kremlin in high-heeled jackboots
lurp
So what now? Her tactic is to prolong the crisis by finding pretexts (some addenda to agreements, summits etc) just to buy time. Why buy time? Simple! EU freezes, Russia loses export money, tension within Ukraine itself mounts. Cold Sofia launches mini-rebellions against their politicians. Ukraina may want to do the same soon. Timoshenko prudently began to disentangle from the failed orange coalition and continues to distance herself from Yuschenko. Yuschenko's popularity is hardly above zero now, and he is myopic enough to let Timoshenko emerge nation's champion again. And presidential elections in Ukraine loom just ahead. Timoshenko wants to safely outrun Yanukovich and enlist all possible support from EU and USA (she'll team up with anybody to further her own private agenda). Russia will help automatically, since it is in Russian interests to start pumping gas asap and get export money. So mark my word: Timoshenko and Putin will reach an agreement (the later the better for her) that'll make everybody happy or half-happy. As a result, Timoshenko's Ukrainian rating will soar (conveniently in view of oncoming elections) :lol: As for poor freezing people in Ukraine and EU, enraged Russian rhetoric - Yulia Timoshenko doesn't care, as a true politician. If anything, she wants the issue to become more exacerbated and hot. Then she plans to cash in on it. Clever Yulia
uper
kosmo23 Wrote:....I´m from Slovakia it is also a country which is very depent on russia gas. After last eight days, I lose my good opinion for a whole European Union. EU do nothing to help us only a empty words,only our Czech brothers send us some gas,thank. What I will do if the russia an ukraine don´t finish this problem. We are economic tiger of Europe with a grow of 10% GNP but now we lose every day 100 milion Euro because our economy is going only for 60%,why?because we don´t have enough gas for our factories. Who give us the money which we now lose? EU,ukraine-mafia,or russia. I don´t know but we have suplies only for 18 days. Than become blackout...So thank you Europe,ukraine,russia and after 18 days become a middleage for middle Europe,especially Slovakia
Dear Slovakian friend!
Imagine the situation:
You like many other families live on the other bank of the river. You have paid to me, say, for milk that I produce. I am supposed to deliver certian amount of milk to you, but I have no boat. The boatman used to deliver the milk to your bank for a certain pay. Now, he changed. the new boatman says he wants some milk for free on top of the fee he got already. I don't want to give him anything for free. But he became greedy and he wants more and more. He is blackmailing me by non-delivery, refuses to discuss anything and cries out to your bank: "I am poor please have pity protect me from the rich bastard from the other bank"
What can we do in such situation? Only unite our efforts and make the villaine fulfill his obligations by force. What we are having instead? Citizens from the other bank keep sayng: "it's not our problem - it's the problem of the milkman and the boatman." Is it the right position? No in my opinion as it leads to a deadlock which we are having now. In a longer term we can build bridges across the river to avoid "services of the boatman" but this is the future, we need to resolve the problem now.
What would you do if you were a "milkman"?
sektor_Gaza Wrote:Quote:"We believed yesterday that the door for Russian gas was open but again it's been blocked by the Ukrainians," said Gazprom's deputy chairman, Alexander Medvedev. "It looks like … they are dancing to the music which is being orchestrated not in Kiev but outside the country."
It appears that you need to diversify your information sources just as much as Europe needs to diversify its energy sources. Here is a comment from an EU source neamed the EUobserver:
...sympathy remains for Kiev in the EU capital after the commission's gas monitors in Russia and Ukraine reported on Tuesday that Gazprom's choice of transit route to resume EU supplies was not the best possible.
"To turn off the gas to a country of 45 million people [Ukraine] in the middle of winter is energy blackmail and nothing else," one EU official said, with Ukrainian companies also forced to cut production as stocks dwindle.
The western press has dismissed Russia's paranoid claims about U.S. manipulation of the situation as completely without foundation, unreal, absurd, bizzare and ominously reminiscent of Russians irrational rhetoric of the cold war.
According to all of the international indexes, Russia is economically and socially more of a third world country than a civilized industrialised nation. Russia has not earned the right to be on the G8, the Security Counsel or the board of any other responsible international body. It is there because it has an advanced military and nuclear capacity --a capacity that it has paid for by letting most of its population live in poverty. Do the research.
Europe is being very careful in its reactions to Putin --you have to be careful when you threatened with being frozen to death by a person who is increasingly seen to be a paranoid meglomaniac armed with nuclear missles.
BK Wrote:sektor_Gaza Wrote:Quote:"We believed yesterday that the door for Russian gas was open but again it's been blocked by the Ukrainians," said Gazprom's deputy chairman, Alexander Medvedev. "It looks like … they are dancing to the music which is being orchestrated not in Kiev but outside the country."
It appears that you need to diversify your information sources just as much as Europe needs to diversify its energy sources. Here is a comment from an EU source neamed the EUobserver:
...sympathy remains for Kiev in the EU capital after the commission's gas monitors in Russia and Ukraine reported on Tuesday that Gazprom's choice of transit route to resume EU supplies was not the best possible.
"To turn off the gas to a country of 45 million people [Ukraine] in the middle of winter is energy blackmail and nothing else," one EU official said, with Ukrainian companies also forced to cut production as stocks dwindle.
The western press has dismissed Russia's paranoid claims about U.S. manipulation of the situation as completely without foundation, unreal, absurd, bizzare and ominously reminiscent of Russians irrational rhetoric of the cold war.
According to all of the international indexes, Russia is economically and socially more of a third world country than a civilized industrialised nation. Russia has not earned the right to be on the G8, the Security Counsel or the board of any other responsible international body. It is there because it has an advanced military and nuclear capacity --a capacity that it has paid for by letting most of its population live in poverty. Do the research.
Europe is being very careful in its reactions to Putin --you have to be careful when you threatened with being frozen to death by a person who is increasingly seen to be a paranoid meglomaniac armed with nuclear missles.
BK, dear you seem to be posting identical cliche messages all over the forum...
Moskal Wrote:BK, dear you seem to be posting identical cliche messages all over the forum...
Becouse everyone has to know what "one EU official said".
Parhaps he was too ashamed to spread such lies that desided not to reveal his name? Or parhaps he just fears paranoid megalomaniac with nuclear weapons
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Quote:"To turn off the gas to a country of 45 million people [Ukraine] in the middle of winter is energy blackmail and nothing else," one EU official said
Who is that official? George's Best-To-Hate-Russian-Development Friend, Ms Condoliza?
BK Wrote:K I wish it were so simple. How can you pay when the price keeps changing?
Easily, my friend. Have you heard about contracs at all? This is usual civilized practice. The previous Gazprom-Naftogaz contract expired on Dec 31, 2008, the new contract may (and will!) provide for a new price! Haven't you seen prices rising?
BK Wrote:Different countries pay different amounts. Russia now wants $450 from Ukraine --its largest customer, but the average aggregate price of gas for Europe is under $300 and the forecast price for 2009 is under $250.
Different countries have different conditions and agree on different terms. Belorus receives much cheaper gas, but 50% stake of their transit system was exchanged to Gazprom. This is a for of payment, isn't it? Strategically favourite for Gazprom, that explaines the cheap gas price.
European countries pay $400 + and the gas price calculation is well behind oil prices. Besides Gazprom buys Central Asian gas @ 300+, why should it sell cheaper to anyone, especially to an hostile country, which the Ukraine apparantly is.
BK Wrote:Ukraine paid its bills but then Russia claimed another 600,000 in disputed fines and penalties
Standard business practice is to pay for any claimed penalties and fines and only after that to file a lawsuit if you feel they were unjustified. Correct me, if I', wrong.
BK Wrote:Meanwhile, the price that Russia is paying for gas transit is one haf to one third of the transit prices in Europe and that price is fixed until 2011.
Precisely !! No matter how big or low the transit price is. IT WAS AGREED at certain point FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. So, the agreement MUST be fulfilled.
BK Wrote:RosUkrEnergo, a corrupt intermediary 50% owned by Russia and whose profits are used to further corruption in the Ukrainian political system, and RosUkrEnergo sells it to Ukraine for $320.
And who owns the other 50%? Maybe its Firtash? A close ally to who? Maybe, Mr. USchenko and his family? Were there Russian who brought these "corriupt Ukrainian politicians" to power in 2004? Or maybe Russian were opposing these "the most democratic regime ever"?
BK Wrote:or accusing Washington of causing the problem... which is truly bizarre....
The secret Energy Charter WAS signed by the US Govt (C.Rice) and the Ukr. gvt. This is the fact - no matter what you thin or post here. Analysts believe that the Charter is about US protectorate over ukr. gas transport system. If this is true (and this is very much in line with all the orange bastards have done so far), then Russia cannot afford it and will have no other option, but to help this failed state (US term, btw) to quickly disintegrate, I'm afraid.
SiD Wrote:Moskal Wrote:BK, dear you seem to be posting identical cliche messages all over the forum...
Becouse everyone has to know what "one EU official said". Parhaps he was too ashamed to spread such lies that desided not to reveal his name? Or parhaps he just fears paranoid megalomaniac with nuclear weapons .?
Yes, I posted a similar message elsewhere in, not coincidentally, response to similar disinformation from someone with your nick. But it is not a cliche and I have supplied a neutral source for the quote from the EU official which readers are free to verify. EUobserver can be accessed on the internet. You have not replied to the substance, namely, that Europe apparently is not fooled by the propoganda war being raged [sic] by Russia and holds Russia ultimately responsible for the current crisis. And on a closing note SiD, dear, given your 100% approval of the administration' admonition to observe civility in this forum, you might consider adjusting the tone of your rhetoric. All the moreso since you hardly appear sufficiently armed for a battle of wits.
Quote:Dont be surprised as no EU member wants to spend millions of $ to subsidize Ukrainian Naftogaz. It is the Transit Country's responsibility to pay for technical gas as they are paid for using transit routes. If Ukraine wants to be paid transit fee in market price it is okay. Gazprom has no objections.
The current transit fee ($1.7) + the technical gas = about $3.5 of transit fee (which is still far less than the 'market' transit fee in Europe)
Does Gazprom agree?
As Medvedev said: Russia does not need EU's favour, love or sympathy. We need pragmatic, reliable, mutually profitable relations. The main aim for Putin administration is to increase living level of Russians up to EU's one. These people are working hard to develop Russia.
Precisely !! No matter how big or low the transit price is. IT WAS AGREED at certain point FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. So, the agreement MUST be fulfilled.
That is not the way that contract law works and just as Russia repudiated one agreement, Ukraine is free to repudiate this contract and the dispute should be resolved by court. It is not resolved by cutting off gas to Ukraine in the middle of winter including the gas needed for Ukraine to fulfill its transit obligations. (Perhaps you should attend one of my classes on contract law)
And who owns the other 50% [of RusUkrEnergo? Maybe its Firtash? A close ally to who? Maybe, Mr. USchenko and his family? Were there Russian who brought these "corriupt Ukrainian politicians" to power in 2004? Or maybe Russian were opposing these "the most democratic regime ever"?
This is the soft under belly to the dispute. RusUkrEnergo money is a source of corruption in both Russia and Ukraine. It is my hope that RusUkrEnergos presence in Ukraine will end with the current crisis. BK
BK Wrote:or accusing Washington of causing the problem... which is truly bizarre....[/color]
The secret Energy Charter WAS signed by the US Govt (C.Rice) and the Ukr. gvt. This is the fact - no matter what you thin or post here. Analysts believe that the Charter is about US protectorate over ukr. gas transport system. If this is true (and this is very much in line with all the orange bastards have done so far), then Russia cannot afford it and will have no other option, but to help this failed state (US term, btw) to quickly disintegrate, I'm afraid.[/quote]
This is precisely the kind of blind paranoia that fuels misunderstandings. The agreement is not a secret and you can find it on the internet. If there were secret protocols, then they are secret and no one can claim for a fact that they exist or what they contain BUT such agreements have to be approved by the US Senate to have any effect. On the other hand, it is not Russia's business with whom and for what Ukraine negotiates. Ukraine wants to join the EU. That should be Ukraines right.
I think in the long run Russia and Ukraine will teach each other a lesson that the banks will never forget.
I am from the west. If both parties are prepared to go all the way, it has to be due to outside influences. The west is prepared to confront Russia in this recession, the impact is less on their economy's to teach it a lesson, before demand really picks up again, they need to keep prices low. Ukraine will get all the help it needs to keep going for another 2 years, without Russian Gas, after that they have to by Gas what ever the price. Russia wants to raise prices to the west, they will hold out and play the game for as long as it takes to get it, power politics. Ukraine brought it on itself sucking up to the US. The benefits that come out of that is always war and fighting. Look at Georgia, Poland is now a target for Nuclear Missiles, their new friends have made their lives unsafe.
The real looser in all of this is myself. I have Gas central heating, and I don't know any one from Ukraine to blame for this problem.
Magnus Lundberg Wrote:You all guys are arguing about nonsense. Everyone knows who creates the gas crisis, but the points is Europe afraid of Russia. European bureaucrats did nothing to punish Putin's regime for the Georgian War, they punish Ukraine instead shutting the door to NATO and EU. Russia is aware of it. Gazprom uses its gas as the political weapon but EU can't say about it aloud because of its huge dependency of Russian gas. Ukraine is a weak country, therefore it can't afford fighting against Europe but Russia can. Moreover, EU politicians even can't report the thing which Russians called 'stealing of gas', actually is the technological gas which is used for pumping the gas to European consumers, it is impossible to drive the gas without it.
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Dear Magnus,
How can you be so sure to totally acquit Ukraine and want to lay blame to Russia? I guess both parties are at fault here, coz there's always a money-fleecing scheme behind. Russian and Ukraine use intermediary in selling / buying of gas for Ukraine: half-Russian owned, half-Ukrainian owned. Russians get "otkat" (gratitude bonus) on each cubic ton of gas they supply, Ukranians get their share from their own state budgets.
Let's imagine Sweden buys gas from Russia at 400 USD. There's a direct contract between Gazprom and some Swedish company (possibly state-owned, like Gazprom itself). What if there's an intermediary firm that buys up gas at 380 USD and sells it to Sweden at 420 USD? Nobody would argue since none of the end-consumers know about its existence. On the other hand, the difference 40USD (420-380) will make the gross profit of this intermediary. Do you know how profitable this intermediary will be? Very! What happens to the money? They go to the company owners. If this intermediary is equally owned by Sweden and Russia, none can plead ignorance, right? :lol: Impossible for Sweden, I'm sure, and I do respect the honesty. But even hypothetically, is it not strange that the country who eventually buys gas at 420 USD (end price) will quarrel over a new price of 390USD (instead of 380USD)? It means somebody will make only 30USD instead of 40USD. Hence the dispute. It's several people on the top who get their share, and if they're to keep it, they MUST reach agreements. In this case, Ukrainian thieves want more money than Russian ones. In pursuit of that, they are ready to create international conflicts and lose the money in the interim altogether, jeopardizing the whole scheme. So please, be a bit realistic, and don't make Russian politicians look worse than Ukrainian. At least, Russians have enough common sense, even at top-thief-level, give them that :roll:
Quote:The current transit fee ($1.7) + the technical gas = about $3.5 of transit fee (which is still far less than the 'market' transit fee in Europe)
Does Gazprom agree?
Alexey Miller, Gazprom chairman, clearly said: We are ready to pay Ukraine for transit just like we pay other EU members for transit, because Ukraine is not only transit route!
Exactly Gasprom Agrees!
It is so clear that it is in Gasprom's priority to trade gas rather than suspend delivery in the time of financial crisis. Gasprom needs dollars from EU rather than useless rhetoric.
Ukraine is in conflict to back US plans to build Nabukko Pipeline. But gas from Nabukko will cost EU much higher price than it pay for Russian Gas. US gas corporations are eager to undermine Gazprom's authority throught actions of US controlled Ukraine President
I do agree with the comment for an article called
"Peter Lavelle'S BLOG
January 13, 2009, 0:56
Gas War – Winners and Losers"
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Quote:Bianca SusakJanuary 14, 2009, 20:16
Ukraine is changing story by the minute, and EU is still sitting on their collective fannies, looking up to God to sort it out! First there were tissues of issues before the EU, Ukraine, Russia agreement was signed. At that time, Ukraine assured everyone that they are reliable transit country, etc. Well, the moment Gazprom turned on the gas, the problem was that Russia issued a "condition" to start delivery to Balkans, and that Ukraine cannot do it without disrupting their domestic market....What? Up until that time, Ukraine was convincing everyone that the Ukranian and Transit pipelines are separate, and that Ukraine cannot take European gas. Being confronted by angry Balkan states, Ukraine changes the tune, again. This time, they claim that there is no "technical gas", and no pressure in the system to allow for pumping to Europe. Hmm... Why is the pipeline dry? What happened to the gas that was in it when Ukraine shut off the branches of the pipeline to Europe? And more importantly, is Ukranian Gas company SO grossly incompetent, that they did not KNOW this BEFORE signing the Agreement with Russia and EU? Of course not. They knew it then, and EU should take a leed and start punishing Ukraine. EU must have some leverage over Ukraine, and this is a good time to use it. Ukraine is really now picking the fight with EU, but EU scared of its shadow. It will try to obscure the details, so that the transoceanic partner does not get displeased. EU cannot serve its own interests, and at the same cave in to interests that are diametrically opposed to its prosperity. Ukranian demand for gas to prime the pump, even though contractually their responsibility, is now on the table. It would be good if EU makes an arrangement with Gazprom to guarantee that Ukraine will compensate Gazprom. Ukraine would then take on EU, not keep taking on Russia. However, nothing encouraging is coming from EU. Take for example the earlier statement that both Russia and Ukraine need to give access to control facilities! Shortly later, EU appologized to Russia, as Russia gave access, but not Ukraine. The problem is, the deliberate "mistake" allowed for all the world media to pick up the "equal" blame, and that is what made the news cycle. Later appologies never get the same news impact. This crisis, more then any one before it, must teach Russia the value of media, and the multiprong communication. Even RT is doing poor job (this blog excepted). Looking at RT news, the gas row is just one of the stories among many others. Lost almost to insignificance. This is not the way to do it. No media is "detached". Look at the mainstay media on world economic in London, The Economist and the Financial Times. Story after story, analysis after analyis, most of them with carefully chosen titles and subtitles, and all of them antirussian. From the brazen to the subtle, there is just one message --- it is Russia, what do you expect. Peppered there are also sensationalist "analysis" of the "dire" state of Russian economy, of the unhappy population, of riots. You would think that only Russia has an economic crisis, and the revolution is around the corner! This is often pushing aside the real dire economic news from US, Brittain, and the rest of Europe. Luckily, readers' comments are not letting them get away with it. So, in spite of this concerted push, the reader reactions are mixed. Many readers read right through the objective of poisoning EU-Russia relations. It is time for Europe to "take the green pill", and get out of the Matrix they are living in. The Matrix may create the illusion of giving them what they need, but is controlling every aspect of their lives. Does Europe want to wait until it will no longer have any options left? It will learn then that the designers of Matrix may not care any more how comfortable they are.
Quote:Alexey Miller, Gazprom chairman, clearly said: We are ready to pay Ukraine for transit just like we pay other EU members for transit, because Ukraine is not only transit route!
Exactly Gasprom Agrees!
Why do they (Putin, Gazprom) refuse to give the technical gas then? Were their allegations of gas stealing just a lie in that case?